Big Man Options

[Androslav]

It might sound blasphemous but I think this year we give our guys a chance, develop them and then charge for the chip next year.

I agree with you, it can be an option. But if we fall short in 7 to the bucks or 76ers in conf finales we will still have the doubt that we could do a little thing to change it…

But to me JV is an upgrade over Kanter as he can feed a need with his strenght and BETTER OVERALL DEFENSE. I Don't think I underestimate Kanter, stats are speaking for him offensively. But we Don't need as much this skills as an overall big who can score but also defend…

And for Giannis… He won't win alone against 5 players. Ojeleye has done good things and we can attack him offensively with all our weapon. The Bucks are strong but JV + Theis against the Lopez would be ok to me. Maybe/probably we still loose but we would have done Something to change it…

And I know it's a little machiavelic thinking, but I am almost sure without JV experience, power and paint defense, Grizzs will suck again… If we loose Langford but catch a higher big prospect in next draft or 21's... It would have been a good gamble.

The Griz (13-21) are still bad regardless of JVs impact.
I also never saw any proof of him being a good defensive center. He is slow-footed without great instincts.
Also in his previous stint, in Toronto, his team often played its best when he was on the bench or injured.
Remember those strong Lowry + 4 bench guys lineups.
In the M. Gasol deal, Toronto gave up a pick and a young talent to get the deal done. Gasol was overpaid and 36 at the time, that shows us how much value he had on his aforementioned "good" deal. I think he is a slight overpay even with that neat descending structure on his deal.

Now in Memphis, without any pressure to succeed he is solid, but without any newly added facet in his game.
If he was our longterm solution I'd be fine with assets going away, but he just doesn't strike me as a gamechanger on our team and a keeper to solve our Giannis/Embiid matchups.

[Rikibellevie]

I agree on most of what you say (slow foot, medium level player…) but I still think it isn't a stupid idea… We will probably never now if it was good or not… But he is one of the only guy for whom we Don't have to loose a big asset because of his level (Drummond or Turner who is probably unavalable without an overpay against a rival) or because of the salary (Capela or Adams). This trade has for me 3 advantages : probalby improve our interior sector/ defense, destabilise Memphis an Don't coast much or is a big risk and still tempting smtgh to match up better ag strenght bigs (as Danny said he regreted for last year, I doubt he won't do anything this one) …
And I would choose him without a doubt if he was 3/4 M less in his contract… Nurkic would have been a better option to me (on the same style of player) but with his injurie… I also think Blazers love him (we will se now that Whiteside step up a little) and won't let him go… With our 3 switchables forward and no real PF I Don't think it's stupid to have a fat big in the paint…


The trade you discribe isn't true : First Raptors were ready to overpay to win now and from what I see the trade was just JV, Delon Wright, CJ Miles and a 2d round for M Gasol… Actually their only assets still are JV and a future maybe 45 choice on draft...

And for Memphis there is sucking and SUCKING… Last year we waited all the Sac pick to be on 3-7 range and even when they begun to win people said they would fall down… It didn't happen. And with 7 we could have drafted Hayes or Hachimura who fited maybe better with the team future as Langford (OK both are ore off prospects)
If they continue to win as last moonth, we will again finish with 12-14 and loose maybe interesting interiors like Stewart or Onyekwu or a possibility of an unprotected lottery first…

And last thing with your name, you don't want an east european guy in our team Androslav ? Or maybe you are from Kaliningrad and dislike balt people

[Androslav]

I agree on most of what you say (slow foot, medium level player…) but I still think it isn't a stupid idea… We will probably never now if it was good or not… But he is one of the only guy for whom we Don't have to loose a big asset because of his level (Drumond or Turner who is probably unavalable without an overpay against a rival) or because of the salary (Capela or Adams). This trade has for me 3 advantages : probalby improve our interior sector/ defense, destabilise Memphis an Don't coast much or is a big risk and still tempting smtgh to match up better ag strenght bigs (as Danny said he regreted for last year, I doubt he won't do anything this one) …
And I would choose him without a doubt if he was 3/4 M less in his contract… Nurkic would have been a better option to me (on the same style of player) but with his injurie… I also think Blazers love him (we will se now that Whiteside step up a little) and won't let him go… With our 3 switchables forward and no real PF I Don't think it's stupid to have a fat big in the paint…


The trade you discribe isn't true : First Raptors were ready to overpay to win now and from what I see the trade was just JV, Delon Wright, CJ Miles and a 2d round for M Gasol… Actually their only assets still are JV and a future maybe 45 choice on draft...

And for Memphis there is sucking and SUCKING… Last year we waited all the Sac pick to be on 3-7 range and even when they begun to win people said they would fall down… It didn't happen. And with 7 we could have drafted Hayes or Hachimura who fitted may be better with the team future as Langford (OK both are ore off prospects)
If they continue to win as last month, we will again finish with 12-14 and loose maybe interesting interiors like Stewart or Onyekwu or a possibility of an unprotected lottery first…

And last thing with your name, you don't want an east European guy in our team Androslav? Or maybe you are from Kaliningrad and dislike balt people

There are just 2 countries in the world where basketball is sport number 1. One are the Philippines.
I have enormous respect for the 2nd and probably the biggest basketball country in the world, Lithuania the homeland of our JV.
Even though they haven't produced a special talent for a few decades now.
I'd love to have a homie from my country on Celtics, but Ante "The Antidote" Žižić just wasn't written in the stars for me.
So now Kanter carries that homie moniker.

There is considerable distance between Croatia and Lithuania and our languages have no similarities.
https://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-croatia-to-lithuania

[Rikibellevie]

Yes big respect for Lithuania. With less than 3M inhabitants they produce so much good players at each level… Jasikevicius was a Genius, one of the smartest player in FIBA way at the beginging of 2000's. I was a big fan.

And you Don't have to put a map of Europe for me as I am european and geographic teacher. And not an american one 

[rondofan1255]

The Hawks also expressed trade interest in Spurs center Jakob Poeltl earlier this season, Bleacher Report has learned.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2871435-how-can-league-worst-atlanta-hawks-prove-to-trae-young-hes-not-alone

[footey]

Wonder with their struggles if the Clips would entertain trading Zubak?  He could be a good fit for us at center, or back up.  Sure wish we had drafted him instead of Zizic. 

[SparzWizard]

Celtics should trade for Montrezl Harrell now that Doc Rivers is unhappy with him. A big that the Celtics need

[Surferdad]

With the extensive missed time for Kanter, Poirier and Rob Williams, I can't see DA not making a move before the deadline.  Need a rugged durable center to eat up minutes.  Tacko is apparently not the answer.  Too bad Yante Maten is not a 2-way player.  I know he's undersized at 6'7" but I like what I've seen of him up in Maine.

[saltlover]

Wonder with their struggles if the Clips would entertain trading Zubak?  He could be a good fit for us at center, or back up.  Sure wish we had drafted him instead of Zizic.

Pretty sure he would’ve just been traded to Cleveland instead, so this feels like a wasted wish.

[celticsclay]

Noah is apparently talking to Mavericks. Really wish we took a flier on him.

[seancally]

Celtics should trade for Montrezl Harrell now that Doc Rivers is unhappy with him. A big that the Celtics need

This might deserve it's own thread. He's cheap, apparently available, and good. But he's coming up on free agency too.. which, if anything, would drive his price down because he's been very productive. Not exactly a "big" big but definitely a bruiser who would get good minutes on this team.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Celtics should trade for Montrezl Harrell now that Doc Rivers is unhappy with him. A big that the Celtics need

This might deserve it's own thread. He's cheap, apparently available, and good. But he's coming up on free agency too.. which, if anything, would drive his price down because he's been very productive. Not exactly a "big" big but definitely a bruiser who would get good minutes on this team.

Source on him being unhappy with Harrell?

I like him, but he is not the answer on defense. He disruptive, but not a good defender.

[Jvalin]

Would you guys consider a trade around Hayward and Vucevic? Is it possible that the Magic would consider it?

Why for the Magic:
- Now that Isaac got injured, they need a wing. Hayward would be starting for them over Wes Iwundu/Khem Birch (they both suck).
- Bamba is a top prospect at the C position. By trading Vuc, they free up more minutes for Bamba.

Highly doubt they would do it straight up. I bet they would at least consider it if we included the Memphis pick. Personally speaking, I wouldn't go that far. I would however be willing to include our own pick.

Why for the C's:
Vuc would be a great fit in CBS' system. Reminds me of Horford (on the offensive side of the ball). We could also use Theis at PF, which is his natural position.

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Theis - Vucevic

If you ask me, that's a more balanced starting 5 than the one that we have now.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Would you guys consider a trade around Hayward and Vucevic? Is it possible that the Magic would consider it?

Why for the Magic:
- Now that Isaac got injured, they need a wing. Hayward would be starting for them over Wes Iwundu/Khem Birch (they both suck).
- Bamba is a top prospect at the C position. By trading Vuc, they free up more minutes for Bamba.

Highly doubt they would do it straight up. I bet they would at least consider it if we included the Memphis pick. Personally speaking, I wouldn't go that far. I would however be willing to include our own pick.

Why for the C's:
Vuc would be a great fit in CBS' system. Reminds me of Horford (on the offensive side of the ball). We could also use Theis at PF, which is his natural position.

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Theis - Vucevic

If you ask me, that's a more balanced starting 5 than the one that we have now.

It's definitely more balanced, but I'm not sure we have a higher ceiling. I tend to think there is a chance, however small, that we are contenders with our three elite wings and one high level creating point guard.

[SparzWizard]

Celtics should trade for Montrezl Harrell now that Doc Rivers is unhappy with him. A big that the Celtics need

This might deserve it's own thread. He's cheap, apparently available, and good. But he's coming up on free agency too.. which, if anything, would drive his price down because he's been very productive. Not exactly a "big" big but definitely a bruiser who would get good minutes on this team.

Source on him being unhappy with Harrell?

I like him, but he is not the answer on defense. He disruptive, but not a good defender.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2872884-clippers-rumors-doc-rivers-ripped-montrezl-harrell-multiple-times-for-comments