Big Man Options

[jbpats]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His contract is absurd so getting him would involve trading somebody like smart or hayward. I doubt Danny would ever do that.

[NKY fan]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His contract is absurd so getting him would involve trading somebody like smart or hayward. I doubt Danny would ever do that.

Their fans were suggesting smart for Dedmon and we swap unprotected picks next year. That might make Danny more interested .. two picks in top 10 next year lol

[Valid]

I just realized, Kenneth Faried is still available? How about him as a mid-season signing.

He played with the Rockets (and did well) but surprisingly still remains a FA. He signed with a Chinese team but apparently the deal didn't go through, so he's still out there. He'd be real solid depth with some upside in our frontcourt.

Nah. He's undersized and a bad defender. We would be better off with Kanter/Theis/Williamses.

Faried can certainly rebound, and he remains a threat in the pick-and-roll because of his athleticism, but we already have guys who fill those roles.

What we need is a Baynes type of bruiser to mix it up with Embiid, Sabonis, Gasol, etc. The problem is, there aren't many of those guys who will be available. One potentially cheap option I can think of is Noah Vonleh.

[Sophomore]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His contract is absurd so getting him would involve trading somebody like smart or hayward. I doubt Danny would ever do that.

Their fans were suggesting smart for Dedmon and we swap unprotected picks next year. That might make Danny more interested .. two picks in top 10 next year lol

In this year’s weakened west, the Grizz might make the playoffs. They’re only two games out now.

[Sophomore]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His stats have fallen off a cliff this year! Wonder what’s up.

[NKY fan]

 

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His stats have fallen off a cliff this year! Wonder what’s up.

Benched after a couple bad games > conflict with Walton > DNP CD most of the last 10 games

[Monkhouse]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His stats have fallen off a cliff this year! Wonder what’s up.

Holmes.

Richaun Holmes is the main reason why.

[Sophomore]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His stats have fallen off a cliff this year! Wonder what’s up.

Holmes.

Richaun Holmes is the main reason why.

It’s not just the counting stats that have fallen off; his percentages are bad too. Could be he’s not a fit for the staff or personnel - is he in a funk because he lost his job? - or could be something more.

[slamtheking]

Just read that Dedmon is asking for a trade out of Sacramento...
Multiple teams submitted offers. I hope Danny is not trying to trade for him

His contract is absurd so getting him would involve trading somebody like smart or hayward. I doubt Danny would ever do that.

Their fans were suggesting smart for Dedmon and we swap unprotected picks next year. That might make Danny more interested .. two picks in top 10 next year lol

their fans are idiots if they think that's a fair deal for the C's.  then again, pretty much all the trades on this site aren't any better (we either give up nothing for an all-star or give up a ton for a role player)

[ETNCeltics]

Why would the Celtics - or anyone else - give up anything at all for a $13m/yr big man with 2 more years on his deal, who is on his 7th team in 7 years, and would be a 3rd stringer for essentially every team? Can't imagine any organization taking Dedmon off their hands. 

[Rikibellevie]

I am sure someone has already posted on it, but he isn't one of the choice in this post, but why wouldn't we trade for Valanciunas ?

Something like : Valanciunas for Kanter+ Poirier+ Langford

Some will tell an old school center as Valanciunas isn't the answer and that the raptors let him go because they didn't see him able to lead to a title. Apparently they were true, but :

1) Valanciunas has good offensive skills in the paint, good rebounding abilitys. Not as good as Kanter but without the redondant weeknesses of Enes. He will solidify our paint.

2) He is a player in his prime and in a controlled contracts for next 3 years (even discreasing). He plays well this year with 16 points 10 rebounds and is a quiet good passer. A very correct overall center (in the middle+ of the NBA starters I guess)

3) OK maybe he doesn't catch the CBS mentality and  defensive tactic of switch and isn't the best player for P/R but he isn't like Kanter, a black hole on switch, he is more like ost of bigs in the league. And we would still have Theis to play sometimes sub at 4 and for some matchups to play at 5 against sall lineups

4) OK we loose a good prospect in Langford. But we have to give Something to catch the Grizzs. And we can easilly next year or even this after buyout find a good substitute scorer veteran who signs in for a ring… And Langford is till a prospect, with injuries proe. I am not sure Grizzs would bite (he could be the same prospect as for us : a future 6 men slashing from the Bench)

5) It disturbs totally the Grizzs momentum. They become very Young and weak on the paint. The picks won't go to 12-15 but fall to 5-10, which will allow us to take maybe Stewart this year or to have unprotected first next year.

6) He brings  veteran mentality. We have wonderfully mature and fighter Young bucks, but they are still lacking experience. It can be usefull. He has also playoff experience

7) And it's the most important point : we have a better chance to beat 76ers or even Lakers/Clipps this year and we Don't loose any important asset as Smart or the Grizzs pick (improving even this one)

[gouki88]

I am sure someone has already posted on it, but he isn't one of the choice in this post, but why wouldn't we trade for Valanciunas ?

Something like : Valanciunas for Kanter+ Poirier+ Langford

Some will tell an old school center as Valanciunas isn't the answer and that the raptors let him go because they didn't see him abl to lead to a title. Apparently they were true, but :

1) Valanciunas has good offensive skills in the paint, good rebounding abilitys. Not as good as Kanter but without the redondant weeknesses of Enes. He will solidify our paint.

2) He is a player in his prime and in a controlled contracts for next 3 years (even discreasing). He plays well this year with 16 points 10 rebounds and is a quiet good passer. A very correct overall center (in the middle of the NBA starters I guess)

3) OK maybe he doesn't catch the defensive tactic of switch and isn't the best player for P/R but he isn't like Kanter, a black hole on switch, he is more like ost of bigs in the league. And we would still have Theis to play sometimes sub at 4 and for some matchups

4) OK we loose a good prospect in Langford. But we have to give Something to catch the Grizzs. And we can easilly next year or even this after buyout find a good substitute scorer veteran who takes in for a ring… And Langford is till a prospect, with injuries proe. I am not sure Grizzs would bite (he could be the same prospect as for us : a future 6 men slashing from the Bench)

5) It disturb totally the Grizzs. The picks won't go to 12-15 but fall to 5-10, wich will allow us to take aybe Stewart this year or to have unprotected first next year.

6) He brings  veteran mentality. We have wonderfully mature and fighter Young bucks, but they are still lacking experience. It can be usefull. He as also playoff experience

7) And it's the most important thing : we have a better chance to beat 76ers or even Lakers/Clipps this year and we Don't loose any important asset as Smart or the Grizzs pick (improving even this one)

I like Jonas V, but I'm not sure if Danny wants to get rid of Langford already. From all I can read he and Coach Stevens are both quite high on him. If our pick + the Milwaukee pick were part of it and Langford wasn't I'd be fine with that kind of deal, but that doesn't work financially sadly.

However, Jonas V has developed quite a nice shot from deep, and is quite a reliable producer in limited minutes per game. If his salary was lesser he'd be a good target, but this isn't nearly as bad as some ideas I've seen thrown around here.

[Rikibellevie]

I thought first about put Bucks and our picks but it would work only if we give Kanter + Poirier + Theis which destroy all our experience on interior sector. And Theis is underestimate (by french analyst at least) to me as he can switch good (good mobility) and defend against 3/4 of the centers of the league

My reflexion is that we may have to loose a little potential (we allready have so much) to give us a chance now. Maybe we are not that far as we thougth at the begining of the year. This team can try this year and probably contend next years (even without Langford). JV could be a mentor for our Young bigs (if we grab a good big big with Grizz picks because he hasnb't the style of RW ok)

Valanciunas isn't a dream at the 5 but he doesn't have big weaknesses (à la Kanter) and may be the little difference against 76ers or LA as I said… Some say we have the best 1-4 in the league (I Don't think) but if it's true the best 1 to 4 players + a top 15 center + a complementary rotation at center + a great 6 man with Smart + Young mature rookies who can defend + one or two Bench scorer buyout signing… We could be what we were supposed to be last year : a team who compete for the title with so much answer to give to the big 2 or the big 3 (or the big Giannis even if the bucks are loaded to). As someone said it's other that will have to adapt to our partition…

His contract is maybe a little high but he is 27 and his contract finishes at 30 with 16 M/ 15M / 14M. It's not a trash contract at all. It's also a good window to integrate Young guys at big position. But it may be a problem for resigning Hayward.

Maybe we can take one or twe secound round pick to the grizzs I just see they have a lot or a highly protected first (but I Don't think they will bite again after Jeff Green trade)

I still think it's an idea to think about (especially because we Don't loose -very- big thing). I love our team. Don't want to loose our soul (Smart) and our luck (Grizz pick) in a trade. I have faith but a tall good overall Big is still lacking. Theis can be OK for some matchups in playoff but not all...

[Androslav]

I thought first about put Bucks and our picks but it would work only if we give Kanter + Poirier + Theis which destroy all our experience on interior sector. And Theis is underestimate (by french analyst at least) to me as he can switch good (good mobility) and defend against 3/4 of the centers of the league

My reflexion is that we may have to loose a little potential (we allready have so much) to give us a chance now. Maybe we are not that far as we thougth at the begining of the year. This team can try this year and probably contend next years (even without Langford). JV could be a mentor for our Young bigs (if we grab a good big big with Grizz picks because he hasnb't the style of RW ok)

Valanciunas isn't a dream at the 5 but he doesn't have big weaknesses (à la Kanter) and may be the little difference against 76ers or LA as I said… Some say we have the best 1-4 in the league (I Don't think) but if it's true the best 1 to 4 players + a top 15 center + a complementary rotation at center + a great 6 man with Smart + Young mature rookies who can defend + one or two Bench scorer buyout signing… We could be what we were supposed to be last year : a team who compete for the title with so much answer to give to the big 2 or the big 3 (or the big Giannis even if the bucks are loaded to). As someone said it's other that will have to adapt to our partition…

His contract is maybe a little high but he is 27 and his contract finishes at 30 with 16 M/ 15M / 14M. It's not a trash contract at all. It's also a good window to integrate Young guys at big position. But it may be a problem for resigning Hayward.

Maybe we can take one or twe secound round pick to the grizzs I just see they have a lot or a highly protected first (but I Don't think they will bite again after Jeff Green trade)

I still think it's an idea to think about (especially because we Don't loose -very- big thing). I love our team. Don't want to loose our soul (Smart) and our luck (Grizz pick) in a trade. I have faith but a tall good overall Big is still lacking. Theis can be OK for some matchups in playoff but not all...

I am not a fan of JV. He is a OK player, but for that amount longterm guaranteed money for the most replaceable position, I feel like we are better to stay put. Giving young talent + current centers for a mildly possible upgrade is a no go for me. Also the most important thing JV isn't solving our Giannis issue. I also think that Kanter is a bit underappreciated by our fanbase.

A testament that the center position is the most replaceable one is our current record and the fact that almost all teams go small in the clutch. Unless they have KAT, Giannis or Embiid.

It might sound blasphemous but I think this year we give our guys a chance, develop them and then charge for the chip next year.

[Rikibellevie]

It might sound blasphemous but I think this year we give our guys a chance, develop them and then charge for the chip next year.

I agree with you, it can be an option. But if we fall short in 7 to the bucks or 76ers in conf finales we will still have the doubt that we could do a little thing to change it…

But to me JV is an upgrade over Kanter as he can feed a need with his strenght and BETTER OVERALL DEFENSE. I Don't think I underestimate Kanter, stats are speaking for him offensively. But we Don't need as much this skills as an overall big who can score but also defend…

And for Giannis… He won't win alone against 5 players. Ojeleye has done good things and we can attack him offensively with all our weapon. The Bucks are strong but JV + Theis against the Lopez would be ok to me. Maybe/probably we still loose but we would have done Something to change it…

And I know it's a little machiavelic thinking, but I am almost sure without JV experience, power and paint defense, Grizzs will suck again… If we loose Langford but catch a higher big prospect in next draft or 21's... It would have been a good gamble.