it was. let's make it so once more.
The narrative that Hayward wasn't given any special treatment has always bothered me. You don't rock the boat by starting a wing player whose confidence was down due to a gruesome ankle injury over running back the starting 5 that led your team to the ECF, even if the wing in question is a star. You let him slowly regain his verve by coming off the bench and feasting on opposing bench units. This will take off a lot of the pressure surrounding the player as well, ntm him coming off the bench would bolster our second unit. It was absolutely Hayward receiving the golden boy treatment.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
It's not like Ainge didn't try to hold on to Doc.
In fact, the Celts asked for a draft pick from the Clips because they stole Doc from the Celts.
And IT was traded because he was damaged goods.
Ainge would not have traded IT if IT was healthy.
Also, we already saw evidence from last season that part of the Celtics problem was Brad giving Hayward special treatment.
That already gives you a preview of the Brad-Hayward relationship.
I know this isn't the point of the thread, but this narrative has always bothered me. I get that Hayward was coming off of a major injury, but he was hardly given special treatment. Any coach of any team that had signed a max FA entering his prime would give that player some level of preference and let them ease back in with heavy rotation minutes. It has a lot more to do with Rozier and Morris(?) being babies than with this special Stevens/Hayward bond.
Lol - yeah, we should have rolled into the season with a Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Morris, Horford line-up. That is after all the line-up that took us to game 7 of the ECF.
You just don't know what you're talking about here. Hayward was cleared to play at the start of the season. Even if he wasn't at his peak, any coach would give him the 'golden boy' treatment. He was a sought after in his prime max FA. Before his injury he was 1a/1b with Irving. That's just how it works.
I would have had Hayward start the season off the bench as well. Brad has started Tayshaun Prince, jammer nelson over guys we hoped to develop. Heís been about earning the minutes even at expense of the future. Just like people give Brad credit for that team he should ( IMO) showed more respect for what those guys brought. Iím going in the assumption that at that point in Haywardís recovery/ journey back whatever ... he wasnít beating the other starters.
Brad was always about this .. and then Gordon was handled differently. Gordon isnít crazy like Kyrie. Brad could have started Baynes or Morris, yes. I personally would have hoped for Baynes.
Either way, itís an opinion so no need to tell someone they donít know what theyíre talking about or laugh at their opinion.
I thought this was thread was about brown's contract...
4/80 is a decent starting point for negotiations. Myles Turner signed a 4/72. Gary Harris 4/74. Gobert 4/94. Oladipo 4/84.
i am sure the numbers for brown will go up. but i do not think it would be a wise investment to give him the max. the celtics, i think, would come to rue that contact.
People keep bringing up Oladipo, as if Brown is somehow worse than Oladipo and therefore deserves no more than what he got, but I don't get this argument.
Here are some numbers for Oladipo's third season, the offseason after which he signed his deal:
Age: 23. Per 36: 17.4/5.2/4.3, eFG% .489, TS% .534.
Age: 22. Per 36: 18.1/5.9/1.9, eFG% .525, TS% .547.
Those are pretty darn comparable, with Oladipo having a significant edge in assists (of course, he came into the NBA as a PG, and still was getting some time there in year 3, so one needs to account for that), and Jaylen having a smaller edge in everything else, as well as being a year younger. Both had reasonably good reputations on defense.
Furthermore, the projected 4-year max Oladipo was negotiating against was approximately 4 years, $110 million (the Thunder could not give Oladipo the 5-year max because Westbrook was still playing under his own 5-year rookie extension, and the prior CBA, which was in effect at the time, did not permit them to sign Oladipo to one as well). So this means that Oladipo's deal, earned him a little over 76% of the max deal available to him. A corresponding number for Brown would be right around the 4 years, $100 million some think he will end up at. Gobert got 85% of the max, which would translate to 4 years, $110 million under today's numbers.