Could Waters turn out to be a VanVleet type player?

[gouki88]

I'm bored on a Tuesday night, and this idea sort of came to me while putting off doing anything of actual value

Obviously quite different games, with VanVleet being a more natural shooter and scorer, while Waters is a better defender and passer. But the comparison, at least in my head, comes from them both being undersized and overlooked guards.

VanVleet came up huge for the Raps in the playoffs (and last season in general) - does Waters have the potential to develop into that kind of impact player for us? Mind you, VanVleet was really nothing as a rookie.

[Fierce1]

Yes, Waters can have the same impact as VanVleet.

It's just unfortunate for Waters that the Celts also have Carsen Edwards.

But clearly Waters will be an adequate replacement for Kemba in the near future.

[gouki88]

Yes, Waters can have the same impact as VanVleet.

It's just unfortunate for Waters that the Celts also have Carsen Edwards.

But clearly Waters will be an adequate replacement for Kemba in the near future.

If Waters ends up as our long-term starter I'll be quite happy. TP for the optimism!

[Celtics4ever]

He was no where as near as good as Vanvleet  in college in terms of tournament success folks.  Waters is superfast and Fred is  195 lb 6' tank.

VanVleet being a more natural shooter and scorer.

This simply is a false memory.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/fred-van-vleet-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tremont-waters-1.html

As one can see Fred is a better shooter than Tremont but Waters is the better scorer stat wise.

If Waters ends up as our long-term starter I'll be quite happy.

I would start buying tissues now.

[gouki88]

He was no where as near as good as Vanvleet  in college in terms of tournament success folks.  Waters is superfast and Fred is  195 lb 6' tank.

VanVleet being a more natural shooter and scorer.

This simply is a false memory.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/fred-van-vleet-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tremont-waters-1.html

As one can see Fred is a better shooter than Tremont but Waters is the better scorer stat wise.

If Waters ends up as our long-term starter I'll be quite happy.

I would start buying tissues now.

I don't think tournament success has anything to do with anything in this thread.

I also don't think Waters scoring more in college means he's a more natural scorer, which is what I said. I think Waters is better at scoring in certain situations, but overall I'd give the edge to VanVleet. At least considering VanVleet's development.

I further wasn't even the one who said Waters would replace Kemba, lol.

[Hoopvortex]

Obviously quite different games, with VanVleet being a more natural shooter and scorer, while Waters is a better defender and passer. But the comparison, at least in my head, comes from them both being undersized and overlooked guards.

Waters has a beautiful stroke, and judging by what sample size we’ve got, he’s accurate as well.

On the other hand, VanVleet is a very good defender.

I think that your comparisons are a bit off the cuff.

How do you figure that Fred is undersized?

Waters is superfast and Fred is  195 lb 6' tank.

And Waters is 175, huge difference. Physically, Carsen is a better comp for Fred than Tremont is.

[nickagneta]

Yes, Waters can have the same impact as VanVleet.

It's just unfortunate for Waters that the Celts also have Carsen Edwards.

But clearly Waters will be an adequate replacement for Kemba in the near future.

Is this sarcasm or a joke? You don't really believe that Waters will develop into an adequate replacement for a three time All-Star and an All-NBA performer that has averaged 20PPG over his 8 year career, do you?

[dannyboy35]

Yes, Waters can have the same impact as VanVleet.

It's just unfortunate for Waters that the Celts also have Carsen Edwards.

But clearly Waters will be an adequate replacement for Kemba in the near future.

  Wha? You think Waters is gonna be a big time star? No kiddin. I haven’t heard this before. Hey that’d be great.

[ozgod]

I would prefer to see more of Waters against top caliber NBA teams and players, like what Kemba has gone against for 8 years, before anointing him the heir apparent on the basis of a couple of preseason blowouts. That said, I'm very bullish on him.

[gouki88]

Obviously quite different games, with VanVleet being a more natural shooter and scorer, while Waters is a better defender and passer. But the comparison, at least in my head, comes from them both being undersized and overlooked guards.

Waters has a beautiful stroke, and judging by what sample size we’ve got, he’s accurate as well.

On the other hand, VanVleet is a very good defender.

I think that your comparisons are a bit off the cuff.

How do you figure that Fred is undersized?

What sample size is that? I like Waters, but his 3P shooting in college wasn't particularly good. Granted, he is looking better here, but the edge would still have to go to VanVleet.

Waters was also the SEC Defensive Player of the Year, whereas VanVleet had no defensive accolades during his college career.

And my comparison wasn't really to do with actual play style, but more impact. I even said in the OP

Obviously quite different games

I figure that VanVleet is undersized because he is measured at 6' prior to the new measurement system being implemented. 6' full-stop is undersized - not sure how you could argue otherwise.

[Celtics4ever]

Edwards in the process of carrying us to victory vs. the Cavs!  Holy third quarter hot streak!

[nickagneta]

Yeah, maybe gouki should have chosen Edwards instead of Waters for this thread. If he did he would have looked like a genius right now.

[gouki88]

Yeah, maybe gouki should have chosen Edwards instead of Waters for this thread. If he did he would have looked like a genius right now.

Dang it!

[Tr1boy]

I'm bored on a Tuesday night, and this idea sort of came to me while putting off doing anything of actual value

Obviously quite different games, with VanVleet being a more natural shooter and scorer, while Waters is a better defender and passer. But the comparison, at least in my head, comes from them both being undersized and overlooked guards.

VanVleet came up huge for the Raps in the playoffs (and last season in general) - does Waters have the potential to develop into that kind of impact player for us? Mind you, VanVleet was really nothing as a rookie.

Impact yes. Both are savvy

but VanVleet is built like Lowry and has more of a complete game

Can shoot, drive, pass, defend

Waters still has work to do (3 pt shooting, add mass)

[Tr1boy]

Imo Patty Mills comparison is better (if Waters makes it)