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Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2019, 04:16:27 PM »

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Eventually, I would hope for Williams to become more of a Ryan Gomes, P.J. Tucker type player. The type of player that's very strong and has a great BBIQ but is athletically and physically limited. Great glue guy, locker room guy, that does a bunch of little things that make him better than he has a right to be.

But, if he doesn't develop a 37% or so three point shot, he won't even get to the Tucker/Gomes level of players. And I don't think he has a chance at being the same type of defender as Draymond. None. But if he gets to Tucker level defense, I will be very very happy.

Grant is an early 20's pick in a bad draft. I think a bit of realism in expectations should be warranted. Comparing him to a DPOY, 3 time All-Star, 3 time World Champ, 5 time All-Defense(3 1sts, 2 2nds) player that has off the chart passing skills for a big man is just unfair to Grant.

I wonder how much of that has to do with him being a junior coming out.  It's almost like staying in school is treated as a detriment these days.
It isn't a detriment, you are just a more finished product.  If Grant had performed the same and was a freshman he might have gone a little higher, but after 3 years it seemed pretty apparent that Grant wasn't a top 10 pick level talent.  Hachimura was a top 10 pick as a junior in the same draft (Bridges was the draft before and Robinson was also in the lottery).  I think that has also been borne out.  Historically look at the recent lottery picks that have been juniors or seniors.  2017 - none (Justin Jackson at 15 was the highest).  2016 you had Dunn at 5 and Hield at 6.  Dunn has been ok, though Hield has been very good.  2015, WCS went 6th.  Bleh.  2014, Payton went 10th, McDermott went 11th.  2013, Oladipo went 2 (a great pick), McCollum went 10th (a great pick), Olynyk went 13th (a decent pick).  So aside from Hield, you have to go all the way back to 2013 to find some real hits from upper classmen.  2012 had Thomas Robinson at 5, but Lillard went 6 (Sullinger was also in that draft and he certainly had talent, but was injured which is a large reason he fell in the draft).  The guards tend to do better as well.  I think Vucevic is the last upper classmen to really hit that was a big man (guys like Harrell, Olynyk, and the Morris twins are solid rotational players and generally outperformed their draft position, but I wouldn't call them hits in the vein of someone like Vucevic).  Vucevic was the 16th pick in 2011.  In other words, it has been awhile. 
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Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2019, 12:47:27 PM »

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 https://youtu.be/B9XJ1werqTY

 Here is a video Comparing Grant to Draymond.

 There are no two players alike in the NBA but some of the qualities they share are a 6 foot 7 235 lb body outstanding passing and Court vision, good rebounders good defenders neither one of them is very athletic.

 both are outstanding communicators on defense and have that real team first mentality glue guy mentality.

 also Grant Williams is a knockdown free throw shooter in the Vanderbilt game when he scored 43 points he went 21 for 21 from the line let's hope that he can maintain that in the NBA and be threat to go to the line each game because of his physicality.

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2019, 01:01:25 PM »

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 Grant Williams was the SEC player of the year while Draymond Green was the big ten player of the year.

Other similarities listed in this video shown above are.

Both undersized power forwards
Both showed similar shooting development
Both undersized power forwards
Both have outstanding strength and motors
Prominent passers
Average athleticism and underrated in mock drafts.

Also look at the stat lines for the junior years incredibly similar.

Grant MPG 31.8 3p .341% Ast 3.1 stl 1.1 blk 1.4 fouls 2.9 PPG 19.0 Usage% 26.5 win shares 7.5

Green mpg 33.2 3p .388% 3.8apg 1.5 spg .9 bpg 2.8 fouls 16.2 PPG usage 28.2% win shares 7.1

 Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.
 
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Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2019, 05:19:58 PM »

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Grant Williams was the SEC player of the year while Draymond Green was the big ten player of the year.

Other similarities listed in this video shown above are.

Both undersized power forwards
Both showed similar shooting development
Both undersized power forwards
Both have outstanding strength and motors
Prominent passers
Average athleticism and underrated in mock drafts.

Also look at the stat lines for the junior years incredibly similar.

Grant MPG 31.8 3p .341% Ast 3.1 stl 1.1 blk 1.4 fouls 2.9 PPG 19.0 Usage% 26.5 win shares 7.5

Green mpg 33.2 3p .388% 3.8apg 1.5 spg .9 bpg 2.8 fouls 16.2 PPG usage 28.2% win shares 7.1

 Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.
His teammate Semi is pretty close his third year in some categories

34mpg, 19ppg, usg 26, Rb 6.9, 3p%42, WS 7.7


Ryan Gomes also has some similar numbers in a few categories.

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2019, 05:33:22 PM »

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Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.

How about someone who can alter this comparison.

Draymond vertical 28" Max 33" Standing reach  8'10" inches   

Williams vertical 26"  Max 31"   Standing reach  8'8.5" inches 

Grant is faster at springing more agile, he is also a lot stronger but he does not have the ability to play as vertical as Draymond.  Draymond can jump higher and has more reach and thus more vertical range in terms of defense by about 4 inches .

I hope he proves me wrong.

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2019, 05:41:51 PM »

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Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.
Why would anyone bother? When scouting a college player for the pros, college counting stats are irrelevant. They don't matter.
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Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2019, 06:13:29 PM »

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Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.

How about someone who can alter this comparison.

Draymond vertical 28" Max 33" Standing reach  8'10" inches   

Williams vertical 26"  Max 31"   Standing reach  8'8.5" inches 

Grant is faster at springing more agile, he is also a lot stronger but he does not have the ability to play as vertical as Draymond.  Draymond can jump higher and has more reach and thus more vertical range in terms of defense by about 4 inches .

I hope he proves me wrong.


 That's true, If you watch Williams play defense it's pretty encouraging cuz he has what looks like to be a decent vertical while challenging shots.

 he's the type of athlete that can give you that 30-inch vertical over and over and over again more of an endurance athlete similar to Green in that regard.

. He goes straight up and uses that big body extremely well uses that rule if you go straight up it's not a foul, very well.

 can't wait to see him play with the starters I think he's going to do perfect in that role just like Draymond difference being we obviously have nowhere near as good as players.

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2019, 06:43:01 PM »

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Wrong thread

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2019, 09:33:18 PM »

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Very Draymondesque performance tonight. Amazing defense. Must have set like 20 picks tonight

Good move by Brad to inject him late in the game

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2019, 09:48:48 PM »

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Agree Tr1boy

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2019, 09:49:44 PM »

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He's much more likable than Draymond

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2019, 09:58:57 PM »

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Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.

How about someone who can alter this comparison.

Draymond vertical 28" Max 33" Standing reach  8'10" inches   

Williams vertical 26"  Max 31"   Standing reach  8'8.5" inches 

Grant is faster at springing more agile, he is also a lot stronger but he does not have the ability to play as vertical as Draymond.  Draymond can jump higher and has more reach and thus more vertical range in terms of defense by about 4 inches .

I hope he proves me wrong.

I think he's more like PJ Tucker. And guess what, that would be great!

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2019, 10:02:29 PM »

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Agree Tr1boy

Better defender at 6'7 than 6'11 Kanter, Theis and smarter than Robert at the 5

I think it could work, as long as the other help out underneath the basket

What a block by Jaylen tonight

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2019, 10:04:48 PM »

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Automatic TP to anybody that can find a closer statistical comparison to Grant Williams than Draymond Green.

How about someone who can alter this comparison.

Draymond vertical 28" Max 33" Standing reach  8'10" inches   

Williams vertical 26"  Max 31"   Standing reach  8'8.5" inches 

Grant is faster at springing more agile, he is also a lot stronger but he does not have the ability to play as vertical as Draymond.  Draymond can jump higher and has more reach and thus more vertical range in terms of defense by about 4 inches .

I hope he proves me wrong.

This is incorrect

Grant can jump higher than Draymond. Draymond has a longer wingspan

Both are good at getting a hand on the ball on the drive to basket defense and contesting shots.  Grant is a better shot blocker at the rim imo

Re: Grant Williams vs Draymond Green
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2019, 01:07:51 AM »

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The rookie is doing a nice job out there.  Still looks tiny for a big but I started having dreams of Adrian dantley for a minute.