Grant Williams vs Draymond Green

[gouki88]

More like Ryan Gomes than Draymond Green.

No he isn’t.

[jpotter33]

The chances of Grant being as good as Draymond are extremely slim, for no other reason than the fact that Draymond is one of the best two-way players of his generation.

The one thing I would absolutely expect Grant to do better over the course of his career is shoot the 3. Draymond has that weird hitch, and at times he's been a complete liability out there. Based on what I've seen so far, I'd be shocked if Grant never turns into a reliable 3-point shooter, and mildly surprised if he doesn't become one in his rookie year.

PJ Tucker is the best comparison for this kid. And if you've just drafted the next PJ Tucker at #22, that's a major steal.

Two-way player? That's a bit of a stretch. He can pass and (occasionally) hit an outside shot, but I think it's a stretch to call him a two-way player in that regard.

[Scottiej23]

Personally, I hate threads like this. Dude hasn't even set foor on court in an NBA game yet.

Makes me wonder what the Vegas odds are for when people turning on him for NOT being Draymond Green...January?

[KG Living Legend]

Personally, I hate threads like this. Dude hasn't even set foor on court in an NBA game yet.

Makes me wonder what the Vegas odds are for when people turning on him for NOT being Draymond Green...January?

 Well than you don't have a future as an NBA scout, because somebody has to evaluate these guys before they play an NBA game.

 I agree, he probably doesn't reach the level that Draymond Green does but I was a huge Draymond Green fan in college at Michigan State.

 Then all the draft so-called experts said that Draymond was going to be nothing in the NBA.

 also for the people that think that the glue guy is finished in the NBA that's exactly what Draymond Green is and was..

 And that's the type of player the grant Williams is he puts the team first he sets pics he makes fantastic passes he's improved as a shooter every year he's a hard worker he lost tons of body fat and got absolutely ripped.

 And if you have stayed on top of what's going on with him he runs Sprint's when his team loses a scrimmage like they did the other day.

 If he doesn't make it in the NBA it's not going to be because he doesn't work hard or he's not a team player.

[Scottiej23]

But I am an NBA scout....

My point is that the constant comparisons for players invariably, for some, sets unrealistic expecations of who that player will become. Then, when they don't, they get turned on for not living up to standards which were unrealistically set to begin with. We see it with our own players every year, usually about when they hit their second, third or fourth year. Jaylen and Jayson are two that are in that zone right now.

[KG Living Legend]

But I am an NBA scout....

My point is that the constant comparisons for players invariably, for some, sets unrealistic expecations of who that player will become. Then, when they don't, they get turned on for not living up to standards which were unrealistically set to begin with. We see it with our own players every year, usually about when they hit their second, third or fourth year. Jaylen and Jayson are two that are in that zone right now.

 Going to disagree again. The best comp for Jaylen Brown is probably Jimmy Butler.

 I'd say Brown is on his way to becoming around 90% of the player that Butler was or is.

 The best Tatum comp is probably a Rich man's Otto Porter. The Kobe talk was just media BS.


 TP for the banter tho.

[moiso]

More like Ryan Gomes than Draymond Green.

No he isn’t.

He'll play more like Green but he'll be more in Gomes class as a player.

[saltlover]

Personally, I hate threads like this. Dude hasn't even set foor on court in an NBA game yet.

Makes me wonder what the Vegas odds are for when people turning on him for NOT being Draymond Green...January?

I’m just hoping that rookie Grant isn’t rookie Draymond.  But then if Grant starts out his NBA career slower than we hope, we’ll still have our Draymond comps to point to.

I get your general displeasure with this type of thread, but people who make these comparisons also need to remember how bad rookie Draymond was, despite being almost two years old than rookie Grant will be.  Time will tell what Grant will become, but after Green’s rookie season at 23 years old where he averaged under 3 points per game shooting below 33%, I can’t imagine anyone would have said “This dude will be an All-Star in three years.”

[nickagneta]

Personally, I hate threads like this. Dude hasn't even set foor on court in an NBA game yet.

Makes me wonder what the Vegas odds are for when people turning on him for NOT being Draymond Green...January?

 Well than you don't have a future as an NBA scout, because somebody has to evaluate these guys before they play an NBA game.

 I agree, he probably doesn't reach the level that Draymond Green does but I was a huge Draymond Green fan in college at Michigan State.

 Then all the draft so-called experts said that Draymond was going to be nothing in the NBA.

 also for the people that think that the glue guy is finished in the NBA that's exactly what Draymond Green is and was..

 And that's the type of player the grant Williams is he puts the team first he sets pics he makes fantastic passes he's improved as a shooter every year he's a hard worker he lost tons of body fat and got absolutely ripped.

 And if you have stayed on top of what's going on with him he runs Sprint's when his team loses a scrimmage like they did the other day.

 If he doesn't make it in the NBA it's not going to be because he doesn't work hard or he's not a team player.

Well, KGLL, neither do you or most anyone on this site. To be honest, I would rate your scouting of young players at only slightly above Triboy's.

[footey]

But I am an NBA scout....

My point is that the constant comparisons for players invariably, for some, sets unrealistic expecations of who that player will become. Then, when they don't, they get turned on for not living up to standards which were unrealistically set to begin with. We see it with our own players every year, usually about when they hit their second, third or fourth year. Jaylen and Jayson are two that are in that zone right now.

 Going to disagree again. The best comp for Jaylen Brown is probably Jimmy Butler.

 I'd say Brown is on his way to becoming around 90% of the player that Butler was or is.

 The best Tatum comp is probably a Rich man's Otto Porter. The Kobe talk was just media BS.


 TP for the banter tho.

I rarely agree with player comparisons. Every player is unique. But I get why they are made, and it is fun to discuss.

I never understood the comparison between Jaylen Brown and Jimmy Butler.  Brown is considerably quicker, Butler is a purer shooter and better ball handler. Maybe the fact that they are two way guys of similar size, but that is the extent of it.

Rich man's Otto Porter?  I have to think about that, maybe watch some more Otto Porter.

[KG Living Legend]

Personally, I hate threads like this. Dude hasn't even set foor on court in an NBA game yet.

Makes me wonder what the Vegas odds are for when people turning on him for NOT being Draymond Green...January?

 Well than you don't have a future as an NBA scout, because somebody has to evaluate these guys before they play an NBA game.

 I agree, he probably doesn't reach the level that Draymond Green does but I was a huge Draymond Green fan in college at Michigan State.

 Then all the draft so-called experts said that Draymond was going to be nothing in the NBA.

 also for the people that think that the glue guy is finished in the NBA that's exactly what Draymond Green is and was..

 And that's the type of player the grant Williams is he puts the team first he sets pics he makes fantastic passes he's improved as a shooter every year he's a hard worker he lost tons of body fat and got absolutely ripped.

 And if you have stayed on top of what's going on with him he runs Sprint's when his team loses a scrimmage like they did the other day.

 If he doesn't make it in the NBA it's not going to be because he doesn't work hard or he's not a team player.

Well, KGLL, neither do you or most anyone on this site. To be honest, I would rate your scouting of young players at only slightly above Triboy's.

 Well let's hear your player comps than Nick.

 I wanted to draft Julius Randle over Smart. We don't have any real PF on the roster and Randle is blowing up.

 Jamal Murray over Jaylen Brown. Considering our roster I'd take Murray.

 I told this board stay away from Bender. I created the forget Bender draft Zizic thread. Which we did.

 After we traded for the third pick I narrowed it down to first Tatum then I pounded the table for Fox saying he had Brady like character and leadership ability. He's turning out great.

This was all predraft BTW.

 This year I wanted Sekou over Langford.

 And Brandon Clarke over Grant Williams.

 Danny lost Brandon Clarke by doing this strategy. Although I do love Carsen Edwards as well.

[nickagneta]

Eventually, I would hope for Williams to become more of a Ryan Gomes, P.J. Tucker type player. The type of player that's very strong and has a great BBIQ but is athletically and physically limited. Great glue guy, locker room guy, that does a bunch of little things that make him better than he has a right to be.

But, if he doesn't develop a 37% or so three point shot, he won't even get to the Tucker/Gomes level of players. And I don't think he has a chance at being the same type of defender as Draymond. None. But if he gets to Tucker level defense, I will be very very happy.

Grant is an early 20's pick in a bad draft. I think a bit of realism in expectations should be warranted. Comparing him to a DPOY, 3 time All-Star, 3 time World Champ, 5 time All-Defense(3 1sts, 2 2nds) player that has off the chart passing skills for a big man is just unfair to Grant.

[Donoghus]

Eventually, I would hope for Williams to become more of a Ryan Gomes, P.J. Tucker type player. The type of player that's very strong and has a great BBIQ but is athletically and physically limited. Great glue guy, locker room guy, that does a bunch of little things that make him better than he has a right to be.

But, if he doesn't develop a 37% or so three point shot, he won't even get to the Tucker/Gomes level of players. And I don't think he has a chance at being the same type of defender as Draymond. None. But if he gets to Tucker level defense, I will be very very happy.

Grant is an early 20's pick in a bad draft. I think a bit of realism in expectations should be warranted. Comparing him to a DPOY, 3 time All-Star, 3 time World Champ, 5 time All-Defense(3 1sts, 2 2nds) player that has off the chart passing skills for a big man is just unfair to Grant.

I wonder how much of that has to do with him being a junior coming out.  It's almost like staying in school is treated as a detriment these days.

[KG Living Legend]

Eventually, I would hope for Williams to become more of a Ryan Gomes, P.J. Tucker type player. The type of player that's very strong and has a great BBIQ but is athletically and physically limited. Great glue guy, locker room guy, that does a bunch of little things that make him better than he has a right to be.

But, if he doesn't develop a 37% or so three point shot, he won't even get to the Tucker/Gomes level of players. And I don't think he has a chance at being the same type of defender as Draymond. None. But if he gets to Tucker level defense, I will be very very happy.

Grant is an early 20's pick in a bad draft. I think a bit of realism in expectations should be warranted. Comparing him to a DPOY, 3 time All-Star, 3 time World Champ, 5 time All-Defense(3 1sts, 2 2nds) player that has off the chart passing skills for a big man is just unfair to Grant.

 Gomes? PJ Tucker??

 A better offense worse defense Draymond is a better comp IMO.

 And you fail to mention I was right about most of the above predraft scouting reports, but I didn't expect you to acknowledge that. Cheers.

[nickagneta]

Eventually, I would hope for Williams to become more of a Ryan Gomes, P.J. Tucker type player. The type of player that's very strong and has a great BBIQ but is athletically and physically limited. Great glue guy, locker room guy, that does a bunch of little things that make him better than he has a right to be.

But, if he doesn't develop a 37% or so three point shot, he won't even get to the Tucker/Gomes level of players. And I don't think he has a chance at being the same type of defender as Draymond. None. But if he gets to Tucker level defense, I will be very very happy.

Grant is an early 20's pick in a bad draft. I think a bit of realism in expectations should be warranted. Comparing him to a DPOY, 3 time All-Star, 3 time World Champ, 5 time All-Defense(3 1sts, 2 2nds) player that has off the chart passing skills for a big man is just unfair to Grant.

 Gomes? PJ Tucker??

 A better offense worse defense Draymond is a better comp IMO.

 And you fail to mention I was right about most of the above predraft scouting reports, but I didn't expect you to acknowledge that. Cheers.

I could care less who you were right on. I have seen enough of your scouting and player comps to be thoroughly unimpressed. There are few if any on this site that I think are really very good at scouting, especially young players.