Author Topic: Would you trade Hayward+Memphis pick+2020 C's pick for Steven Adams? (Read 7032 times)

chambers · « **on:** July 28, 2019, 09:33:25 PM »

To compete in the East for the next few years, we're going to need at least one really, really good big man. Hayward's contract is going to stop alot of opportunity to get that big man- so using Hayward's contract is likely the only way to get such a big man

Something like:
Hayward+Grizzlies 2020 pick+Celtics 2020 pick
for Adams.

Pros: -Huge upgrade at Center. Having Adams and Smart out there would be a very strong defensive duo. Having Adams out there guarding rim vs Giannis and Embid come playoff time would give us a punchers chance.
-Move Hayward's contract which also gives Brown/Tatum more possessions/shots/minutes and time to shine.

-Essentially dumping Hayward's deal for Adams which is arguably more of a position of need and better value vs Hayward's current on court output+contract amount.

Cons: Adams makes $25 and $27 million in last two years of his deal, but he'll still only be 28 by the end of the deal.
-Negative publicity of trading Hayward would potentially hurt Celtics free agency/reputation.
-Adams still not a great pick and roll defender, could be better option to just go with Kanter and hope Williams can step up as season develops.
-we lose the Memphis pick and our own pick in 2020. Both probably won't be great picks, but we couuld get really unlucky and Memphis pick ends up being top 3 in 2021 if not conveyed this next draft. (although unlikley).

I'll add that a trade like this is really only considered if Hayward really disappoints us this year and we realize his contract is pretty much dead cap space post injury. Time will tell.

gouki88 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:38:06 PM »

I would not. I don't see the point in trading Hayward because I see him being a borderline All-Star this year. I also do not want to give up that Memphis pick until we see them play a bit

chambers · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:40:16 PM »

Quote from: gouki88 on July 28, 2019, 09:38:06 PM

I would not. I don't see the point in trading Hayward because I see him being a borderline All-Star this year. I also do not want to give up that Memphis pick until we see them play a bit

yeah it's a conundrum with Hayward for me.
I guess we can wait it out to see how he's shaping up and in the mean time get a feel for how the Memphis pick is looking.
I'd say more chance of something like this trade happening if Hayward looks trash and we are getting killed inside on D.

nickagneta · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:41:08 PM »

So we have:

Kanter
Poirier
Theis
Williams
Tacko

at center and need to trade Hayward to add another center?

Fierce1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:45:16 PM »

No way!

The closest thing to a sacred cow in Boston is Gordon Hayward.

chambers · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:45:24 PM »

Quote from: nickagneta on July 28, 2019, 09:41:08 PM

So we have:

Kanter
Poirier
Theis
Williams
Tacko

at center and need to trade Hayward to add another center?

Ironically, look at your list of centers and to me, this is why something like a Hayward for Adams swap would be considered.
Ainge wasn't planning on Horford leaving (in my opinion, considering how upset he was with the 76ers 'tampering' with Horford).

We've just signed Kemba to a huge deal and we have a good team, except our front court right now is straight garbage.
I'm just not sure we're going to have any chance of stopping guys like Giannis or Embid in the paint with Kanter as our main guy.

I'm not saying we need to make this move, but I think as the season progresses, something like this is going to be more likely especially if Hayward stinks.

we get matched up with someone like the 76ers in the first round:
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Adams

or
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Kanter

Hayward off bench (or Brown)

trying to guard Al Horford and Joel Embid.
Not seeing much success there.

My point is that to compete in the East for the next few years, we're going to need a really, really good big man. Hayward's contract is going to stop alot of opportunity to get that big man- so using Hayward's contract is likely the only way to get such a big man.

Fierce1 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:54:19 PM »

Quote from: chambers on July 28, 2019, 09:45:24 PM

Quote from: nickagneta on July 28, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
So we have:

Kanter
Poirier
Theis
Williams
Tacko

at center and need to trade Hayward to add another center?

Ironically, look at your list of centers and to me, this is why something like a Hayward for Adams swap would be considered.
Ainge wasn't planning on Horford leaving (in my opinion, considering how upset he was with the 76ers 'tampering' with Horford).

We've just signed Kemba to a huge deal and we have a good team, except our front court right now is straight garbage.
I'm just not sure we're going to have any chance of stopping guys like Giannis or Embid in the paint with Kanter as our main guy.

I'm not saying we need to make this move, but I think as the season progresses, something like this is going to be more likely especially if Hayward stinks.

we get matched up with someone like the 76ers in the first round:
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Adams

or
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Kanter

Hayward off bench (or Brown)

trying to guard Al Horford and Joel Embid.
Not seeing much success there.

My point is that to compete in the East for the next few years, we're going to need a really, really good big man. Hayward's contract is going to stop alot of opportunity to get that big man- so using Hayward's contract is likely the only way to get such a big man.

The team to beat is Milwaukee, not Philly.

Also, the Celts don't need a few years, the Celts will be competing for the east as soon as this coming season.

This current Celtics team is better than last season's Celtics team.

And the Sixers will be a very slow team if both Embiid and Horford are on the court at the same time.

Ogaju · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:58:01 PM »

who is Steven Adams and why should he command such a haul?

chambers · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:59:42 PM »

Quote from: Fierce1 on July 28, 2019, 09:54:19 PM

Quote from: chambers on July 28, 2019, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: nickagneta on July 28, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
So we have:

Kanter
Poirier
Theis
Williams
Tacko

at center and need to trade Hayward to add another center?

Ironically, look at your list of centers and to me, this is why something like a Hayward for Adams swap would be considered.
Ainge wasn't planning on Horford leaving (in my opinion, considering how upset he was with the 76ers 'tampering' with Horford).

We've just signed Kemba to a huge deal and we have a good team, except our front court right now is straight garbage.
I'm just not sure we're going to have any chance of stopping guys like Giannis or Embid in the paint with Kanter as our main guy.

I'm not saying we need to make this move, but I think as the season progresses, something like this is going to be more likely especially if Hayward stinks.

we get matched up with someone like the 76ers in the first round:
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Adams

or
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Kanter

Hayward off bench (or Brown)

trying to guard Al Horford and Joel Embid.
Not seeing much success there.

My point is that to compete in the East for the next few years, we're going to need a really, really good big man. Hayward's contract is going to stop alot of opportunity to get that big man- so using Hayward's contract is likely the only way to get such a big man.

The team to beat is Milwaukee, not Philly.

Also, the Celts don't need a few years, the Celts will be competing for the east as soon as this coming season.

This current Celtics team is better than last season's Celtics team.

And the Sixers will be a very slow team if both Embiid and Horford are on the court at the same time.

to get to the Bucks, we'll need to beat teams like the Nets and 76ers.
The 76ers were slow last season, and they took Toronto to 7 games.
They've added Al Horford, who can sit on the 3 point line.

My question is, when Al is on the 3 point line, and Kanter is guarding Embid, what do the C's do when the ball gets passed to Al Horford on the perimeter and our other front court player goes out to guard him and he backs that defender down into the paint? I see a homicide.

Fierce1 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:06:06 PM »

Quote from: chambers on July 28, 2019, 09:59:42 PM

Quote from: Fierce1 on July 28, 2019, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: chambers on July 28, 2019, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: nickagneta on July 28, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
So we have:

Kanter
Poirier
Theis
Williams
Tacko

at center and need to trade Hayward to add another center?

Ironically, look at your list of centers and to me, this is why something like a Hayward for Adams swap would be considered.
Ainge wasn't planning on Horford leaving (in my opinion, considering how upset he was with the 76ers 'tampering' with Horford).

We've just signed Kemba to a huge deal and we have a good team, except our front court right now is straight garbage.
I'm just not sure we're going to have any chance of stopping guys like Giannis or Embid in the paint with Kanter as our main guy.

I'm not saying we need to make this move, but I think as the season progresses, something like this is going to be more likely especially if Hayward stinks.

we get matched up with someone like the 76ers in the first round:
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Adams

or
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Kanter

Hayward off bench (or Brown)

trying to guard Al Horford and Joel Embid.
Not seeing much success there.

My point is that to compete in the East for the next few years, we're going to need a really, really good big man. Hayward's contract is going to stop alot of opportunity to get that big man- so using Hayward's contract is likely the only way to get such a big man.

The team to beat is Milwaukee, not Philly.

Also, the Celts don't need a few years, the Celts will be competing for the east as soon as this coming season.

This current Celtics team is better than last season's Celtics team.

And the Sixers will be a very slow team if both Embiid and Horford are on the court at the same time.
to get to the Bucks, we'll need to beat teams like the Nets and 76ers.
The 76ers were slow last season, and they took Toronto to 7 games.
They've added Al Horford, who can sit on the 3 point line.

My question is, when Al is on the 3 point line, and Kanter is guarding Embid, what do the C's do when the ball gets passed to Al Horford on the perimeter and our other front court player goes out to guard him and he backs that defender down into the paint? I see a homicide.

Sixers were actually fast last season.

Embiid
Toby Harris
Jimmy Butler
Redick
Ben Simmons

They used a lineup of 4 small and 1 big.

Right now it will be Tatum versus Horford.

Can Horford keep up with Tatum?

Of course not.

The Sixers will be forced to play small ball.

Right now it's all speculation.

We have to wait for the regular season.

But one thing's for sure, Hayward for Adams is not happening.

saltlover · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:08:43 PM »

I would not do that trade straight up, but I would not be outraged if it occurred. Definitely wouldn’t throw in two picks.

Csfan1984 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:13:52 PM »

Quote from: chambers on July 28, 2019, 09:59:42 PM

Quote from: Fierce1 on July 28, 2019, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: chambers on July 28, 2019, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: nickagneta on July 28, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
So we have:

Kanter
Poirier
Theis
Williams
Tacko

at center and need to trade Hayward to add another center?

Ironically, look at your list of centers and to me, this is why something like a Hayward for Adams swap would be considered.
Ainge wasn't planning on Horford leaving (in my opinion, considering how upset he was with the 76ers 'tampering' with Horford).

We've just signed Kemba to a huge deal and we have a good team, except our front court right now is straight garbage.
I'm just not sure we're going to have any chance of stopping guys like Giannis or Embid in the paint with Kanter as our main guy.

I'm not saying we need to make this move, but I think as the season progresses, something like this is going to be more likely especially if Hayward stinks.

we get matched up with someone like the 76ers in the first round:
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Adams

or
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Brown
Kanter

Hayward off bench (or Brown)

trying to guard Al Horford and Joel Embid.
Not seeing much success there.

My point is that to compete in the East for the next few years, we're going to need a really, really good big man. Hayward's contract is going to stop alot of opportunity to get that big man- so using Hayward's contract is likely the only way to get such a big man.

The team to beat is Milwaukee, not Philly.

Also, the Celts don't need a few years, the Celts will be competing for the east as soon as this coming season.

This current Celtics team is better than last season's Celtics team.

And the Sixers will be a very slow team if both Embiid and Horford are on the court at the same time.
to get to the Bucks, we'll need to beat teams like the Nets and 76ers.
The 76ers were slow last season, and they took Toronto to 7 games.
They've added Al Horford, who can sit on the 3 point line.

My question is, when Al is on the 3 point line, and Kanter is guarding Embid, what do the C's do when the ball gets passed to Al Horford on the perimeter and our other front court player goes out to guard him and he backs that defender down into the paint? I see a homicide.

If Horford tries to back a guy down from that far out he is going to turn the ball over.

Horford was slowing down this past year he could slow down even more and really struggle at PF come playoffs.

I'm more worried about how this team operates offensively on the break in a series against the 76ers because it will be hard to score and rebound against the 76ers length.

nickagneta · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:14:34 PM »

First off, you don't trade for a center when you have 5 centers on your team already. You would need to move some of those centers too because if you bring in a full time 26 year old center, you don't need three development players and two other developed role players at the position.

Second off, you are trading Hayward at his lowest value and under the assumption he is going to be bad. Because of this you are sending out two 1st rounders, one being a sure lottery pick just to complete the deal. That's awful personnel management.

This deal, as you have it is more of a Hayward dump than it is an upgrade to the roster as, if Hayward comes back at 80%, he is still better than Adams. You have to give Hayward a chance at trying to be Utah Hayward again because he is this team's best facillitator. Trading him for Adams seriously hurts this team's offense without Hayward being the main guy to set others up.

Third, OKC, I believe, is still over the luxury tax. This trade has them bringing on $7 million in payroll pushing them farther into taxes and not out of them. This is kind of the exact opposite of the type of financial trade they would want to make right now. OKC has to get out of the tax this year as they are repeaters.

shut_the_gate · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:15:27 PM »

I usually despise when people on here overreact and ridicule ideas, but I’m sorry this is crazy.

Adams contract is viewed as almost untradeable, let alone giving up a kings ransom for. Adams is a high level role player who can’t play crunch time because he isn’t able to cover the perimeter and has poor free throw shooting and he is making almost 26 mil this year followed by 28 the final year. That Memphis pick has the possibility to be number 1 in 2021...you don’t just throw that in let alone an all star who gets injured that was a top 20 guy in the league.

I know it’s quiet time of the year but Ainge will get a rim protector if our current crop aren’t up to scratch either through a good long term trade or a buy out.

Fierce1 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:17:15 PM »

Quote from: shut_the_gate on July 28, 2019, 10:15:27 PM

I usually despise when people on here overreact and ridicule ideas, but I’m sorry this is crazy.

Adams contract is viewed as almost untradeable, let alone giving up a kings ransom for. Adams is a high level role player who can’t play crunch time because he isn’t able to cover the perimeter and has poor free throw shooting and he is making almost 26 mil this year followed by 28 the final year. That Memphis pick has the possibility to be number 1 in 2021...you don’t just throw that in let alone an all star who gets injured that was a top 20 guy in the league.

I know it’s quiet time of the year but Ainge will get a rim protector if our current crop aren’t up to scratch either through a good long term trade or a buy out.

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