Enough with the Trade Ideas

[Roy H.]

I totally understood the trade ideas regarding Anthony Davis.  He was a perfect fit for our roster, he was available, and he would have made us top-tier contenders.

Now, though?  There is nobody on the market who would put us over the top, and nobody who fills a huge need unless KAT becomes available.  I think for now, we're going to see what we have, and try to build the team with the pieces we have.

[gpap]

I totally understood the trade ideas regarding Anthony Davis.  He was a perfect fit for our roster, he was available, and he would have made us top-tier contenders.

Now, though?  There is nobody on the market who would put us over the top, and nobody who fills a huge need unless KAT becomes available.  I think for now, we're going to see what we have, and try to build the team with the pieces we have.

Was he ever really available? Or was he just going to end up on the Lakers no matter what and Ainge totally misread the situation and had no back-up plan whatsoever and was caught with his pants down?

[RPGenerate]

I totally understood the trade ideas regarding Anthony Davis.  He was a perfect fit for our roster, he was available, and he would have made us top-tier contenders.

Now, though?  There is nobody on the market who would put us over the top, and nobody who fills a huge need unless KAT becomes available.  I think for now, we're going to see what we have, and try to build the team with the pieces we have.

Was he ever really available? Or was he just going to end up on the Lakers no matter what and Ainge totally misread the situation and had no back-up plan whatsoever and was caught with his pants down?

What do you call Kemba Walker, then? It hilarious when people use hindsight as if it makes them basketball geniuses. Paul George was always gonna be a Laker... until he wasn't. Kawhi Leonard was always gonna be a Laker... until he wasn't. Kevin Garnett was never gonna be a Celtic... until he was, and won us a championship. When a player of AD's calibur becomes available, you have to try to get him. We probably won't have a player that good for another decade.

[green_bballers13]

I totally understood the trade ideas regarding Anthony Davis.  He was a perfect fit for our roster, he was available, and he would have made us top-tier contenders.

Now, though?  There is nobody on the market who would put us over the top, and nobody who fills a huge need unless KAT becomes available.  I think for now, we're going to see what we have, and try to build the team with the pieces we have.

Was he ever really available? Or was he just going to end up on the Lakers no matter what and Ainge totally misread the situation and had no back-up plan whatsoever and was caught with his pants down?

I agree. AD was always going to LA to play with Lebron.

I disagree that Danny was caught with his pants down. That sounds like emotional speak. He picked up Kemba and Kanter when things could have gone way worse. He figured out how to avoid paying Rozier and Morris (solid moves in my book). Danny is making the decision to give the Jays significant playing time. He's giving them the opportunity to become stars. I think that is the right decision.

Re: enough with trades- sorry. Danny is your GM and the Celtics are your team. They want to stay relevant. They will always look to improve. Trading is often a useful tool to do so.

[Hoopvortex]

I am so tired of the suggestions constantly posted to trade our talented young players. Really liked the comment by one NBA writer this summer after it was clear Anthony Davis was not coming to Boston - the guy said that it is time Boston settled in to find out who they are instead of constantly projecting trade/free agent possibilities to become some future dream.

Remember, Antetokounmpo did not start putting up superstar type numbers until his 4th season.

Our two young J's are starting their 3d and 4th seasons, respectively and Hayward is still recovering from his injury and may even be one more year away from returning to his prime form (see Paul George). Walker is locked in and now we need to develop Rob Williams and add a couple of more pieces. It was Red Auerbach who said that one year is not a very long time to wait to develop a contender. We have a very good young core that have been acquired as part of the rebuild after the Garnett team moved on. Be patient and hope Danny does the same and allows this group to grow up together and remain Celtics. We may well have a few titles to enjoy during their careers.

"...a few titles" - yes. It appears that today's CBA makes it more difficult to build a perennial contender, and the events of Summer 2019 suggest that we might just have crossed the Rubicon in that respect. But multiple titles with a consistent core group still looks possible; Steph, Klay, and Draymond were together for many seasons before they became the juggernaut that kept showing up in the Finals year after year (oh and surely everyone is writing them off too easily for the upcoming season...), and that team was enticing enough to attract a difference-maker like Kevin Durant. 

The discipline that the Celtics brass showed in letting Horford go is going to be essential to achieve a perennial contender:  “We wanted to keep him. Thought we would keep him. But he got an offer we weren’t comfortable with trying to match ... We were ready to make a bunch of moves to allow us to re-sign Al, but that number wasn’t a number we could do.”

"...a bunch of moves..." - meaning, ultimately, sacrificing a part of the future to win now, unless the price was right.  The Sixers went over Boston's walk-away number, and the Celtics, prudently and properly, walked away.  People around here are too eager to trade away one or both of The Two Jays; but they're the best bet for the long-term future. It appears that management (perhaps remembering the comment from Red Auerbach that you cited) is willing to "take a step back to take two steps forward".

Philadelphia's approach appears to be in stark contrast to Boston's. Let's keep that in mind as the long-term results roll in in the next 5-8 years.

I think it's worth asking if Jayson and Jaylen aren't in fact best suited to be second and third bananas; it's a question that assumes that you need a #1, #2, and #3 to win a championship - and that might be true, though we might require another century or two of NBA championship teams to get a decent sample size.

[Jvalin]

It's the offseason. If we stop messing around with trade ideas, we might as well close down the forums till the preseason.

Let the people post whatever they wanna post. That's the beauty of the forums.

[hwangjini_1]

Our two young Js are not bigs.

Giannis is considered a big man.

Wing players like the two Js usually show star potential in their first 3 seasons in the league.

Red Auerbach's ways are a thing of the past.

In today's NBA, you can become an instant contender with just one move.
Toronto did it last season.

Auerbach didn't have to deal with the current salary cap rules.

Things move a lot faster in today's NBA.

usually is the key word here. jimmy butler didnt really look good until his fourth year. i suppose folks could make the case that kawhi didnt really become a star until year 4 or 5.

then depending on how you define star, late-bloomers of all positions might include folks such as:

steve nash
korver
dennis rodman
doug christie
Detlef Schrempf
ben wallace
billups
gary payton

my basic point is that it is hard to judge players accurately based upon their first few years in the nba. a lot can change.

[tenn_smoothie]

Yeah, the NBA is different these days, but the biggest winners of the past 20 years, Spurs & Warriors built their teams slowly through the draft, a couple of key trades and development. The teams that became instant champions often flamed out after a single title.

 I assume it’s because when you draft a transcendent player like Tim Duncan, you build around him properly and you’ll get great results.

Look at the Miami Heat though. I think Lebron (free agent) was their most important player. To use your example with GSW, I think KD (free agent) was the most important player in their dynasty.

You are correct about Miami - weak-minded Lebron finally got tired of being exposed for the amazing athletic ability and soft mentality that he possesses and recruited some stronger wills to hold him up when the pressure of the playoffs started. That entire process, to me, was sickening.

Golden State became great before Durant got there.

As for drafting transcendent players, we may have already done that, thus my point about Antetokounmpo. You could include Leonard in that category. I believe he took a few seasons to become great as well.

[tenn_smoothie]

It's the offseason. If we stop messing around with trade ideas, we might as well close down the forums till the preseason.

Let the people post whatever they wanna post. That's the beauty of the forums.

The trade ideas don't stop once the season begins.

People can post what they want - my comments were a reference to how I believe the team should be managed by Ainge and Stevens, not what you want to talk about. Hey, I'm a conservative - I believe in free speech.

[tenn_smoothie]

I am so tired of the suggestions constantly posted to trade our talented young players. Really liked the comment by one NBA writer this summer after it was clear Anthony Davis was not coming to Boston - the guy said that it is time Boston settled in to find out who they are instead of constantly projecting trade/free agent possibilities to become some future dream.

Pretty sure people are able to post trade ideas anytime they wish.
If you don't agree with them, don't read them.

Pretty sure I can share my view of how the roster should best be managed anytime I wish.
If you don't like the topic, don't read the post.

[dannyboy35]

What u see is what u going to get for the upcoming season..Ainge is done trading..he was going to offer everything to New Orleans for Davis until Davis said he would not resign with us..

According to Bulpett of the Herald, Celts are not done dealing because the Celts don't believe they're an elite team right now.

I think the reason why they overpaid Theis is so he can be used as trade filler in December, January, or February.

  Yup. We did the same with Theis and also paid smart much more than necessary to get him back .

[dannyboy35]

Sorry. I meant we did the same with Zeller.

[dannyboy35]

I totally understood the trade ideas regarding Anthony Davis.  He was a perfect fit for our roster, he was available, and he would have made us top-tier contenders.

Now, though?  There is nobody on the market who would put us over the top, and nobody who fills a huge need unless KAT becomes available.  I think for now, we're going to see what we have, and try to build the team with the pieces we have.

Was he ever really available? Or was he just going to end up on the Lakers no matter what and Ainge totally misread the situation and had no back-up plan whatsoever and was caught with his pants down?

I agree. AD was always going to LA to play with Lebron.

I disagree that Danny was caught with his pants down. That sounds like emotional speak. He picked up Kemba and Kanter when things could have gone way worse. He figured out how to avoid paying Rozier and Morris (solid moves in my book). Danny is making the decision to give the Jays significant playing time. He's giving them the opportunity to become stars. I think that is the right decision.

Re: enough with trades- sorry. Danny is your GM and the Celtics are your team. They want to stay relevant. They will always look to improve. Trading is often a useful tool to do so.

   I agree that this is Danny’s thinking. But I don’t trust Brad. Hayward if healthy is a far superior player to Tatum and not some old fogie and Brown’s potential is way higher than Smart’s. But Tatum is already talking about averaging 20 points and I personally think Brad will do wrong by Jaylen in favor of a Smart .

[Silky]

I totally understood the trade ideas regarding Anthony Davis.  He was a perfect fit for our roster, he was available, and he would have made us top-tier contenders.

Now, though?  There is nobody on the market who would put us over the top, and nobody who fills a huge need unless KAT becomes available.  I think for now, we're going to see what we have, and try to build the team with the pieces we have.

Was he ever really available? Or was he just going to end up on the Lakers no matter what and Ainge totally misread the situation and had no back-up plan whatsoever and was caught with his pants down?

I agree. AD was always going to LA to play with Lebron.

I disagree that Danny was caught with his pants down. That sounds like emotional speak. He picked up Kemba and Kanter when things could have gone way worse. He figured out how to avoid paying Rozier and Morris (solid moves in my book). Danny is making the decision to give the Jays significant playing time. He's giving them the opportunity to become stars. I think that is the right decision.

Re: enough with trades- sorry. Danny is your GM and the Celtics are your team. They want to stay relevant. They will always look to improve. Trading is often a useful tool to do so.

   I agree that this is Danny’s thinking. But I don’t trust Brad. Hayward if healthy is a far superior player to Tatum and not some old fogie and Brown’s potential is way higher than Smart’s. But Tatum is already talking about averaging 20 points and I personally think Brad will do wrong by Jaylen in favor of a Smart .

I dont think you can state that Hayward, when healthy, is a farsuperior talent to Tatum.

Tatum is about to enter his 3rd season, is 9 years younger, and has performed great while being relegated to a 3rd or 4th role at best. Give Tatum the number 1 option and then we can talk, cause the best hayward has ever been, he was the centerpiece of the offense.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

After this offseason I’m all set On giving trade scenarios and trying to predict what’s the Celtics would/should do. It’s really just an impossible game to play and you will only be disappointed. Who would of thought out of all the possible scenarios we would have Kemba Walker and Enes Kanter.....

I’m really not high on the Celtics this upcoming season. I feel like we have a log jam in the guard position. This bothers me because I don’t feel like Brown will get the touches “I” would want him to have. I also feel we have a hole in the paint talent wise. 

After last season I just knew we would either have to build around brown and Tatum or build around Kyrie and Horford but having both of these timelines wasn’t working. Well we are in same boat now with a mix of 2-3 different timelines going on at the same time. If we just did the draft and went young and built around Brown,Smart, and Tatum I would have been far more excited about this team.