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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2019, 12:45:18 AM »

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I just want to say no, no, no. Also no and no, and no way. Come to think of it - no, no ****ing way, **** no, no, and no.
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2019, 02:13:18 AM »

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yall want to deal with Lavar?

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2019, 08:36:07 AM »

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This a serious thread or?...
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2019, 08:37:55 AM »

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This a serious thread or?...

Yeah, this is not a good idea. I do value Jaylen and would never deal him for an inferior player who can't shoot a lick.

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2019, 08:38:46 AM »

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Talent level is comparable but it would be a far worse fit for the roster so I wouldn't do it. 
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2019, 08:41:41 AM »

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I just want to say no, no, no. Also no and no, and no way. Come to think of it - no, no ****ing way, **** no, no, and no.

How do you really feel?

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2019, 10:12:47 AM »

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I'm going to basically state reasons why this is a terrible idea.

1) Lonzo is has played in 52/47 games the past two years. That is borderline awful.... You cannot depend on him to stay in games, nor can he even close out games, because he's shooting 43.7% from the free throw line! Even Rondo, someone we notoriously hated on constantly for his lack of FT %, was shooting at least 10-20% better in all of his seasons with the Celtics. His worst year was 39.7% and I believe he was playing through a recent surgery of his hand.

2) The drama that comes along with LaVar Ball is not worth it. Also someone mentioned if LaMelo was apart of the package deal, you would do it. Why? Lonzo & LaMelo have the worst shooting forms I've ever seen, and LaVar is certainly a huge reason to blame for that. The way they shoot wasn't conductive to NBA success, and it doesn't bode well for their bodies. They would need to re-vamp and basically restructure their entire shooting forms.

3) Lonzo cannot shoot, cannot score from the FT line, and his passing while amazing is only served best on the fast break. His passing vision is great, but what's the point if people are just going to give you space, and force you to shoot? Did I also mention 31.5% from the 3 while taking about 5 3PA per game? That's just awful.

Talent level is comparable but it would be a far worse fit for the roster so I wouldn't do it.

And how did you come to this conclusion...?

In what universe is Ball even anywhere as talented as Brown? Brown may not have the best handles, or BBIQ, but he's certainly played more games, be a consistent contributor to a contender, can space the floor, and has better vertical/athleticism.

Honestly, besides passing, and handling, what does Ball even do better than Brown?
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2019, 10:44:02 AM »

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I'm going to basically state reasons why this is a terrible idea.

1) Lonzo is has played in 52/47 games the past two years. That is borderline awful.... You cannot depend on him to stay in games, nor can he even close out games, because he's shooting 43.7% from the free throw line! Even Rondo, someone we notoriously hated on constantly for his lack of FT %, was shooting at least 10-20% better in all of his seasons with the Celtics. His worst year was 39.7% and I believe he was playing through a recent surgery of his hand.

2) The drama that comes along with LaVar Ball is not worth it. Also someone mentioned if LaMelo was apart of the package deal, you would do it. Why? Lonzo & LaMelo have the worst shooting forms I've ever seen, and LaVar is certainly a huge reason to blame for that. The way they shoot wasn't conductive to NBA success, and it doesn't bode well for their bodies. They would need to re-vamp and basically restructure their entire shooting forms.

3) Lonzo cannot shoot, cannot score from the FT line, and his passing while amazing is only served best on the fast break. His passing vision is great, but what's the point if people are just going to give you space, and force you to shoot? Did I also mention 31.5% from the 3 while taking about 5 3PA per game? That's just awful.

Talent level is comparable but it would be a far worse fit for the roster so I wouldn't do it.

And how did you come to this conclusion...?

In what universe is Ball even anywhere as talented as Brown? Brown may not have the best handles, or BBIQ, but he's certainly played more games, be a consistent contributor to a contender, can space the floor, and has better vertical/athleticism.

Honestly, besides passing, and handling, what does Ball even do better than Brown?
You do know that I said that they'd need to add LaMelo and multiple picks while we only give up Brown right? And LaMelo is a pretty interesting prospect, he's a 6'7 PG who can take and make contested shots even though his form is ****.
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2019, 11:17:40 AM »

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I'm going to basically state reasons why this is a terrible idea.

1) Lonzo is has played in 52/47 games the past two years. That is borderline awful.... You cannot depend on him to stay in games, nor can he even close out games, because he's shooting 43.7% from the free throw line! Even Rondo, someone we notoriously hated on constantly for his lack of FT %, was shooting at least 10-20% better in all of his seasons with the Celtics. His worst year was 39.7% and I believe he was playing through a recent surgery of his hand.

2) The drama that comes along with LaVar Ball is not worth it. Also someone mentioned if LaMelo was apart of the package deal, you would do it. Why? Lonzo & LaMelo have the worst shooting forms I've ever seen, and LaVar is certainly a huge reason to blame for that. The way they shoot wasn't conductive to NBA success, and it doesn't bode well for their bodies. They would need to re-vamp and basically restructure their entire shooting forms.

3) Lonzo cannot shoot, cannot score from the FT line, and his passing while amazing is only served best on the fast break. His passing vision is great, but what's the point if people are just going to give you space, and force you to shoot? Did I also mention 31.5% from the 3 while taking about 5 3PA per game? That's just awful.

Talent level is comparable but it would be a far worse fit for the roster so I wouldn't do it.

And how did you come to this conclusion...?

In what universe is Ball even anywhere as talented as Brown? Brown may not have the best handles, or BBIQ, but he's certainly played more games, be a consistent contributor to a contender, can space the floor, and has better vertical/athleticism.

Honestly, besides passing, and handling, what does Ball even do better than Brown?
You do know that I said that they'd need to add LaMelo and multiple picks while we only give up Brown right? And LaMelo is a pretty interesting prospect, he's a 6'7 PG who can take and make contested shots even though his form is ****.

Still wouldn't do it... Most players with terrible shooting forms rarely translate to the NBA... Not worth the father's headache, nor the chemistry that might be up and down.
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2019, 11:36:26 AM »

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Langford + pick , and  other "none top " Five celtics players for Lavars son Lonzo

I have more faith in Ball .  I think he would work nice with what CBS is trying to do. 

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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2019, 11:38:27 AM »

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yall want to deal with Lavar?

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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2019, 12:32:53 PM »

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Talent level is comparable but it would be a far worse fit for the roster so I wouldn't do it.

And how did you come to this conclusion...?

In what universe is Ball even anywhere as talented as Brown? Brown may not have the best handles, or BBIQ, but he's certainly played more games, be a consistent contributor to a contender, can space the floor, and has better vertical/athleticism.

Honestly, besides passing, and handling, what does Ball even do better than Brown?
The Lakers were a better team with Ball then without Ball playing in a very large part because he is an excellent defender, rebounder, and passer.  He is never going to be a great scorer or shooter, but he did show improvement and got up to 33% on 5 3's a game (that is enough to keep opposing teams honest, though like Smart did for awhile he shoots too much).  Clearly needs to improve his FT shooting, work more on his shooting overall, and cut down his turnovers, but he absolutely impacts the game in a lot more ways than Brown does. 

Brown will never be a primary ball handler.  He is a terrible passer (even for his position).  He is a subpar rebounder.  He is a good, but not great shooter and scorer.  Brown is far more consistent, healthier, and right now a much better shooter/scorer, which is why I think the value comparison is close, but I suspect quite a few teams would rather have Ball than Brown (at least on the court, the off court stuff is another issue).  I just don't see the reason to intentionally get smaller when the team already has Walker and Smart.  The fit just isn't there.
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2019, 01:11:18 PM »

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Talent level is comparable but it would be a far worse fit for the roster so I wouldn't do it.

And how did you come to this conclusion...?

In what universe is Ball even anywhere as talented as Brown? Brown may not have the best handles, or BBIQ, but he's certainly played more games, be a consistent contributor to a contender, can space the floor, and has better vertical/athleticism.

Honestly, besides passing, and handling, what does Ball even do better than Brown?
The Lakers were a better team with Ball then without Ball playing in a very large part because he is an excellent defender, rebounder, and passer.  He is never going to be a great scorer or shooter, but he did show improvement and got up to 33% on 5 3's a game (that is enough to keep opposing teams honest, though like Smart did for awhile he shoots too much).  Clearly needs to improve his FT shooting, work more on his shooting overall, and cut down his turnovers, but he absolutely impacts the game in a lot more ways than Brown does. 

Brown will never be a primary ball handler.  He is a terrible passer (even for his position).  He is a subpar rebounder.  He is a good, but not great shooter and scorer.  Brown is far more consistent, healthier, and right now a much better shooter/scorer, which is why I think the value comparison is close, but I suspect quite a few teams would rather have Ball than Brown (at least on the court, the off court stuff is another issue).  I just don't see the reason to intentionally get smaller when the team already has Walker and Smart.  The fit just isn't there.

Brown is not a terrible passer. His role on the team so far limits his iso opportunities, and so he isn't in a position to do a lot of driving and dishing, but he's a considerably better passer than Tatum is. He's average now and improving. I'd expect him to be above average in his prime.

I think he could be any kind of rebounder the team wants him to be. As a defender, the thing he does better than almost anyone in the league is cover large amounts of perimeter space and pressure 3 point shots without fouling very often. He does this without getting beat off the dribble. Playing that outward leaning defense does limit his rebounding.

I doubt you could find 5 GM's in the league that would rather have Ball.



Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2019, 02:45:14 PM »

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I think Lonzo's stock is lower than it should be.  He's had injuries, but also his first two seasons in the league have been on teams where he's been misused and had poorly fitting surrounding pieces.  He will need good pieces around him to thrive, but I think he will thrive when that happens.

But where we just locked down a max contract point guard for the next 4 years, the fit just isn't here for him.  So I say no.
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2019, 03:43:34 PM »

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First thought is not for Ball but it does make some sense, is he really that good on D?

My thought as well - Since when did Lonzo Ball become a better (and tougher) defender than Jaylen Brown ?
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