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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2019, 12:08:57 PM »

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Ball's a lock down defender? I really think Jaylen is the better defender than Ball and Jaylen is better on offense too. What was the question?

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2019, 12:37:07 PM »

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Ball's a lock down defender? I really think Jaylen is the better defender than Ball and Jaylen is better on offense too. What was the question?
that's what immediately popped into my head too when I read that proposal and reasoning.  that and the trade is outrageously awful for the C's

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2019, 12:40:10 PM »

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I am just going to say no. 

I think Brown is the better player, better fit and (if it came to this) the better trade chip.

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2019, 01:34:10 PM »

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First thought is not for Ball but it does make some sense, is he really that good on D?

Yes, he has really come a long way with his defense, he’s long and tries extremely hard on that end of the floor.

I still would not do that trade, build around Tatum, Smart, and Brown.  If there is another way to get Ball I would be in favor of doing it though. 
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2019, 01:53:26 PM »

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- ... a wing who is redundant relative to Tatum...

Can't agree with that. I think that they're very complementary. Both can guard up or down, Brown can take the quicker wing, both can spot up... etc.

- We lose a better scorer in Brown, but Ball is superior defensively and certainly at passing.

Ball is a very good defender but not better than Brown.

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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2019, 01:56:19 PM »

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Ball needs to show he can shoot in a functional matter and stay on the court before I'd invest anything in him.

He's shown flashes of talent and productivity, but you can't have a TS .463 and be a rotation player.

Not to mention how terrible he is at free throws!
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2019, 02:40:34 PM »

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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2019, 02:53:21 PM »

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Ball needs to show he can shoot in a functional matter and stay on the court before I'd invest anything in him.

He's shown flashes of talent and productivity, but you can't have a TS .463 and be a rotation player.

Not to mention how terrible he is at free throws!
He's also entering the Rondo/Drummond zone where he doesn't want to get fouled to go to the line. Which is incredibly destructive to your offense from a ball handler or big man. (Drummond has been better since he improved as a FT shooter)

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2019, 02:58:08 PM »

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Goodness, no. I don't want Ball in a Celtics uniform. Ever.
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2019, 04:22:13 PM »

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No, just no....lol

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2019, 05:38:44 PM »

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Ugh..bad trade
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2019, 10:02:17 PM »

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I sincerely apologize if the pseudo-intellectualism joke was offensive. Did not mean to offend. Was intended as some light humor about the combined departure of Brown and Kyrie, who may have not got along since they’re so much alike in personality?

I’m surprised people are so down on Ball. He’s got potential to be every bit as good as Simmons IMHO. I love a pass-first PG who can defend. John Stockton is possibly my all-time favorite non-Celtic.

There’s only one ball and we’ve got Kemba, Tatum and Hayward. I just think Brown is the odd man out if we can trade him for a potentially AAA PG who’s got two years left on his rookie deal.

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2019, 10:28:14 PM »

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I sincerely apologize if the pseudo-intellectualism joke was offensive. Did not mean to offend. Was intended as some light humor about the combined departure of Brown and Kyrie, who may have not got along since they’re so much alike in personality?

I’m surprised people are so down on Ball. He’s got potential to be every bit as good as Simmons IMHO. I love a pass-first PG who can defend. John Stockton is possibly my all-time favorite non-Celtic.

There’s only one ball and we’ve got Kemba, Tatum and Hayward. I just think Brown is the odd man out if we can trade him for a potentially AAA PG who’s got two years left on his rookie deal.
I think you're massively overlooking just how injury-prone Ball has been. Kyrie Irving was more durable at the start of his career, and everyone thought he was very fragile.

Plus, guys like Stockton had career TS%'s around 14 points higher than Lonzo. He is a complete game-breaker because he cannot score
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Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2019, 10:53:43 PM »

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Brown can play offense and defense. Pass.

Re: Ball for Brown?
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2019, 12:20:49 AM »

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Brown can play offense and defense. Pass.

I think the trade has to be Ball, Hayes and Alexander-Walker...

 

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