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Who ends up as 4th option

Kemba Walker
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Gordon Hayward

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Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2019, 04:44:43 PM »

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The data that LilRip provided shows that the top 4 scorers on these good teams range from 57 to 83 with an average of 75 pts.  I think for this roster, the top 4 scorers should be on the upper end of the range so say 78 pts/gm.  The top 4 for next season are expected to be Kemba (25.6 pts last season), Tatum (15.7), Brown (13.0) and Hayward (11.5) and totaled about 66 pts/game last season.  (Actually, the top four the Celtics were Irving, Hayward, Morris, Horford and totaled 67 pts)

By my analysis, that means there are 12 more points for these top 4, not less.  I hope that Kemba comes down, call him 20 pts although I think he could be very good on very efficient and be more like 18 or 19.  That leaves 58 pts/gm for the other 3 (19 each).  I don't see the problem, even if Kemba is more like 22 or 24 and the other 3 are in the 18 range.

The individual averages are skewed because nobody plays 82 games.  The individual averages end up being higher and you really can't think of them as in aggregate.  For example, last season the top 10 Celtics players averaged 122.5 in aggregate.  The total of the individual averages will not equal the average per game for the team, unless every player plays exactly 82 games.  Each time a player plays less than 82, it skews things.  But looking at the teams from history, you can see what a good target is, even if it seems high.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 05:07:44 PM »

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hayward sacrafices.

Tatum and brown deserve shots and need to get them.

Next, imo, is Kemba. Starting pg, brads system of getting pgs rolling...expect a big year from Walker.
They don't deserve shots, they have to earn them, just like their extensions

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 07:27:57 PM »

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Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 07:33:45 PM »

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With Mook, Al, Rozier and Baynes gone I don't think the need to "sacrifice" will be there
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Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 07:38:18 PM »

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Hopefully based on last year

Kemba's overall total followed by Tatum's bad 2s.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2019, 07:41:23 PM »

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No one has to sacrifice. Horford/Rozier/Morris aren’t here any more. That’s like 30 shot attempts that basically get spread to those guys because the rest of the team can’t create offense we’ll individually. I fully expect all these guys to have good years.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2019, 08:18:26 PM »

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Jaylen is going to be the one lose out because (1) he is the least aggressive / assertive on offense -- so all the other guys are going to make sure they get theirs before he gets a chance to get his (2) he is the least able one-on-one player which leads to him being off the ball the most out of the four players.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2019, 08:39:51 PM »

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No one has to sacrifice. Horford/Rozier/Morris aren’t here any more. That’s like 30 shot attempts that basically get spread to those guys because the rest of the team can’t create offense we’ll individually. I fully expect all these guys to have good years.

Kanter shoots more often than any of those guys, in terms of usage.

Not saying there will be an issue with our primary guys, but I hope Kanter dials it back a bit. It's really my only concern on this issue of whether the top 4 get enough shots.

I do agree about all of them having good years, I think we will exceed expectations, at least relative to the doom-and-gloomers.


Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2019, 09:09:47 PM »

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No one has to sacrifice. Horford/Rozier/Morris aren’t here any more. That’s like 30 shot attempts that basically get spread to those guys because the rest of the team can’t create offense we’ll individually. I fully expect all these guys to have good years.

Kanter shoots more often than any of those guys, in terms of usage.

Not saying there will be an issue with our primary guys, but I hope Kanter dials it back a bit. It's really my only concern on this issue of whether the top 4 get enough shots.

I do agree about all of them having good years, I think we will exceed expectations, at least relative to the doom-and-gloomers.

I haven't looked it up but aren't a lot of kanter's shots putbacks from rb? if they were, that wouldn't be taking shots, that would just be him getting extra shots that we weren't getting last season.

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Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2019, 09:19:27 PM »

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Funny enough I actually think Kemba.

He's the only guy on the team who is going from a weak team where he was the center of everything offensively, to a relatively stacked starting lineup with 5 guys who can all score the ball.

There will be nowhere near as much NEED for Kemba to score, and as such I think his shots will go down and efficiency will go up.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2019, 09:28:52 PM »

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Funny enough I actually think Kemba.

He's the only guy on the team who is going from a weak team where he was the center of everything offensively, to a relatively stacked starting lineup with 5 guys who can all score the ball.

There will be nowhere near as much NEED for Kemba to score, and as such I think his shots will go down and efficiency will go up.

But I think he'll be ok with that and be perfect for it.
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Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2019, 09:31:59 PM »

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Walker needs to lead by example by getting others involved and not try to average 25 a game. He has to heal this somewhat damaged group of players.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2019, 09:43:53 PM »

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I voted Hayward is the best play maker so he can sacrifice scoring.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2019, 10:10:45 PM »

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No one has to sacrifice. Horford/Rozier/Morris aren’t here any more. That’s like 30 shot attempts that basically get spread to those guys because the rest of the team can’t create offense we’ll individually. I fully expect all these guys to have good years.

Kanter shoots more often than any of those guys, in terms of usage.

Not saying there will be an issue with our primary guys, but I hope Kanter dials it back a bit. It's really my only concern on this issue of whether the top 4 get enough shots.

I do agree about all of them having good years, I think we will exceed expectations, at least relative to the doom-and-gloomers.

I haven't looked it up but aren't a lot of kanter's shots putbacks from rb? if they were, that wouldn't be taking shots, that would just be him getting extra shots that we weren't getting last season.

Per-36 he averages about 5 OR and 15 FGA, so he's shooting at many other times.

For comparison Horford, the guy he replaces, has been at around 2 OR and 11 FGA per-36.

Re: Who makes the biggest sacrifice in scoring?
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2019, 01:10:31 AM »

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I think Hayward will sacrifice the most, because he's an unselfish player who is happy contributing in many other ways. He also understands he's gotten paid and Tatum and JB are trying to get paid. He'll be happy to feed them the ball so they can hit their numbers. It'll be a shame when the usual "oh but a $30m player needs to average 25ppg" crowd gets stuck into him because of it.
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