Hayward great this year. Leaves next year?

[dreamgreen]

I think Hayward would have an honest conversation with them so there would be no reason to make a bad move. I'm betting he wants to stay.

[jambr380]

If he plays up to par I see no reason that Danny wouldn’t extend him with another max deal when he’s already maxed him once.

Might as well get actual value for him this time around. I have thought about the OP's scenario, too, and it would be a bummer, but not a whole lot we can do. We will need to pay Jaylen and Tatum in upcoming years, that will play a factor, too.

As for the Al stuff, he strictly went for the money. Whatever, I guess, but our team with Al is just as much of a contender as Philly with Al. It certainly was a championship move.

[tazzmaniac]

I think he takes a paycut to try to win with stevens

He already got plenty of money. He doesn't seem like the money hungry. Lets be honest, at this point he wants to win and with his coach, they have unfinished business.. Money doesn't buy that

couldn’t be further from the truth, and i don’t blame him, if he can get it that means he deserves it

That couldn't be further from the truth too.

that if he can get it then he deserves it?  what someone can earn is what they deserve (at least according to the team who offers)

Teams often knowingly overpay based on their situation.  Wiggins and the TWolves is a perfect example.  The TWolves owner openly, and rightly so, questioned whether Wiggins was worth a Max contract but in the end he ended up giving Wiggins his Max.       

[tazzmaniac]

If he plays up to par I see no reason that Danny wouldn’t extend him with another max deal when he’s already maxed him once.

Might as well get actual value for him this time around. I have thought about the OP's scenario, too, and it would be a bummer, but not a whole lot we can do. We will need to pay Jaylen and Tatum in upcoming years, that will play a factor, too.

As for the Al stuff, he strictly went for the money. Whatever, I guess, but our team with Al is just as much of a contender as Philly with Al. It certainly was a championship move.

Money was the key motivator but it wasn't the only motivator.  The Sixers being a contender and planning to play him at PF contributed to the decision. 

[JBcat]

If he plays up to par I see no reason that Danny wouldn’t extend him with another max deal when he’s already maxed him once.

Might as well get actual value for him this time around. I have thought about the OP's scenario, too, and it would be a bummer, but not a whole lot we can do. We will need to pay Jaylen and Tatum in upcoming years, that will play a factor, too.

As for the Al stuff, he strictly went for the money. Whatever, I guess, but our team with Al is just as much of a contender as Philly with Al. It certainly was a championship move.

If Hayward returns to his old form I’d feel a lot more comfortable extending him for near max or maybe max money for a 4 year deal at around age 30 than what Horford got at age 33. 

[Green-18]

If he plays up to par I see no reason that Danny wouldn’t extend him with another max deal when he’s already maxed him once.

Exactly my thoughts.  Adding to that, I think it's very likely the Celtics will surpass expectations if Hayward returns to form.  At that point an extension will make complete sense for both sides.   

There's obviously a lot of questions that need to be answered next season.  It will be interesting to see how things shake out for Jaylen Brown.  Barring a blockbuster trade this summer, or an in-season trade, I think it's likely that the Celtics will match any contract offer next off-season.  This doesn't necessarily mean they wont move him at a later date.

The 2021 off-season is where some tough calls might need to be made.  Tatum will be due for a big extension.  The Celtics will definitely become a luxury tax team if they are paying Kemba, Hayward, Brown, and Tatum.  Hopefully Brown and Tatum have become All-Stars by this point.     

 

[Evantime34]

Next year's FA class is very weak, if Hayward returns to all-star form he'll get a max 4 year contract offer from other teams.

I agree with this. Which makes me think that trading him at the deadline if he can garner a good return is probably the best move.

 If the C's traded him to Indy I don't think either Brad or Gordon would be upset because Indiana loves Hayward. My hope is that he plays well enough that the C's could get Myles Turner for him without adding much else.

If Hayward is able to show that he can excel next to Jaylen and Jayson then I wouldn't hesitate to bring him back at a contract as high as the max.

The OP suggested 19/3/3, I expect 20/5/5 this year.

[knuckleballer]

Next year's FA class is very weak, if Hayward returns to all-star form he'll get a max 4 year contract offer from other teams.

I agree with this. Which makes me think that trading him at the deadline if he can garner a good return is probably the best move.

 If the C's traded him to Indy I don't think either Brad or Gordon would be upset because Indiana loves Hayward. My hope is that he plays well enough that the C's could get Myles Turner for him without adding much else.

If Hayward is able to show that he can excel next to Jaylen and Jayson then I wouldn't hesitate to bring him back at a contract as high as the max.

The OP suggested 19/3/3, I expect 20/5/5 this year.

I'll take 15/5/5.

[saltlover]

So here’s the question: Hayward is extension eligible this summer.  Do you extend him now?  By rule you could give him anything as high as having him opt out and giving him a little bit more next year than he’s currently scheduled to make, with 3 more years and max raises, or as low as a deal that starts at around $20 million with a decreasing salary every year, giving him around what Rozier will earn.

So do you do it, and for how much?

[Green-18]

Next year's FA class is very weak, if Hayward returns to all-star form he'll get a max 4 year contract offer from other teams.

I agree with this. Which makes me think that trading him at the deadline if he can garner a good return is probably the best move.

 If the C's traded him to Indy I don't think either Brad or Gordon would be upset because Indiana loves Hayward. My hope is that he plays well enough that the C's could get Myles Turner for him without adding much else.

If Hayward is able to show that he can excel next to Jaylen and Jayson then I wouldn't hesitate to bring him back at a contract as high as the max.

The OP suggested 19/3/3, I expect 20/5/5 this year.

The only way I see an in-season Hayward trade is if he comes close to reaching his old heights and both of the J's show significant improvement.         

If he completely bounces back to 2017 form, then I expect the Celtics to be near the top of the Conference standings.  Gordon would be our best player, so I doubt that they would move him.

[JBcat]

So here’s the question: Hayward is extension eligible this summer.  Do you extend him now?  By rule you could give him anything as high as having him opt out and giving him a little bit more next year than he’s currently scheduled to make, with 3 more years and max raises, or as low as a deal that starts at around $20 million with a decreasing salary every year, giving him around what Rozier will earn.

So do you do it, and for how much?

I think I would do it for the amount you have, but I’m not sure Hayward would.  He might want to bet on himself returning to what he was pre injury in which case he will get more. 

[Green-18]

So here’s the question: Hayward is extension eligible this summer.  Do you extend him now?  By rule you could give him anything as high as having him opt out and giving him a little bit more next year than he’s currently scheduled to make, with 3 more years and max raises, or as low as a deal that starts at around $20 million with a decreasing salary every year, giving him around what Rozier will earn.

So do you do it, and for how much?

I think I would do it for the amount you have, but I’m not sure Hayward would.  He might want to bet on himself returning to what he was pre injury in which case he will get more.

It would be a no brainer to extend Hayward for Rozier money.  It's a win-win for the Celtics, but like you said, Hayward would never agree to this.  He only needs to be 75-80% of his old self to secure an equal or better deal on the open market.

[Hank Finkel]

I would not extend Hayward.  He has been a total bust.  Not his fault but the injury has made him into a shell of his former self.  I hope he can be serviceable for the remainder of his contract and we move on.  He is not leading us to a championship.  DA needs to take the Hayward the money and use it wisely continue to construct a championship team moving forward. 

[PhoSita]

If Hayward plays anywhere near an All-Star level this year, it would be a no-brainer for him to opt out and chase a 3-4 year max deal next summer.

[celticinorlando]

TBH...I hope this is the case. Boston needs to open up a max slot for 2021 FA's.