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Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« on: July 06, 2019, 01:49:24 PM »

Offline W8ting2McHale

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In the modern NBA superstars team up to win championships.  You know this, they know this. They all know that you can't do it alone.

 Superstars meet at All-Star events and Olympic teams. They bond and make friendships and think "It would be fun to play with that guy and the regular season wouldn't be such a grind."

So how do Tatum and Brown fit in to this, they aren't All-Stars? Well, because they're already laying foundations. Brown has been hosting parties and events for young players, making connections and being an influence. Tatum has been on a couple of rising stars teams and they both played on numerous pre-college all-star teams. They know the Aytons and Jacksons that may one day want to team up and challenge for a championship.

I think that factor is overlooked by all the "trade these guys now" scenarios. These two, becoming home grown stars could be the biggest deciding factor in the Celtics future. Even more so than being stars themselves,  but in recruiting others.

Sure, it's fun to daydream and plan for how to acquire Giannis or KAT, but Jackson or Ayton, or Zion are the future and Brown or Tatum could be why they decide to sign with Boston instead of LA. It certainly won't be because of the sandy beaches.
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 02:22:15 PM »

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We need to Absolutely outright, out in the open, start making this Team about the J's, The same way Dallas is about Luka magic... 
No more Dangling one of both for some guy who obviously doesn't want to be here...

If the Jay's walk because they never felt like this was there team, we are toast...

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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2019, 02:37:29 PM »

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Man, I really hope you mean Jaren Jackson Jr. and not Josh Jackson who was just dumped by Phoenix after only two years.
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 02:48:35 PM »

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Seems like this reasoning can equally justify the Aytons and Jacksons prying Tatum and Brown to their teams.
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 03:23:36 PM »

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Quote from: alt on July 06, 2019, 02:48:35 PM
Seems like this reasoning can equally justify the Aytons and Jacksons prying Tatum and Brown to their teams.

Especially since Brown and Tatum will be UFAs well before the Aytons and Jacksons of the world.

Nothing wrong with networking and staying active throughout the league, though.
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 04:34:08 PM »

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Quote from: obnoxiousmime on July 06, 2019, 02:37:29 PM
Man, I really hope you mean Jaren Jackson Jr. and not Josh Jackson who was just dumped by Phoenix after only two years.

JJJ, exactly,  he's a big, something we'll need now and in the future.
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 04:45:18 PM »

Offline W8ting2McHale

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Quote from: jambr380 on July 06, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
Quote from: alt on July 06, 2019, 02:48:35 PM
Seems like this reasoning can equally justify the Aytons and Jacksons prying Tatum and Brown to their teams.

Especially since Brown and Tatum will be UFAs well before the Aytons and Jacksons of the world.

Nothing wrong with networking and staying active throughout the league, though.

Which is why we should hope they develop into stars here and not someplace else. I like home grown stars and most of the trade proposals are very short sighted. If the Js become stars, I not only hope it's here, but hope they want to resign here and not run to the west coast because the fans need for someone to dump on. Jaylen shouldn't be this year's version of KO.

The next 2 years are very important not only for the next 2 years, but because they could be signing for the next 4-5 years when someone like JJJ or Ayton might start looking for greener pastures.

Wouldn't it be better if they gifted Stevens another super star like Doc got gifted or would you rather have the rug pulled out from under your plans like Ainge and Presti?
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 04:52:19 PM »

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I view Tatum higher than Brown, and probably the one who they will give a big contract to.

It wouldn't surprise me if Brown was traded at some point before his contract year. I doubt they'll pay both. Not with Hayward and Walker at the max. Hayward has a couple years left.
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2019, 04:58:43 PM »

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Quote from: Bobshot on July 06, 2019, 04:52:19 PM
I view Tatum higher than Brown, and probably the one who they will give a big contract to.

It wouldn't surprise me if Brown was traded at some point before his contract year. I doubt they'll pay both. Not with Hayward and Walker at the max. Hayward has a couple years left.
one star will always be higher than the other star

That doesn't make the lower star dispensable
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 12:34:54 PM »

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Quote from: chiken on July 06, 2019, 02:22:15 PM
We need to Absolutely outright, out in the open, start making this Team about the J's, The same way Dallas is about Luka magic... 
No more Dangling one of both for some guy who obviously doesn't want to be here...

If the Jay's walk because they never felt like this was there team, we are toast...

I think they are by their moves. Alot of their regression last year IMO was due to having too many mouths to feed and guys like morris/rozier taking their roles/shots. Now I feel they cleared enough guys who wanted to "get theirs" where there is a clear top 4 with distinct roles. Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Hayward....for scoring

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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2019, 01:30:24 PM »

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I dont think this is a valid point tbh. LeBron was the player in the league who was the most socially active and he eventually left to form a super team.

I don't think we should be worried about it yet. By the time they are at the end of their next contracts it'll be a new CBA and I guarantee it'll be significantly different to this one. I wouldn't rule out a big increase in the max salary to stop everyone heading to the big cities
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2019, 01:59:17 PM »

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Quote from: TheSundanceKid on July 07, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
I dont think this is a valid point tbh. LeBron was the player in the league who was the most socially active and he eventually left to form a super team.

I don't think we should be worried about it yet. By the time they are at the end of their next contracts it'll be a new CBA and I guarantee it'll be significantly different to this one. I wouldn't rule out a big increase in the max salary to stop everyone heading to the big cities

Lebron took the path of least resistance when he found out how hard it was to recruit to Cleveland. Once he made the move to Miami to join D-Wade he didn’t have much trouble at all. Bosh joined up pretty quickly and he didn’t have to bend Ray Allen’s arm too hard.

He’s not having a lot of trouble in LA either. He got his big piece and Rondo was more than happy to give it another go. He didn’t get Kawhi, but he’s still using his influence and network to put his team together.

Boston isn’t a destination city like LA or Miami or even NYC. Brown especially has been building a network of connections. Do you want him to take that influence back home to California like Kawhi did, if he turns into a star, or would you rather he try to build something here. Tradition still means something to some players, but sunshine and money are a stronger pull on others. Boston is a harder sell. It would benefit Ainge to have players that can bring stars to Boston to join what we have here, don’t you think?

If Ainge was working with Doc and the Clippers, he wouldn’t have had any trouble signing Kawhi.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2019, 03:21:08 PM »

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Quote from: W8ting2McHale on July 07, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: TheSundanceKid on July 07, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
I dont think this is a valid point tbh. LeBron was the player in the league who was the most socially active and he eventually left to form a super team.

I don't think we should be worried about it yet. By the time they are at the end of their next contracts it'll be a new CBA and I guarantee it'll be significantly different to this one. I wouldn't rule out a big increase in the max salary to stop everyone heading to the big cities

Lebron took the path of least resistance when he found out how hard it was to recruit to Cleveland. Once he made the move to Miami to join D-Wade he didn’t have much trouble at all. Bosh joined up pretty quickly and he didn’t have to bend Ray Allen’s arm too hard.

He’s not having a lot of trouble in LA either. He got his big piece and Rondo was more than happy to give it another go. He didn’t get Kawhi, but he’s still using his influence and network to put his team together.

Boston isn’t a destination city like LA or Miami or even NYC. Brown especially has been building a network of connections. Do you want him to take that influence back home to California like Kawhi did, if he turns into a star, or would you rather he try to build something here. Tradition still means something to some players, but sunshine and money are a stronger pull on others. Boston is a harder sell. It would benefit Ainge to have players that can bring stars to Boston to join what we have here, don’t you think?

If Ainge was working with Doc and the Clippers, he wouldn’t have had any trouble signing Kawhi.
Brown is liked by no one, he is a weird-do in nature, barked and pushed by multiple teammates on the court and can't go alone with Kyrie, openly disagrees Danny and Brad's decision , he is close to almost no one off the court(Tatum only because they are drafted close)
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2019, 03:32:24 PM »

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Quote from: playdream on July 07, 2019, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: W8ting2McHale on July 07, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: TheSundanceKid on July 07, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
I dont think this is a valid point tbh. LeBron was the player in the league who was the most socially active and he eventually left to form a super team.

I don't think we should be worried about it yet. By the time they are at the end of their next contracts it'll be a new CBA and I guarantee it'll be significantly different to this one. I wouldn't rule out a big increase in the max salary to stop everyone heading to the big cities

Lebron took the path of least resistance when he found out how hard it was to recruit to Cleveland. Once he made the move to Miami to join D-Wade he didn’t have much trouble at all. Bosh joined up pretty quickly and he didn’t have to bend Ray Allen’s arm too hard.

He’s not having a lot of trouble in LA either. He got his big piece and Rondo was more than happy to give it another go. He didn’t get Kawhi, but he’s still using his influence and network to put his team together.

Boston isn’t a destination city like LA or Miami or even NYC. Brown especially has been building a network of connections. Do you want him to take that influence back home to California like Kawhi did, if he turns into a star, or would you rather he try to build something here. Tradition still means something to some players, but sunshine and money are a stronger pull on others. Boston is a harder sell. It would benefit Ainge to have players that can bring stars to Boston to join what we have here, don’t you think?

If Ainge was working with Doc and the Clippers, he wouldn’t have had any trouble signing Kawhi.
Brown is liked by no one, he is a weird-do in nature, barked and pushed by multiple teammates on the court and can't go alone with Kyrie, openly disagrees Danny and Brad's decision , he is close to almost no one off the court(Tatum only because they are drafted close)
I don’t think there’s a ton of evidence to support any of this outside of having issues with Irving which honestly seems pretty fair
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Re: Another reason why Tatum and Brown are so important
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2019, 03:51:35 PM »

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Quote from: W8ting2McHale on July 07, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: TheSundanceKid on July 07, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
I dont think this is a valid point tbh. LeBron was the player in the league who was the most socially active and he eventually left to form a super team.

I don't think we should be worried about it yet. By the time they are at the end of their next contracts it'll be a new CBA and I guarantee it'll be significantly different to this one. I wouldn't rule out a big increase in the max salary to stop everyone heading to the big cities

Lebron took the path of least resistance when he found out how hard it was to recruit to Cleveland. Once he made the move to Miami to join D-Wade he didn’t have much trouble at all. Bosh joined up pretty quickly and he didn’t have to bend Ray Allen’s arm too hard.

He’s not having a lot of trouble in LA either. He got his big piece and Rondo was more than happy to give it another go. He didn’t get Kawhi, but he’s still using his influence and network to put his team together.

Boston isn’t a destination city like LA or Miami or even NYC. Brown especially has been building a network of connections. Do you want him to take that influence back home to California like Kawhi did, if he turns into a star, or would you rather he try to build something here. Tradition still means something to some players, but sunshine and money are a stronger pull on others. Boston is a harder sell. It would benefit Ainge to have players that can bring stars to Boston to join what we have here, don’t you think?

If Ainge was working with Doc and the Clippers, he wouldn’t have had any trouble signing Kawhi.

Knicks fans disagree with you.
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