Is Tatum and/or Brown worth the max 5 years 170 million?

[KG Living Legend]

 340 million to extend Tatum and Brown. [dang].

 That's a quarter billion dollars. Plus 90 million. I'll take the change.

[mef730]

Right now I would say Jaylen is more deserving.

I have serious concerns about Tatums motor.  Very serious concerns.

never saw it this way before

is it really a concern? or was it due to a "off" last season

Sleepwalking/coasting through an entire season is certainly a concern for me.  Especially for a 2nd year guy who is supposed to be improving and establishing himself in the league.

From what I remember in Draft Express, motor was a concern back when he was in the lottery.

Mike

[Seymour scagnetti]

Tatum's motor wasn't in question his rookie year, I think he had trouble recognizing his role. Just like a high percentage of the team last year, which , IMO, makes you passive.

[KG Living Legend]

 It's all good. We have plenty of time and opportunity to see what Tatum has got.

 Best guess with Brown from Danny's perspective. He's going to attempt to pay less than 170 for Brown.

 Romeo is certainly leverage over Brown. If Brown demands 170 and Danny is not having it.

 We could see Jaylen get moved for A legit big or a mixed big of assets.

[gouki88]

"Worth" is an interesting discussion. In a vacuum, barring some big leap next season, I feel like most people would right now say no. However, some team would also definitely offer both these guys something like that (in terms of AAV), so Boston sort of has to offer it to them.

If Brown shows more consistent strides towards being the player we all know he can be then no question, you give him the big money. Same with Tatum. Unless they're traded.

[Moranis]

I don't think Brown will be, but I'd be surprised if Tatum didn't progress to the max contract point

[BackDoorCut]

Jaylen will be offered an extension, but it certainly won't be for the max. My guess is somewhere around 4yrs/$90M and Jaylen will probably just wait.

It would probably be smart for the Cs to just match whatever contract another team offers for both players (unless Tatum just blows up this year - Jaylen's extension negotiations will take place this off-season). At the very least, if things aren't working out, they are only on the hook for 4 yrs and 5% raises rather than 5 yrs and 8% raises.

This. The 3% will add up down the road. Tatum may not like this however, he says Danny owes him money for not taking him first.

[LilRip]

Both players will absolutely get offered max deals imo. I don’t know if their output matches the hype but both JB and JT are still highly attractive pieces for the same reason many people here don’t want to trade them out.

[saltlover]

Jaylen will be offered an extension, but it certainly won't be for the max. My guess is somewhere around 4yrs/$90M and Jaylen will probably just wait.

It would probably be smart for the Cs to just match whatever contract another team offers for both players (unless Tatum just blows up this year - Jaylen's extension negotiations will take place this off-season). At the very least, if things aren't working out, they are only on the hook for 4 yrs and 5% raises rather than 5 yrs and 8% raises.

That could be penny wise, pound foolish, as the saying goes.  (One of Danny’s flaws, I think).  If those two are getting the max by another team, they’re not getting offered a straight 4-year deal with raises.  They’re getting offered a 3+1 deal with raises and a 15% trade kicker, so that if you match, and they become the player you want, their contract expires a year early, with them remembering how wouldn’t pony up the first time and probably leaving as UFAs.

If you think they’re going to get the max in free agency, you pretty much give them the max now, as a designated rookie with the 5-year deal, or you trade them to a team that’s willing to max them.  Long run it’s probably cheaper to get them on a 5-year deal on the 25% level than a 3-year deal at the 25% before jumping to 30%.  If you’re not sure that they’re worth the max, and that’s causing you to hedge, again, trade them, because there are teams who are willing to go there.

[droopdog7]

I’m sorry, but I call BS on putting Simmons in the same bucket as as any of the other three guys.  He obviously is flawed but his talent on a different level.

[saltlover]

I’m sorry, but I call BS on putting Simmons in the same bucket as as any of the other three guys.  He obviously is flawed but his talent on a different level.

I don’t disagree, but it’s largely irrelevant as to whether they deserve max contracts.  If there were no max deals, Simmons would be paid the most, so the max might be curtailing his true earning power more.  But they exist, and so max contracts they should all get, although I argue that Brown should get a pseudo-max.

[playdream]

I'm not worried about Tatum being a max player with his work ethic and professionalism

Brown though. his attitude problem and lack of passion in basketball really worries me, can be a potential Westbrook type deal

[saltlover]

I'm not worried about Tatum being a max player with his work ethic and professionalism

Brown though. his attitude problem and lack of passion in basketball really worries me, can be a potential Westbrook type deal

I am SHOCKED that this is what you’d post.  SHOCKED.

[blink]

I'm not worried about Tatum being a max player with his work ethic and professionalism

Brown though. his attitude problem and lack of passion in basketball really worries me, can be a potential Westbrook type deal

I am SHOCKED that this is what you’d post.  SHOCKED.

hahaha, did Jaylen do something to him personally?  gotta be a reason for such irrational hate.

[Moranis]

I’m sorry, but I call BS on putting Simmons in the same bucket as as any of the other three guys.  He obviously is flawed but his talent on a different level.

I don’t disagree, but it’s largely irrelevant as to whether they deserve max contracts.  If there were no max deals, Simmons would be paid the most, so the max might be curtailing his true earning power more.  But they exist, and so max contracts they should all get, although I argue that Brown should get a pseudo-max.

I actually think without an individual max contract they all would get less.  The current system forces max contracts to be offered.  That was one of the reasons I posted a thread about eliminating the individual max contract.  You would pay the true max guys more and many of the "fake" max players wouldn't get paid as much.