Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)

[Who]

Tatum, Brown, Hayward all play the 3. So you play three small forwards, a point guard and a big. What's wrong with that?

Based on what I saw last season, plenty, and that was with Horford as the lone big.  Now the lone big would be Kanter.  I know I am in the minority but I think we need two bigs or at a minimum, a true Big-Wing swing like Morris.

I think part of the problem is that you don't need 3 offensive minded wings on the court with Walker.  There is a diminishing return.  The third wing is redundant and exposes other defensive and rebounding weaknesses.  I can't be more specific than that.  It is just the way that I see it.

Definitely. I completely. Only 1 ball. Not enough for each of them to make the most of their abilities.

[tazzmaniac]

Tatum, Brown, Hayward all play the 3. So you play three small forwards, a point guard and a big. What's wrong with that?

Based on what I saw last season, plenty, and that was with Horford as the lone big.  Now the lone big would be Kanter.  I know I am in the minority but I think we need two bigs or at a minimum, a true Big-Wing swing like Morris.

I think part of the problem is that you don't need 3 offensive minded wings on the court with Walker.  There is a diminishing return.  The third wing is redundant and exposes other defensive and rebounding weaknesses.  I can't be more specific than that.  It is just the way that I see it.

Definitely. I completely. Only 1 ball. Not enough for each of them to make the most of their abilities.

And Brown in his final year is definitely going to feel pressure to prove he's worth 25%Max unless Ainge goes ahead and gives him the extension now. 

[footey]

You don't pay 31 million for Hayward to be a 6th man. He will start.

Yeah, saw these proclamations all last season too and then Hayward came off the bench for most of the season.  I am the opposite.  I hate the idea of playing Tatum out of position (he is not a PF and should not be forced to play PF).  If it means Hayward comes of the bench (or Brown or Tatum off the bench) so be it.  I would actually rather have Tatum off the bench than starting at PF (assuming Hayward plays so well he beats him out).  We could ruin Tatum by trying to force him to be a PF.

I am going to go another direction here; Morris is still available to us through Bird rights.  He is probably the best PF available to us at this point (I know he is more of a swing but has proven to be a capable starting PF).  I am going to assume we sign Morris and Hayward comes off the bench:

Walker
Brown
Tatum
Morris
Kanter

Smart
Hayward
Semi
Theis
Williams

Yabusele
Rookies
Other min. pick ups

Yes, a step back from Irving and Horford but we have to hope there is enough improvement with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Smart and others to offset this.  Hard to be overly excited about this team but they will compete and who knows, if Brown and Tatum make leaps and Hayward really comes back, we could be as good as the team that made the ECF just two seasons ago.

I agree with this sentiment. But I would not bring back Morris. I would start Grant Williams at the power forward and Robert Williams at Center:

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
GWilliams
RWilliams

Bench:
Smart
Edwards
Hayward
Kanter
Semi/Yabu

This is a much stronger defensive team. And you will have great ball movement with G Willliams at the power forward rather than Morris. We need to move on from Morris.

I think Hayward will by into coming off the bench. Let's see how he plays this season. Let him finish games as necessary.  He doesn't have the same ego/contract concerns as Brown and Tatum about starting, from what I can tell. it is more about minutes and consistency in the rotation.

[ozgod]

Tatum, Brown, Hayward all play the 3. So you play three small forwards, a point guard and a big. What's wrong with that?

Based on what I saw last season, plenty, and that was with Horford as the lone big.  Now the lone big would be Kanter.  I know I am in the minority but I think we need two bigs or at a minimum, a true Big-Wing swing like Morris.

I think part of the problem is that you don't need 3 offensive minded wings on the court with Walker.  There is a diminishing return.  The third wing is redundant and exposes other defensive and rebounding weaknesses.  I can't be more specific than that.  It is just the way that I see it.

Definitely. I completely. Only 1 ball. Not enough for each of them to make the most of their abilities.

And Brown in his final year is definitely going to feel pressure to prove he's worth 25%Max unless Ainge goes ahead and gives him the extension now.

Oh God I hope he doesn't start to play like a contract year player and jack up volume shots because he thinks there's more shots to go around now. That's the last thing we need after last year.

[seancally]

Tatum, Brown, Hayward all play the 3. So you play three small forwards, a point guard and a big. What's wrong with that?

Based on what I saw last season, plenty, and that was with Horford as the lone big.  Now the lone big would be Kanter.  I know I am in the minority but I think we need two bigs or at a minimum, a true Big-Wing swing like Morris.

I think part of the problem is that you don't need 3 offensive minded wings on the court with Walker.  There is a diminishing return.  The third wing is redundant and exposes other defensive and rebounding weaknesses.  I can't be more specific than that.  It is just the way that I see it.

Definitely. I completely. Only 1 ball. Not enough for each of them to make the most of their abilities.

And Brown in his final year is definitely going to feel pressure to prove he's worth 25%Max unless Ainge goes ahead and gives him the extension now.

Oh God I hope he doesn't start to play like a contract year player and jack up volume shots because he thinks there's more shots to go around now. That's the last thing we need after last year.

Well if he does, he'll become a showcase piece for a trade.

[Jvalin]

Kemba (30 mins) - Smart (30) - Edwards (8 )
Brown (32)- Langford (16) - vet min
Hayward (28) - Semi - vet min
Tatum (32) - G. Williams (16) - Yabu
Kanter (26) - vet min big (14) - R. Williams (8 )

(or something along these lines)

[Th3M2n]

You don't pay 31 million for Hayward to be a 6th man. He will start.

Yeah, saw these proclamations all last season too and then Hayward came off the bench for most of the season.  I am the opposite.  I hate the idea of playing Tatum out of position (he is not a PF and should not be forced to play PF).  If it means Hayward comes of the bench (or Brown or Tatum off the bench) so be it.  I would actually rather have Tatum off the bench than starting at PF (assuming Hayward plays so well he beats him out).  We could ruin Tatum by trying to force him to be a PF.

I am going to go another direction here; Morris is still available to us through Bird rights.  He is probably the best PF available to us at this point (I know he is more of a swing but has proven to be a capable starting PF).  I am going to assume we sign Morris and Hayward comes off the bench:

Walker
Brown
Tatum
Morris
Kanter

Smart
Hayward
Semi
Theis
Williams

Yabusele
Rookies
Other min. pick ups

Yes, a step back from Irving and Horford but we have to hope there is enough improvement with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Smart and others to offset this.  Hard to be overly excited about this team but they will compete and who knows, if Brown and Tatum make leaps and Hayward really comes back, we could be as good as the team that made the ECF just two seasons ago.

I agree with this sentiment. But I would not bring back Morris. I would start Grant Williams at the power forward and Robert Williams at Center:

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
GWilliams
RWilliams

Bench:
Smart
Edwards
Hayward
Kanter
Semi/Yabu

This is a much stronger defensive team. And you will have great ball movement with G Willliams at the power forward rather than Morris. We need to move on from Morris.

I think Hayward will by into coming off the bench. Let's see how he plays this season. Let him finish games as necessary.  He doesn't have the same ego/contract concerns as Brown and Tatum about starting, from what I can tell. it is more about minutes and consistency in the rotation.

Not a chance in hell Hayward comes off the bench this year.  First year back working through his post injury return...sure

Second year afterwards with a full off-season...not a chance in hell does our MAX player do that...period

[blink]

Kemba (30 mins) - Smart (30) - Edwards (8 )
Brown (32)- Langford (16) - vet min
Hayward (28) - Semi - vet min
Tatum (32) - G. Williams (16) - Yabu
Kanter (26) - vet min big (14) - R. Williams (8 )

(or something along these lines)

That looks pretty reasonable.  I wish DA could have packaged Yabu + some picks to get a better backup big.

[ozgod]

You don't pay 31 million for Hayward to be a 6th man. He will start.

Yeah, saw these proclamations all last season too and then Hayward came off the bench for most of the season.  I am the opposite.  I hate the idea of playing Tatum out of position (he is not a PF and should not be forced to play PF).  If it means Hayward comes of the bench (or Brown or Tatum off the bench) so be it.  I would actually rather have Tatum off the bench than starting at PF (assuming Hayward plays so well he beats him out).  We could ruin Tatum by trying to force him to be a PF.

I am going to go another direction here; Morris is still available to us through Bird rights.  He is probably the best PF available to us at this point (I know he is more of a swing but has proven to be a capable starting PF).  I am going to assume we sign Morris and Hayward comes off the bench:

Walker
Brown
Tatum
Morris
Kanter

Smart
Hayward
Semi
Theis
Williams

Yabusele
Rookies
Other min. pick ups

Yes, a step back from Irving and Horford but we have to hope there is enough improvement with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Smart and others to offset this.  Hard to be overly excited about this team but they will compete and who knows, if Brown and Tatum make leaps and Hayward really comes back, we could be as good as the team that made the ECF just two seasons ago.

I agree with this sentiment. But I would not bring back Morris. I would start Grant Williams at the power forward and Robert Williams at Center:

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
GWilliams
RWilliams

Bench:
Smart
Edwards
Hayward
Kanter
Semi/Yabu

This is a much stronger defensive team. And you will have great ball movement with G Willliams at the power forward rather than Morris. We need to move on from Morris.

I think Hayward will by into coming off the bench. Let's see how he plays this season. Let him finish games as necessary.  He doesn't have the same ego/contract concerns as Brown and Tatum about starting, from what I can tell. it is more about minutes and consistency in the rotation.

Not a chance in hell Hayward comes off the bench this year.  First year back working through his post injury return...sure

Second year afterwards with a full off-season...not a chance in hell does our MAX player do that...period

If our max player getting paid $35m is coming off the bench in year 2 of his comeback and year 3 of his contract while a rookie picked #22 starts, there's something seriously wrong and we should be looking to ship him out ASAP.

[wiley]

You don't pay 31 million for Hayward to be a 6th man. He will start.

Yeah, saw these proclamations all last season too and then Hayward came off the bench for most of the season.  I am the opposite.  I hate the idea of playing Tatum out of position (he is not a PF and should not be forced to play PF).  If it means Hayward comes of the bench (or Brown or Tatum off the bench) so be it.  I would actually rather have Tatum off the bench than starting at PF (assuming Hayward plays so well he beats him out).  We could ruin Tatum by trying to force him to be a PF.

I am going to go another direction here; Morris is still available to us through Bird rights.  He is probably the best PF available to us at this point (I know he is more of a swing but has proven to be a capable starting PF).  I am going to assume we sign Morris and Hayward comes off the bench:

Walker
Brown
Tatum
Morris
Kanter

Smart
Hayward
Semi
Theis
Williams

Yabusele
Rookies
Other min. pick ups

Yes, a step back from Irving and Horford but we have to hope there is enough improvement with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Smart and others to offset this.  Hard to be overly excited about this team but they will compete and who knows, if Brown and Tatum make leaps and Hayward really comes back, we could be as good as the team that made the ECF just two seasons ago.

I agree with this sentiment. But I would not bring back Morris. I would start Grant Williams at the power forward and Robert Williams at Center:

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
GWilliams
RWilliams

Bench:
Smart
Edwards
Hayward
Kanter
Semi/Yabu

This is a much stronger defensive team. And you will have great ball movement with G Willliams at the power forward rather than Morris. We need to move on from Morris.

I think Hayward will by into coming off the bench. Let's see how he plays this season. Let him finish games as necessary.  He doesn't have the same ego/contract concerns as Brown and Tatum about starting, from what I can tell. it is more about minutes and consistency in the rotation.

Agree with your lineup almost completely Footey!  Except I'd have Kanter starting....with Semi next to R Williams as bench bigs. Then of course keeping an eye on Edwards/Langford. There's no guarantee Edwards can beat Langford on the totem pole...er depth chart....forgetting the usual word.

Walker, Smart,           Edwards
Brown, Smart,           Langford, Edwards
Tatum, Hayward,        Brown, Semi
G. Williams, Semi,     (Hayward/Tatum)
Kanter, R. Williams,    (theis), Yabu

[Fafnir]

Kemba (30 mins) - Smart (30) - Edwards (8 )
Brown (32)- Langford (16) - vet min
Hayward (28) - Semi - vet min
Tatum (32) - G. Williams (16) - Yabu
Kanter (26) - vet min big (14) - R. Williams (8 )

(or something along these lines)

That looks pretty reasonable.  I wish DA could have packaged Yabu + some picks to get a better backup big.

Uh guys, we don't have a surplus of picks anymore.

We just have the Bucks and the Memphis pick, a fake ATL second rounder (only if 56-60), and our own.

[PAOBoston]

Just saw on Twitter that the Heat and Cs May be getting meetings with Boogie Cousins. No idea how legit this guy is.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1145862954929311744?s=21

[blink]

Kemba (30 mins) - Smart (30) - Edwards (8 )
Brown (32)- Langford (16) - vet min
Hayward (28) - Semi - vet min
Tatum (32) - G. Williams (16) - Yabu
Kanter (26) - vet min big (14) - R. Williams (8 )

(or something along these lines)

That looks pretty reasonable.  I wish DA could have packaged Yabu + some picks to get a better backup big.

Uh guys, we don't have a surplus of picks anymore.

We just have the Bucks and the Memphis pick, a fake ATL second rounder (only if 56-60), and our own.

Could have = past tense
We had a bunch of picks in this years draft.  Ie just a few days ago. And no I wasn’t suggesting trading the Memphis pick either.

[byennie]

Kemba (30 mins) - Smart (30) - Edwards (8 )
Brown (32)- Langford (16) - vet min
Hayward (28) - Semi - vet min
Tatum (32) - G. Williams (16) - Yabu
Kanter (26) - vet min big (14) - R. Williams (8 )

(or something along these lines)

That looks pretty reasonable.  I wish DA could have packaged Yabu + some picks to get a better backup big.

Uh guys, we don't have a surplus of picks anymore.

We just have the Bucks and the Memphis pick, a fake ATL second rounder (only if 56-60), and our own.

How many more than 3 1sts do we need to have a surplus 😀?

[jay]

How bad is Dario Saric on defense? No way he and Kanter could be on the same team?

I just saw his salary matched up close to Yabusele -maybe worth a look. Would take a draft pick of some sort?