Rumor: Celtics reportedly trying to be 3rd team in 76ers/Rockets trade

[Muzzy66]

i trade Smart in a second..think im only one who doesnt care for him

You absolutely are not - I'm right there with you lol

Ironically this is EXACTLY the idea I thought up this morning and brought up in one of the threads.  Except that to my knowledge none of those three teams have cap space, so my idea was:

* Boston sends Gordon Hayward to Philly ($32,700,690)
* Philly sends Jimmy Butler to Houston in S&T
* Houston sends Clint Capella ($16,896,552) and PJ Tucker ($8,349,039) and Nene ($3,825,360) to Boston

Philly would be taking a gamble on Hayward - but if he proves healthy and returns to form, he'd be a PERFECT fit there.
 His outside shooting ability is exactly what Philly needs, and he has a modest enough ego that he will probably have no problems taking a #3 role next to Embiid and Simmons.    If it doesn't work out, then he becomes an expiring contract next season so the risk isn't THAT high. 

Houston gets their man in Butler.

Boston picks up a young starting calibre center who is locked in to a bargain contract for the next 3-4 years, and a serviceable and versatile role player in Tucker.

Boston could then move forward with a starting 5 of:

Clint Capella
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Kemba Walker

That's godawful for the Sixers.  The Sixers would be much better off just losing Butler and using all that cap space that is freed up.

Are you saying it's awful for the Sixers if they get the 11 / 4 / 3 version of Hayward that Boston had last season?

Or do you feel it's awful for the Sixers even if they get the 20 / 5 / 3 version of Gordon Hayward that was playing for 3 years prior to him signing with Boston?

It seems pretty clear to me that thee Sixers are highly motivated to try and win RIGHT NOW.  They do not look to me like a team that is happy with making slow gradual progress over the next 3-4 years. 

If they are able to retain Tobias Harris and JJ Reddick, then they have a starting 5 of Simmons, Reddick, Harris and Embiid.  That starting lineup plus some random role player is absolutely NOT going to keep up with teams like Milwaukee or Toronto in the East. 

If they want to compete, they need to replace Butler with a wing who is at least borderline All-Star level.  If you strike out Kawhi and Durant (neither of whom likely have any interest in Philly) then the list gets pretty thin.   Kris Middleton is one name that comes to mind, but why leave Bucks to go to 76ers?  It's a sideways move at best.

Hayward might be a bit of a gamble due to health, but when he is healthy he is a proven All-Star caliber player, which is exactly what Philly needs.  And a trio of Reddick, Hayward and Harris gives enough outside shooting to create space for Simmons and Embiid to work in the paint.  And it's only a short term commitment, so it's not like they are trying themselves up with bad cap money for years to come. 

Personally, I don't feel it's a terrible move for them - especially in a year where the league is so wide open.

Curious to hear why you think it would be so bad for them?

[Silky]

i trade Smart in a second..think im only one who doesnt care for him

You absolutely are not - I'm right there with you lol

Ironically this is EXACTLY the idea I thought up this morning and brought up in one of the threads.  Except that to my knowledge none of those three teams have cap space, so my idea was:

* Boston sends Gordon Hayward to Philly ($32,700,690)
* Philly sends Jimmy Butler to Houston in S&T
* Houston sends Clint Capella ($16,896,552) and PJ Tucker ($8,349,039) and Nene ($3,825,360) to Boston

Philly would be taking a gamble on Hayward - but if he proves healthy and returns to form, he'd be a PERFECT fit there.
 His outside shooting ability is exactly what Philly needs, and he has a modest enough ego that he will probably have no problems taking a #3 role next to Embiid and Simmons.    If it doesn't work out, then he becomes an expiring contract next season so the risk isn't THAT high. 

Houston gets their man in Butler.

Boston picks up a young starting calibre center who is locked in to a bargain contract for the next 3-4 years, and a serviceable and versatile role player in Tucker.

Boston could then move forward with a starting 5 of:

Clint Capella
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Kemba Walker

That's godawful for the Sixers.  The Sixers would be much better off just losing Butler and using all that cap space that is freed up.

Are you saying it's awful for the Sixers if they get the 11 / 4 / 3 version of Hayward that Boston had last season?

Or do you feel it's awful for the Sixers even if they get the 20 / 5 / 3 version of Gordon Hayward that was playing for 3 years prior to him signing with Boston?

It seems pretty clear to me that thee Sixers are highly motivated to try and win RIGHT NOW.  They do not look to me like a team that is happy with making slow gradual progress over the next 3-4 years. 

If they are able to retain Tobias Harris and JJ Reddick, then they have a starting 5 of Simmons, Reddick, Harris and Embiid.  That starting lineup plus some random role player is absolutely NOT going to keep up with teams like Milwaukee or Toronto in the East. 

If they want to compete, they need to replace Butler with a wing who is at least borderline All-Star level.  If you strike out Kawhi and Durant (neither of whom likely have any interest in Philly) then the list gets pretty thin.   Kris Middleton is one name that comes to mind, but why leave Bucks to go to 76ers?  It's a sideways move at best.

Hayward might be a bit of a gamble due to health, but when he is healthy he is a proven All-Star caliber player, which is exactly what Philly needs.  And a trio of Reddick, Hayward and Harris gives enough outside shooting to create space for Simmons and Embiid to work in the paint.  And it's only a short term commitment, so it's not like they are trying themselves up with bad cap money for years to come. 

Personally, I don't feel it's a terrible move for them - especially in a year where the league is so wide open.

Curious to hear why you think it would be so bad for them?

Deal.

I think everyone agrees to that.

[Silky]

The Celtics currently have nobody that can guard Joel Embid or Giannis. Capella is the best option. A healthy Hayward is better than Jaylen Brown. I would send Brown, Yabusele and a pick for Capella. It’s worth it. Langford is a 2 Guard that can play point, he’s more skilled than a lot of you realize...but Boston can’t advance without someone that can slow down Embid and Giannis..

Shocking overpay in my opinion

Who would trade Jaylen instead of Smart?

I don't wanna trade either!

Me either but we need a big.

I agree, but I think we can find some exception level big rather than overpay for Capela, who I don't rate very highly

https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/21/nba-free-agency-2019-centers/


There are a lot of bigman out there

But not many who could (and would be willing to) produce on anything close to Capella's level for < $6m a year.

6M?    Capela's making almost 17M next season.

Yeah I know. 

But if Boston signs Kemba Walker to a max deal, then my understanding is they will only have about $1,5M left ($4.5m maybe if they can find a way to dump Yabusele). And we need to cut pretty much all of our free agents in order to get there. 

That doesn't leave Boston with a lot of cap space to sign a starting caliber center, nor does it leave them with a lot of spare roster pieces to trade for one, 

Bringing in a big like Capella, who is a nightly double double (nearly 17 and 13 last season), solves the problem of Boston not having a starting caliber center for the upcoming season.

However the fact that he's only he's only 25 years old, has improved his stats every year in the league, and is signed to a reasonable deal for 4 years...that means it also solves Boston's hole at the center spot for the the future as well.

Most deals are made with the goal of either win now, or build for the future.  Capella can help Boston now AND in the future, and it's rare to find deals like that - especially when the player is on a reasonably good value contract. This is the type of deal Danny lives for, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many other deals out there that are actually doable, that are better for the team then this one is.

If team had capela amd kemba they would not win a championship this upcoming season.

So why use assets now on what could quite possibly be a lateral deal.

Marcus showed impressive improvement last season and is still only 25 years old and is signed to a very reasonable contract as well.

Use the room mle and vet min contracts and just plug the holes for now and use the next season as a a chamce to pearn your assets and see what is missing.

RW3 might well take a step forward this season and become capela light. Williams might be draymond light and then in either of those circumstances there is no need to pay capela 16 mill per season for what we are getting at under 3 million.


If we deal for kemba its moronic to deal anyone under 26 for capela.

If we dont sign kemba then sure, use capspace and a pick on capela.

No need for both

[TheSundanceKid]

Isn't the only way this works some super complicated s&t roundabout?

I'm presuming us being the 3rd team is also meaning Charlotte are the 4th team?

[SHAQATTACK]

Hate to say it, but I think trading Smart for Capela is a mistake.

Smart can go out there, shoot 2-9, frustrate everyone with missing shots, but at the end of the game you look in the boxscore he has a positive +/-, and frustrated the other team's best perimeter player.

IMO, we're closer to winning the East with Smart + Room exception big than we are with Capela here and Smart in Philly.

I 100% agree

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[Chief]

Hate to say it, but I think trading Smart for Capela is a mistake.

Smart can go out there, shoot 2-9, frustrate everyone with missing shots, but at the end of the game you look in the boxscore he has a positive +/-, and frustrated the other team's best perimeter player.

IMO, we're closer to winning the East with Smart + Room exception big than we are with Capela here and Smart in Philly.

I 100% agree

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[BMark]

Hate to say it, but I think trading Smart for Capela is a mistake.

Smart can go out there, shoot 2-9, frustrate everyone with missing shots, but at the end of the game you look in the boxscore he has a positive +/-, and frustrated the other team's best perimeter player.

IMO, we're closer to winning the East with Smart + Room exception big than we are with Capela here and Smart in Philly.

I 100% agree

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And Smart still has 3 years left on his reasonable contract.

[Fafnir]

I think value wise you probably can get better replacement level play from the budget Cs than the budget linebackers we'd be signing to replace Smart.

I am not worried about the Embiid match up until Tatum/Hayward/Brown show me they can be stars good enough to start thinking title or bust.

[seancally]

Hate to say it, but I think trading Smart for Capela is a mistake.

Smart can go out there, shoot 2-9, frustrate everyone with missing shots, but at the end of the game you look in the boxscore he has a positive +/-, and frustrated the other team's best perimeter player.

IMO, we're closer to winning the East with Smart + Room exception big than we are with Capela here and Smart in Philly.

I 100% agree

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Sure, all else equal. But all else is not equal. Smart can win you the game when the teams are evenly matched but he’s not going to make up for a talent gap. And if we’re up against Embiid with some scrap-heap big, doesn’t matter who else you got.

[Roy H.]

I think Capela is being underrated.  He averaged 17 / 13 on 65% shooting, and he’s above-average as a defender.

Smart is an asset, but he’s a luxury as compared to a starting center.

[pearljammer10]

I think Capela is being underrated.  He averaged 17 / 13 on 65% shooting, and he’s above-average as a defender.

Smart is an asset, but he’s a luxury as compared to a starting center.

Agreed, Capela is a beast. Smart would certainly be missed but a player like Smart, to me, is less challenging to fill than the role a guy like Capela plays.

[footey]

I think Capela is being underrated.  He averaged 17 / 13 on 65% shooting, and he’s above-average as a defender.

Smart is an asset, but he’s a luxury as compared to a starting center.

Would you rather trade Smart for Capela, or Brown for Turner (let's assume you could)?

[Roy H.]

I think Capela is being underrated.  He averaged 17 / 13 on 65% shooting, and he’s above-average as a defender.

Smart is an asset, but he’s a luxury as compared to a starting center.

Would you rather trade Smart for Capela, or Brown for Turner (let's assume you could)?

I would take Capela. I think he’s shown more than Turner, and I think that Brown is better than Smart.

[Fafnir]

I don't value Capela more than Turner, because I don't trust his superior offensive value when he's not next to a one man supernova to open him up for easy dunks and put backs.

[footey]

I think Capela's stats inflated due to the Harden factor.

He has no outside stretch ability. Just strikes me as Robert Williams with experience. You don't give up Marcus Smart for that.

Better options (i.e. those where you don't lose Smart) are overseas center (Jan Vesely playing great, thinking of coming back to NBA), or signing UFA with $4.9 mm exception (my favorite is Vonleh), or trade Jaylen Brown, who will get a great offer after this season, for a really good stretch 5, like Miles Turner.