2019 Summer Rumors official thread

[BringToughnessBack]

Given we have a hole at C this year, would anyone entertain joining in the Butler trade in order to bring Olynyk back to Boston?

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145533576299077632

Crazy set of sign and trades again... but I think it'd be of benefit to us. Olynyk is a poor man's Horford on offense, and wouldn't be a huge impediment to Williams growth.

I don't think Olynyk is quite right for the team but he is much better than what we have and I would be happy to have him here.

25m for 2 years of Kelly..can think of worse things and could be a placeholder until we find a better option. But, he has been in the league for awhile now, has yet to average more then 24 minutes a game for a season.  His FG percentage has dropped year over year over year as well. He will get us 5 boards a game and not be able to guard the likes of Embiid or Horford or anyone with meat on their bones but he will add size.

[Rondo9]

At a certain point last night Philly was in danger of losing Butler, Harris and Reddick while the C’s were looking assured to recover a bit by getting Walker, resigning or S&T Horford, possibly resigning Morris (or S&T) and getting the full MLE.  This morning’s news has C’s back in the room exception and renouncing Morris while losing Horford for nothing. Philly signs Harris and Horford and S&Ts Butler for a nice piece in Richardson.  What a complete and disappointing turnaround.

The only remaining salvage from last night is that it seems Kawhi is still in play for the Clips though I am fully expecting that to turn the wrong way at some point today.

Kawhi for sure going to Lakers. Time to accept it. Just hate how the Lakers get everyone and their front office is a complete joke. Their fans don't even deserve it. Now I'm gonna have to put up with Lakers fans crap everyday here and their "3peat", "multiple championships", "better than boston" garbage.

Got a source for that?

[manl_lui]

At a certain point last night Philly was in danger of losing Butler, Harris and Reddick while the C’s were looking assured to recover a bit by getting Walker, resigning or S&T Horford, possibly resigning Morris (or S&T) and getting the full MLE.  This morning’s news has C’s back in the room exception and renouncing Morris while losing Horford for nothing. Philly signs Harris and Horford and S&Ts Butler for a nice piece in Richardson.  What a complete and disappointing turnaround.

The only remaining salvage from last night is that it seems Kawhi is still in play for the Clips though I am fully expecting that to turn the wrong way at some point today.

Kawhi for sure going to Lakers. Time to accept it. Just hate how the Lakers get everyone and their front office is a complete joke. Their fans don't even deserve it. Now I'm gonna have to put up with Lakers fans crap everyday here and their "3peat", "multiple championships", "better than boston" garbage.

Got a source for that?

https://twitter.com/chris_broussard/status/1145573120058654720?s=21

[crimcartel]

Knicks are going to be left with somewhere between $13-15M in cap space after signing Wayne Ellington.

That's no longer enough to absorb Goran Dragic's contract from the Heat to help facilitate the Miami/Philadelphia trade.

If that butler trade falls through does that affect Al's contract agreement with Philly?

i was hoping so but i think worse case jimmy can take less than the max or pick another team s&t or clips/fakers and use that as leverage

Oh wow

[PhoSita]

At a certain point last night Philly was in danger of losing Butler, Harris and Reddick while the C’s were looking assured to recover a bit by getting Walker, resigning or S&T Horford, possibly resigning Morris (or S&T) and getting the full MLE.  This morning’s news has C’s back in the room exception and renouncing Morris while losing Horford for nothing. Philly signs Harris and Horford and S&Ts Butler for a nice piece in Richardson.  What a complete and disappointing turnaround.

The only remaining salvage from last night is that it seems Kawhi is still in play for the Clips though I am fully expecting that to turn the wrong way at some point today.

Kawhi for sure going to Lakers. Time to accept it. Just hate how the Lakers get everyone and their front office is a complete joke. Their fans don't even deserve it. Now I'm gonna have to put up with Lakers fans crap everyday here and their "3peat", "multiple championships", "better than boston" garbage.

Got a source for that?

https://twitter.com/chris_broussard/status/1145573120058654720?s=21

Broussard is not a source.


However, Kawhi going to the Lakers is the worst thing I can imagine happening in free agency, which means it probably will.


The league doesn't have a clear favorite right now, so of course Kawhi will join up with LeBron and AD and we'll go back to having one clear cut super team and a bunch of teams hoping for an injury.

[RMO]

At a certain point last night Philly was in danger of losing Butler, Harris and Reddick while the C’s were looking assured to recover a bit by getting Walker, resigning or S&T Horford, possibly resigning Morris (or S&T) and getting the full MLE.  This morning’s news has C’s back in the room exception and renouncing Morris while losing Horford for nothing. Philly signs Harris and Horford and S&Ts Butler for a nice piece in Richardson.  What a complete and disappointing turnaround.

The only remaining salvage from last night is that it seems Kawhi is still in play for the Clips though I am fully expecting that to turn the wrong way at some point today.

Kawhi for sure going to Lakers. Time to accept it. Just hate how the Lakers get everyone and their front office is a complete joke. Their fans don't even deserve it. Now I'm gonna have to put up with Lakers fans crap everyday here and their "3peat", "multiple championships", "better than boston" garbage.

Got a source for that?

https://twitter.com/chris_broussard/status/1145573120058654720?s=21

Broussard is not a source.


However, Kawhi going to the Lakers is the worst thing I can imagine happening in free agency, which means it probably will.


The league doesn't have a clear favorite right now, so of course Kawhi will join up with LeBron and AD and we'll go back to having one clear cut super team and a bunch of teams hoping for an injury.

Exactly.  I don't know what lakers plan B for that cap space would be if they don't sign Leonard.  Most of the quality free agents got scooped up pretty fast so Kawhi's waiting is really doing these teams a disservice.  The fact that they're somewhat on the ropes with his decisions probably means they'll get their guy.  Things always seem to work out for that team.

[TheSundanceKid]

Given we have a hole at C this year, would anyone entertain joining in the Butler trade in order to bring Olynyk back to Boston?

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145533576299077632

Crazy set of sign and trades again... but I think it'd be of benefit to us. Olynyk is a poor man's Horford on offense, and wouldn't be a huge impediment to Williams growth.

I talked about this on some other thread, but can’t find the post to quote myself.  Based on my reading of Twitter, the Mavs want Olynyk and not Dragic, and the Heat want to trade Dragic, which is why the trade broke down.  So dangercart’s solution doesn’t really work if that’s true.  In my missing post I hypothesized what it would look like if we took James Johnson, who Miami would also like to move, or Olynyk if the Mavs use their cap space elsewhere and we’re the best Miami and Philly can do at that point.

Ah I see. I'd read it as they wanted Derrick Jones but the Heat wouldn't include him. Though admittedly dangercart's example doesn't resolve that.. Unless you count Yab as a huge piece in this deal... which I definitely do

The Heat have to trade Dragic for the cap maths to work I think, Olynyk and Jones isn't enough outgoing salary. Not sure who could end up taking on that contract willingly. The ramifications of the trade not going through seem pretty huge, for both the Heat and the 76ers!

[Vermont Green]

"De'Angelo Russell does not fit there whatsoever. They just did not want to see Kevin Durant walk out the door with no compensation. ... They will trade him. It's just a matter of when." - @TheSteinLine on @dpshow

This is the stunner for me and the reason we were not able to sign and trade Kyrie and in the end why we can't sign (and trade) Horford.  It makes no sense to me that GSW would want Russell.  I guess he is an asset that they can trade at some point allowing them to get something for Durant.  Boy, I did not see this coming. 

How long before they can trade him?  Why would he go along with this?  He must be getting big money for it.  Is he going to have any control over where he is traded?  He could get traded to Sacramento for example or maybe the Knicks.  What if he gets injured?  Are they not even going to play him to protect him?  Perhaps this is all worked out behind the scenes and that is why he was willing to do this.

Someone may correct me but did we have to renounce Horford in order to absorb Walker's salary in the sign and trade?  I think that is the case but I am not 100% sure.  I think also contributing to this is that Horford may have said he wasn't going to do a sign and trade, he was just going to sign with Philly.  If that was the case, then there was no reason to give the Nets anything to do a sign and trade and avoid renouncing Horford (and others). 

This is disappointing  I had convinced myself that we were going to be able to sign or more likely sign and trade Horford.  Then GSW swooped in.  Like I said, I did not see that coming.

[gpap]

Given we have a hole at C this year, would anyone entertain joining in the Butler trade in order to bring Olynyk back to Boston?

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145533576299077632

Crazy set of sign and trades again... but I think it'd be of benefit to us. Olynyk is a poor man's Horford on offense, and wouldn't be a huge impediment to Williams growth.

I talked about this on some other thread, but can’t find the post to quote myself.  Based on my reading of Twitter, the Mavs want Olynyk and not Dragic, and the Heat want to trade Dragic, which is why the trade broke down.  So dangercart’s solution doesn’t really work if that’s true.  In my missing post I hypothesized what it would look like if we took James Johnson, who Miami would also like to move, or Olynyk if the Mavs use their cap space elsewhere and we’re the best Miami and Philly can do at that point.

Ah I see. I'd read it as they wanted Derrick Jones but the Heat wouldn't include him. Though admittedly dangercart's example doesn't resolve that.. Unless you count Yab as a huge piece in this deal... which I definitely do

The Heat have to trade Dragic for the cap maths to work I think, Olynyk and Jones isn't enough outgoing salary. Not sure who could end up taking on that contract willingly. The ramifications of the trade not going through seem pretty huge, for both the Heat and the 76ers!

Not sure how we can come up with cap space to be a 3rd team

[fairweatherfan]

At a certain point last night Philly was in danger of losing Butler, Harris and Reddick while the C’s were looking assured to recover a bit by getting Walker, resigning or S&T Horford, possibly resigning Morris (or S&T) and getting the full MLE.  This morning’s news has C’s back in the room exception and renouncing Morris while losing Horford for nothing. Philly signs Harris and Horford and S&Ts Butler for a nice piece in Richardson.  What a complete and disappointing turnaround.

The only remaining salvage from last night is that it seems Kawhi is still in play for the Clips though I am fully expecting that to turn the wrong way at some point today.

Kawhi for sure going to Lakers. Time to accept it. Just hate how the Lakers get everyone and their front office is a complete joke. Their fans don't even deserve it. Now I'm gonna have to put up with Lakers fans crap everyday here and their "3peat", "multiple championships", "better than boston" garbage.

Got a source for that?

https://twitter.com/chris_broussard/status/1145573120058654720?s=21

Broussard is not a source.


However, Kawhi going to the Lakers is the worst thing I can imagine happening in free agency, which means it probably will.


The league doesn't have a clear favorite right now, so of course Kawhi will join up with LeBron and AD and we'll go back to having one clear cut super team and a bunch of teams hoping for an injury.

I agree, I'm steeling myself for it to happen.

However, if the Lakers DON'T get Kawhi, they are going to be in deep trouble with every other max guy and a lot of the best sub-max guys already snapped up while he decides. That team will be a hot mess next year unless they can do some serious maneuvering. That'd be a wonderful gift from Kawhi.

[Sophomore]

Given we have a hole at C this year, would anyone entertain joining in the Butler trade in order to bring Olynyk back to Boston?

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145533576299077632

Crazy set of sign and trades again... but I think it'd be of benefit to us. Olynyk is a poor man's Horford on offense, and wouldn't be a huge impediment to Williams growth.

I talked about this on some other thread, but can’t find the post to quote myself.  Based on my reading of Twitter, the Mavs want Olynyk and not Dragic, and the Heat want to trade Dragic, which is why the trade broke down.  So dangercart’s solution doesn’t really work if that’s true.  In my missing post I hypothesized what it would look like if we took James Johnson, who Miami would also like to move, or Olynyk if the Mavs use their cap space elsewhere and we’re the best Miami and Philly can do at that point.

Ah I see. I'd read it as they wanted Derrick Jones but the Heat wouldn't include him. Though admittedly dangercart's example doesn't resolve that.. Unless you count Yab as a huge piece in this deal... which I definitely do

The Heat have to trade Dragic for the cap maths to work I think, Olynyk and Jones isn't enough outgoing salary. Not sure who could end up taking on that contract willingly. The ramifications of the trade not going through seem pretty huge, for both the Heat and the 76ers!

If we had to take Dragic and Olynk (and I've never been an Olynyk fan) then that's fine. Kemba and Dragic can be our backcourt, Olynyk as our starting 4 and we can package Smart and Brown for a big.  Smart and Brown for Capela.

Smart and Brown for Capela?  Daryl Morey would love that idea. The Celtics, not so much.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

You guys should go on and accept it now, KL is a Lakers. Time to move on.

[gpap]

Given we have a hole at C this year, would anyone entertain joining in the Butler trade in order to bring Olynyk back to Boston?

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145533576299077632

Crazy set of sign and trades again... but I think it'd be of benefit to us. Olynyk is a poor man's Horford on offense, and wouldn't be a huge impediment to Williams growth.

I talked about this on some other thread, but can’t find the post to quote myself.  Based on my reading of Twitter, the Mavs want Olynyk and not Dragic, and the Heat want to trade Dragic, which is why the trade broke down.  So dangercart’s solution doesn’t really work if that’s true.  In my missing post I hypothesized what it would look like if we took James Johnson, who Miami would also like to move, or Olynyk if the Mavs use their cap space elsewhere and we’re the best Miami and Philly can do at that point.

Ah I see. I'd read it as they wanted Derrick Jones but the Heat wouldn't include him. Though admittedly dangercart's example doesn't resolve that.. Unless you count Yab as a huge piece in this deal... which I definitely do

The Heat have to trade Dragic for the cap maths to work I think, Olynyk and Jones isn't enough outgoing salary. Not sure who could end up taking on that contract willingly. The ramifications of the trade not going through seem pretty huge, for both the Heat and the 76ers!

If we had to take Dragic and Olynk (and I've never been an Olynyk fan) then that's fine. Kemba and Dragic can be our backcourt, Olynyk as our starting 4 and we can package Smart and Brown for a big.  Smart and Brown for Capela.

Smart and Brown for Capela?  Daryl Morey would love that idea. The Celtics, not so much.

I'd do it in a heartbeat right now because we are desperate for a big.

[MattyIce]

Guard Seth Curry has reached an agreement with Dallas, league source tells ESPN.

[TheSundanceKid]

Given we have a hole at C this year, would anyone entertain joining in the Butler trade in order to bring Olynyk back to Boston?

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145533576299077632

Crazy set of sign and trades again... but I think it'd be of benefit to us. Olynyk is a poor man's Horford on offense, and wouldn't be a huge impediment to Williams growth.

I talked about this on some other thread, but can’t find the post to quote myself.  Based on my reading of Twitter, the Mavs want Olynyk and not Dragic, and the Heat want to trade Dragic, which is why the trade broke down.  So dangercart’s solution doesn’t really work if that’s true.  In my missing post I hypothesized what it would look like if we took James Johnson, who Miami would also like to move, or Olynyk if the Mavs use their cap space elsewhere and we’re the best Miami and Philly can do at that point.

Ah I see. I'd read it as they wanted Derrick Jones but the Heat wouldn't include him. Though admittedly dangercart's example doesn't resolve that.. Unless you count Yab as a huge piece in this deal... which I definitely do

The Heat have to trade Dragic for the cap maths to work I think, Olynyk and Jones isn't enough outgoing salary. Not sure who could end up taking on that contract willingly. The ramifications of the trade not going through seem pretty huge, for both the Heat and the 76ers!

Not sure how we can come up with cap space to be a 3rd team

It'd be a series of sign and trades, meaning the teams can go over the cap. But would all be subject to hard caps (we already are)