Vincent Poirier to Celts(merged threads)

[Tr1boy]

Euroleague and NBA are 2 totally different leagues

Still not bad

[Hank Finkel]

What's most interesting is the Celtics seem to be moving back toward traditional bigs. Theis is a 4 and he can shoot outside some, but Poirier, Kanter, and Williams are all pretty much non-factors outside. Maybe some shooting will develop in their play style (ala Baynes), but I think all of them will need some time.

Grant Williams can shoot some, but I'm guessing he will mainly play the 3/4, not the 5 (although I could see CBS trying him there against the right opponents as he did with Ojeleye).

I like both styles of bigs, but this could mark a shift in CBS system more toward a system like Rick Carlisle's. Some of the highest offensive ratings in the NBA are rim-running bigs, which kinda' proves that it is possible to have a high-flying offense with them.

Although people worry about our offense, I actually think our offense will be way better this year. It's our defense that could be average. We need guys like Brown and Smart to anchor us on the perimeter, and we need Poirier, Williams, and Theis to be in good position inside without fouling.

Everyone will be shooting 3s. Kanter said he's working on it now. Lol CBS would make Capella do it if he were a Cs!

About time for Kanter!! Feels like some fans have wanted him to start shooting threes for several years now lol

IMO we don't need bigs shooting 3’s. We need bigs who can defend, rebound and intimidate in the paint.  If they can shoot a little bit fine.  Let the elite wing athletes score and woo the crowd and put the big guys to work down low and allow the real basketball stars to win the games. 

[Fierce1]

Scourting report on Poirier.

https://www.basketballscout.com/articles/konstantinos-panas/euroleague-scouting-reports/vincent-poirier-scouting-report/

Published by Konstantinos Panas

Years ago the seven footer were the main big men for every European team. Nowadays that the athleticism is raised and the undersized big men became viral, the seven footers are near to extinction.

But for big man Vincent Poirier that's not even close to the truth. The center out of France is having a solid rookie season so far with Baskonia. Even if he has good competition in front of him, Poirier showed his coach Pedro Martinez that he can play an important role in this team.

With a terrific wingspan and amazing versatility around the hoop this big man provides a great back to basket player who can rebound and protect the rim quite well.

He oftens run the open floor pretty well and that's something for his size. He is working on his perimeter game too.

His biggest problem right now for sure is pick-n-roll defense and his lateral quickness. He is not able to chase his man down on the low block if he gets passed by him.

A seven footer with post moves, rebound and rim protecting skills. This man has a bright future in front of him!


Published By Konstantinos Panas
konstantinosp@basketballscout.com

[Evantime34]

What's most interesting is the Celtics seem to be moving back toward traditional bigs. Theis is a 4 and he can shoot outside some, but Poirier, Kanter, and Williams are all pretty much non-factors outside. Maybe some shooting will develop in their play style (ala Baynes), but I think all of them will need some time.

Grant Williams can shoot some, but I'm guessing he will mainly play the 3/4, not the 5 (although I could see CBS trying him there against the right opponents as he did with Ojeleye).

I like both styles of bigs, but this could mark a shift in CBS system more toward a system like Rick Carlisle's. Some of the highest offensive ratings in the NBA are rim-running bigs, which kinda' proves that it is possible to have a high-flying offense with them.

Although people worry about our offense, I actually think our offense will be way better this year. It's our defense that could be average. We need guys like Brown and Smart to anchor us on the perimeter, and we need Poirier, Williams, and Theis to be in good position inside without fouling.

Everyone will be shooting 3s. Kanter said he's working on it now. Lol CBS would make Capella do it if he were a Cs!

About time for Kanter!! Feels like some fans have wanted him to start shooting threes for several years now lol

IMO we don't need bigs shooting 3’s. We need bigs who can defend, rebound and intimidate in the paint.  If they can shoot a little bit fine.  Let the elite wing athletes score and woo the crowd and put the big guys to work down low and allow the real basketball stars to win the games. 

If Big men can roll or pop in the pick and roll they are much more difficult to defend than if they can only pop or roll. If Kanter can hit 3's it's going to make it a lot easier for him to get quality looks in the paint (because opposing 5's quick enough to defend on the perimeter can't stick with him in the paint).

Kanter seems to have good touch, if he can hit them I say let it fly.

[Sophomore]

From the scouting report above “His biggest problem right now for sure is pick-n-roll defense and his lateral quickness. He is not able to chase his man down on the low block if he gets passed by him.”

If he had this problem in Europe...

[Evantime34]

Scourting report on Poirier.

https://www.basketballscout.com/articles/konstantinos-panas/euroleague-scouting-reports/vincent-poirier-scouting-report/

Published by Konstantinos Panas

Years ago the seven footer were the main big men for every European team. Nowadays that the athleticism is raised and the undersized big men became viral, the seven footers are near to extinction.

But for big man Vincent Poirier that's not even close to the truth. The center out of France is having a solid rookie season so far with Baskonia. Even if he has good competition in front of him, Poirier showed his coach Pedro Martinez that he can play an important role in this team.

With a terrific wingspan and amazing versatility around the hoop this big man provides a great back to basket player who can rebound and protect the rim quite well.

He oftens run the open floor pretty well and that's something for his size. He is working on his perimeter game too.

His biggest problem right now for sure is pick-n-roll defense and his lateral quickness. He is not able to chase his man down on the low block if he gets passed by him.

A seven footer with post moves, rebound and rim protecting skills. This man has a bright future in front of him!


Published By Konstantinos Panas
konstantinosp@basketballscout.com

His biggest issues being pick and roll defense/lateral quickness is problematic in the nba. If he can't defend in the pick and roll he isn't very playable in a pick and roll heavy league.

[Fierce1]

Scourting report on Poirier.

https://www.basketballscout.com/articles/konstantinos-panas/euroleague-scouting-reports/vincent-poirier-scouting-report/

Published by Konstantinos Panas

Years ago the seven footer were the main big men for every European team. Nowadays that the athleticism is raised and the undersized big men became viral, the seven footers are near to extinction.

But for big man Vincent Poirier that's not even close to the truth. The center out of France is having a solid rookie season so far with Baskonia. Even if he has good competition in front of him, Poirier showed his coach Pedro Martinez that he can play an important role in this team.

With a terrific wingspan and amazing versatility around the hoop this big man provides a great back to basket player who can rebound and protect the rim quite well.

He oftens run the open floor pretty well and that's something for his size. He is working on his perimeter game too.

His biggest problem right now for sure is pick-n-roll defense and his lateral quickness. He is not able to chase his man down on the low block if he gets passed by him.

A seven footer with post moves, rebound and rim protecting skills. This man has a bright future in front of him!


Published By Konstantinos Panas
konstantinosp@basketballscout.com

His biggest issues being pick and roll defense/lateral quickness is problematic in the nba. If he can't defend in the pick and roll he isn't very playable in a pick and roll heavy league.

Maybe that's why he went undrafted in 2015 and no NBA team gave him a shot after playing in the summer league in 2016.

My money is on Rob Williams being ahead of Poirier on the depth chart.

[Tr1boy]

From the scouting report above “His biggest problem right now for sure is pick-n-roll defense and his lateral quickness. He is not able to chase his man down on the low block if he gets passed by him.”

If he had this problem in Europe...

PnD by Centers in the nba

Who is elite?

Is Jokic? Is Embiid?

As long as the center is passable... good enough

[tstorey_97]

NFL, Belichick can look at "what everyone else is doing" and then, build a team that goes against the grain. Welker, Edelman, Amendola  + Gronk or whatever athletic TE.

Now he has a fleet of running backs. I get that Bill has a lot of luxuries, but Stevens isn't fighting for his job. Thus, my point "everybody has small centers who can go outside and are this and the rest of the team is that"...blah, blah.

Stevens has 9 coaches sitting there and they can't take what Ainge gives them for bigs and make something happen?  And I don't mean a miracle. I've watched the films, these guys are average...Baynes was that good? He never played.

You guys talk about all this stuff that Poirier and Kanter and whomever "can't do."

Doesn't the coach "work an angle?" Use the 7 foot dude in such a way that the 7 foot dude can stay afloat and the four really good players on the Celtic's unit playing with him can work it? Kanter/Poirier are going to have four all stars on the court with them for crying out loud.

Perkins was like a F150 with three flat tires and everything worked out ok....right? Rivers is that much better a coach?

Red would've have made it work. Danny Ainge wasn't that GD good and he got minutes and helped the team.

[nickagneta]

NFL, Belichick can look at "what everyone else is doing" and then, build a team that goes against the grain. Welker, Edelman, Amendola  + Gronk or whatever athletic TE.

Now he has a fleet of running backs. I get that Bill has a lot of luxuries, but Stevens isn't fighting for his job. Thus, my point "everybody has small centers who can go outside and are this and the rest of the team is that"...blah, blah.

Stevens has 9 coaches sitting there and they can't take what Ainge gives them for bigs and make something happen?  And I don't mean a miracle. I've watched the films, these guys are average...Baynes was that good? He never played.

You guys talk about all this stuff that Poirier and Kanter and whomever "can't do."

Doesn't the coach "work an angle?" Use the 7 foot dude in such a way that the 7 foot dude can stay afloat and the four really good players on the Celtic's unit playing with him can work it? Kanter/Poirier are going to have four all stars on the court with them for crying out loud.

Perkins was like a F150 with three flat tires and everything worked out ok....right? Rivers is that much better a coach?

Red would've have made it work. Danny Ainge wasn't that GD good and he got minutes and helped the team.

Ainge wasn't that good?

Danny was an All-Star one year, was one of the premier three point shooters in the league over a 5 year span and was the starting SG on perhaps one of the top 3 greatest teams in history.

Danny was pretty dang good.

[Fierce1]

Kanter/Poirier are going to have four all stars on the court with them for crying out loud.

Celts only have 2 legit All-Stars, Kemba and Hayward.

Who are the other two?

[gouki88]

NFL, Belichick can look at "what everyone else is doing" and then, build a team that goes against the grain. Welker, Edelman, Amendola  + Gronk or whatever athletic TE.

Now he has a fleet of running backs. I get that Bill has a lot of luxuries, but Stevens isn't fighting for his job. Thus, my point "everybody has small centers who can go outside and are this and the rest of the team is that"...blah, blah.

Stevens has 9 coaches sitting there and they can't take what Ainge gives them for bigs and make something happen?  And I don't mean a miracle. I've watched the films, these guys are average...Baynes was that good? He never played.

You guys talk about all this stuff that Poirier and Kanter and whomever "can't do."

Doesn't the coach "work an angle?" Use the 7 foot dude in such a way that the 7 foot dude can stay afloat and the four really good players on the Celtic's unit playing with him can work it? Kanter/Poirier are going to have four all stars on the court with them for crying out loud.

Perkins was like a F150 with three flat tires and everything worked out ok....right? Rivers is that much better a coach?

Red would've have made it work. Danny Ainge wasn't that GD good and he got minutes and helped the team.

Ainge wasn't that good?

Danny was an All-Star one year, was one of the premier three point shooters in the league over a 5 year span and was the starting SG on perhaps one of the top 3 greatest teams in history.

Danny was pretty dang good.

Not to mention a very solid athlete!

[Bobshot]

NFL, Belichick can look at "what everyone else is doing" and then, build a team that goes against the grain. Welker, Edelman, Amendola  + Gronk or whatever athletic TE.

Now he has a fleet of running backs. I get that Bill has a lot of luxuries, but Stevens isn't fighting for his job. Thus, my point "everybody has small centers who can go outside and are this and the rest of the team is that"...blah, blah.

Stevens has 9 coaches sitting there and they can't take what Ainge gives them for bigs and make something happen?  And I don't mean a miracle. I've watched the films, these guys are average...Baynes was that good? He never played.

You guys talk about all this stuff that Poirier and Kanter and whomever "can't do."

Doesn't the coach "work an angle?" Use the 7 foot dude in such a way that the 7 foot dude can stay afloat and the four really good players on the Celtic's unit playing with him can work it? Kanter/Poirier are going to have four all stars on the court with them for crying out loud.

Perkins was like a F150 with three flat tires and everything worked out ok....right? Rivers is that much better a coach?

Red would've have made it work. Danny Ainge wasn't that GD good and he got minutes and helped the team.

Ainge wasn't that good?

Danny was an All-Star one year, was one of the premier three point shooters in the league over a 5 year span and was the starting SG on perhaps one of the top 3 greatest teams in history.

Danny was pretty dang good.

I will second that. Danny was a great shooter. One of the designated 3P guys with Bird. He's a great athlete, played baseball with Toronto.  Saw him play 3B against the Red Sox at Fenway. Then the next year, Red signed him for the Celtics.

[Ogaju]

Ainge was a good player, and tough as nails.

[Emmette Bryant]

Danny was a good player who made a lot of sacrifices because he played with Bird and McHale.