Just say no to full rebuild

[droopdog7]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

[gouki88]

Yeah, a full rebuild would be a catastrophe for me. Horford doesn't have exceptional value either.

Go all-in on hoping Hayward returns to form and hoping the Jays take a leap, and try and get a PG like George Hill, Collison, Beverley or Rubio (in that order of preference)

[gpap]

Yeah, a full rebuild would be a catastrophe for me. Horford doesn't have exceptional value either.

Go all-in on hoping Hayward returns to form and hoping the Jays take a leap, and try and get a PG like George Hill, Collison, Beverley or Rubio (in that order of preference)

You and me both. Although the Celts can also get younger and more athletic without necessarily having to be classified as a "rebuilding team"

But, I agree. Please, no rebuilds!!

[Fierce1]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

4th seed?

And end up getting kicked out in 2nd or 1st round of the playoffs?

Being a middle of the pack team is worse than being a lottery team.

If Hayward returns to All-Star form, he will be very valuable at the trade deadline in February.

Being the 4th seed and knowing there's ZERO chance of reaching the Finals is just not worth the heartache.

[PAOBoston]

At this point, unless Tatum and Brown take massive steps to stardom, the Cs will likely be a a lower mid tier team on the East and get their brains beat out by the Milwaukee’s of the conference. There is really no point in keeping any of those guys anymore (Horford/Hayward). Horford is getting up there and deserves a chance to be on a team competing for a title. Hayward needs to have a solid first half of the season. Cs might be able to trade him to someone if he plays well. At this point, Cs main objective is to do everything I. Their power to get Brown and Tatum to hit their ceilings. Time to build around a Smart/Tatum/Brown core and see what happens. It’s the long(er) game at this point.

[gouki88]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

4th seed?

And end up getting kicked out in 2nd or 1st round of the playoffs?

Being a middle of the pack team is worse than being a lottery team.

If Hayward returns to All-Star form, he will be very valuable at the trade deadline in February.

Being the 4th seed and knowing there's ZERO chance of reaching the Finals is just not worth the heartache.

Except for the most part all teams that have had success recently have had to grind through early playoff bounces. LeBron obviously bucked the trend with Miami and Cleveland, but playoff experience is valuable. Golden State and Toronto are both examples of this, as were Dallas and San Antonio.

[PhoSita]

A full on youth movement is pretty much inevitable at this point.  The Celts don't have an established lead scoring option for the first time since 2015.

Horford is probably gone, which means the Celts are going to be without the centerpiece of their defense and the fulcrum of their offense.

That said, it's not a full rebuild so long as they have brown and Tatum. Many rebuilds don't result in draftees as exciting as Tatum and brown..

That said, there is no future superstar on this roster. Nobody the Celts have now has the talent to win an MVP.  So the team has to decide if they are serious about trying to win a title. If they are, how are they going to acquire the kind of player that makes that possible?

[Fierce1]

Those old enough must remember what happened after Larry Bird retired in 1992.

Celts refused to rebuild after Bird retired.
They kept Parish and McHale then added Xavier McDaniel.
Celts still made the playoffs as a 4th seed, but they exited in the 1st round.

In 1994-95, Celts signed a 34-year old Dominique Wilkins to bolster a Celtic team composed of Dee Brown, Dino Radja, Sherman Douglas, Eric Montross, Davis Wesley, and Xavier McDaniel.
And again the Celts exited in the 1st round.

Being a middle of the pack team having no shot at a championship is not fun.

It's just not worth the heartache.

[Fierce1]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

4th seed?

And end up getting kicked out in 2nd or 1st round of the playoffs?

Being a middle of the pack team is worse than being a lottery team.

If Hayward returns to All-Star form, he will be very valuable at the trade deadline in February.

Being the 4th seed and knowing there's ZERO chance of reaching the Finals is just not worth the heartache.

Except for the most part all teams that have had success recently have had to grind through early playoff bounces. LeBron obviously bucked the trend with Miami and Cleveland, but playoff experience is valuable. Golden State and Toronto are both examples of this, as were Dallas and San Antonio.

Yes, but it's different story when some the players you have are only there for the short term.

Horford will not be there when Jayson and Jaylen are in their prime.

The ideal is to build a team that would grow together.
Even if they get bounced in the playoffs a few times, it doesn't matter as long as the core remains intact when the team finally matures.

Right now the Celts are still lacking pieces that would make for a great core.

Trying to make the playoffs as a mediocre team would only stagnate the rebuilding process because the Celts won't be able to get high draft picks.

[gouki88]

Those old enough must remember what happened after Larry Bird retired in 1992.

Celts refused to rebuild after Bird retired.
They kept Parish and McHale then added Xavier McDaniel.
Celts still made the playoffs as a 4th seed, but they exited in the 1st round.

In 1994-95, Celts signed a 34-year old Dominique Wilkins to bolster a Celtic team composed of Dee Brown, Dino Radja, Sherman Douglas, Eric Montross, Davis Wesley, and Xavier McDaniel.
And again the Celts exited in the 1st round.

Being a middle of the pack team having no shot at a championship is not fun.

It's just not worth the heartache.

C'mon dude. That team had recently lost its best player to a tragedy. Not really comparable IMO

[Tr1boy]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

Tatum, Brown,  Smart, Rozier

How would this be a full rebuild?

Cmon

[Fierce1]

Those old enough must remember what happened after Larry Bird retired in 1992.

Celts refused to rebuild after Bird retired.
They kept Parish and McHale then added Xavier McDaniel.
Celts still made the playoffs as a 4th seed, but they exited in the 1st round.

In 1994-95, Celts signed a 34-year old Dominique Wilkins to bolster a Celtic team composed of Dee Brown, Dino Radja, Sherman Douglas, Eric Montross, Davis Wesley, and Xavier McDaniel.
And again the Celts exited in the 1st round.

Being a middle of the pack team having no shot at a championship is not fun.

It's just not worth the heartache.

C'mon dude. That team had recently lost its best player to a tragedy. Not really comparable IMO

Even if the Celts didn't lose Reggie Lewis, would a Reggie Lewis led Celtics team would've come close to reaching the Finals?

Reggie Lewis was already the Celts leading scorer in 1992, when Bird was still playing.

It was a 51-win season with Bird, Lewis, Parish, and McHale.
But the Celts still couldn't get past the 2nd round.
They were beaten by the Cavs in Game 7.

The point is when the championship window is closed, there' s no point in prolonging the agony.

Right now Ainge's master plan has backfired.

The sooner the Celts realize it's time to start from scratch, the faster the Celts will return to the Finals again.

[Fierce1]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

Tatum, Brown,  Smart, Rozier

How would this be a full rebuild?

Cmon

Rozier is not a given.

There's a chance Rozier would want more money than what the Celts are offering and he signs with another team.

Tatum, Brown, Smart, and Rozier is at best a 6th or 7th seed.
It's a middle of the pack team not close to making even the east finals.

[gouki88]

I hope we keep horford and  see no way we can trade Hayward.  So let’s see if DA can find a veteran PG and go for the four seed.

Tatum, Brown,  Smart, Rozier

How would this be a full rebuild?

Cmon

Rozier is not a given.

There's a chance Rozier would want more money than what the Celts are offering and he signs with another team.

Tatum, Brown, Smart, and Rozier is at best a 6th or 7th seed.
It's a middle of the pack team not close to making even the east finals.

You're clearly of the mind that this team has no room to improve, so I'm not sure if there's any point of me arguing otherwise.

[CelticsElite]

The Memphis pick allows us to stay in the lottery while contenDing

That's the final piece of the young core