Woj: Celtics in on Mike Conley (Rumor)

[Silky]

Yes this is very tricky.  S&T only allows us a TPE of about 20 million, and that exception cant be combined with other player salary to bring back more than that. So all these example with Smart + 20 Million TPE dont actually work. Anybody we bring back has to fit in the TPE alone. Also there is little reason Brooklyn would help us out by doing a S&T when they already have cap space to sign him outright, not for something like the 20th pick anyway. Any Conley trade is gonna be for Hayward or Horford, but for obvious reasons I can't see Horford being a part of it. So it would have to be Hayward and say a pick (or two). Its very arguable whether that is worth it, but I could see it happen if Ainge decides he needs to balance the roster with a PG. Not the first or second option probably however.

I believe that Brooklyn does it to get 2 max free agents AND keep Russell, who they really like.

With an offer to Kyrie of 32 mill per season
And a caphold on Russell of 21.1 million
and all guaranteed contracts the Nets would be at

Irving 32
Russell caphold 21.1
Harris 7.6
Williams 5.4 (caphit)
Allan 2.3
Levert 2.6
Dinwiddie 10.6
Musa 1.9
Kurucs 1.7

roughly 86 million. 23 mill in space.

Trading Dinwiddie for Irving saves Brooklyn 10.6 million bringing space to 34 million and lets them offer for Durant or Butler.

And saves them from spending 43 million on the pg position.

Irving
Russell/Levert
Butler/Harris
Prince
Allen

[keevsnick]

Yes this is very tricky.  S&T only allows us a TPE of about 20 million, and that exception cant be combined with other player salary to bring back more than that. So all these example with Smart + 20 Million TPE dont actually work. Anybody we bring back has to fit in the TPE alone. Also there is little reason Brooklyn would help us out by doing a S&T when they already have cap space to sign him outright, not for something like the 20th pick anyway. Any Conley trade is gonna be for Hayward or Horford, but for obvious reasons I can't see Horford being a part of it. So it would have to be Hayward and say a pick (or two). Its very arguable whether that is worth it, but I could see it happen if Ainge decides he needs to balance the roster with a PG. Not the first or second option probably however.

I believe that Brooklyn does it to get 2 max free agents AND keep Russell, who they really like.

With an offer to Kyrie of 32 mill per season
And a caphold on Russell of 21.1 million
and all guaranteed contracts the Nets would be at

Irving 32
Russell caphold 21.1
Harris 7.6
Williams 5.4 (caphit)
Allan 2.3
Levert 2.6
Dinwiddie 10.6
Musa 1.9
Kurucs 1.7

roughly 86 million. 23 mill in space.

Trading Dinwiddie for Irving saves Brooklyn 10.6 million bringing space to 34 million and lets them offer for Durant or Butler.

And saves them from spending 43 million on the pg position.

Irving
Russell/Levert
Butler/Harris
Prince
Allen

Sure. But they could do that by trading Dinwiddie to any of the numerous teams with cap space while netting themselves an asset and not helping the Celtics. Dinwiddie is not hard to move.

[Silky]

Yes this is very tricky.  S&T only allows us a TPE of about 20 million, and that exception cant be combined with other player salary to bring back more than that. So all these example with Smart + 20 Million TPE dont actually work. Anybody we bring back has to fit in the TPE alone. Also there is little reason Brooklyn would help us out by doing a S&T when they already have cap space to sign him outright, not for something like the 20th pick anyway. Any Conley trade is gonna be for Hayward or Horford, but for obvious reasons I can't see Horford being a part of it. So it would have to be Hayward and say a pick (or two). Its very arguable whether that is worth it, but I could see it happen if Ainge decides he needs to balance the roster with a PG. Not the first or second option probably however.

I believe that Brooklyn does it to get 2 max free agents AND keep Russell, who they really like.

With an offer to Kyrie of 32 mill per season
And a caphold on Russell of 21.1 million
and all guaranteed contracts the Nets would be at

Irving 32
Russell caphold 21.1
Harris 7.6
Williams 5.4 (caphit)
Allan 2.3
Levert 2.6
Dinwiddie 10.6
Musa 1.9
Kurucs 1.7

roughly 86 million. 23 mill in space.

Trading Dinwiddie for Irving saves Brooklyn 10.6 million bringing space to 34 million and lets them offer for Durant or Butler.

And saves them from spending 43 million on the pg position.

Irving
Russell/Levert
Butler/Harris
Prince
Allen

Sure. But they could do that by trading Dinwiddie to any of the numerous teams with cap space while netting themselves an asset and not helping the Celtics. Dinwiddie is not hard to move.

and what capspace teams are going to
A; Take Dinwiddie
b; give an asset up at the same time?

Its easier to do this for all parties, and if they really want they can have a pick to make it happen.

[Tr1boy]

How can Woj release this rumor without even doing a basic number crunch himself

Only way such trade is plausible is

By either trading Hayward or obtaining a trade exception large enough and including a salary like Smart or sign and trade Rozier

Correct?

[Tr1boy]

Is it advantageous for Nets to do a sign and trade for Irving vs signing him as a FA

Can someone(who knows the cap system well) layout the angles why one works better than the other?

Thanks

[td450]

If we lose Kyrie, renegotiate Horford and let Morris and some other salary go, I think we could fit Dinwiddie in under the cap. We could trade a first for him straight up.

Its not Conley, but Dinwiddie's really good and we keep Hayward. Does that work?

[Silky]

Is it advantageous for Nets to do a sign and trade for Irving vs signing him as a FA

Can someone(who knows the cap system well) layout the angles why one works better than the other?

Thanks

I have a number of times.

Kyrie would get 32 ish million,
Russell has a 21 million caphold
add to that all guaranteed salaries and they would be up to roughly 85 million in salary.

Signing and trading Kyrie for Dinwiddie saves them 10 mill in committed salary allowing for them to offer another max contract.

For the celtics it gives them a decent big PG to battle with smart for the starters spot and a 20 mill or so TPE that can be used to absorb a player from another team.

[Silky]

If we lose Kyrie, renegotiate Horford and let Morris and some other salary go, I think we could fit Dinwiddie in under the cap. We could trade a first for him straight up.

Its not Conley, but Dinwiddie's really good and we keep Hayward. Does that work?

I dont think we can make enough space for that to happen.

[Tr1boy]

Is it advantageous for Nets to do a sign and trade for Irving vs signing him as a FA

Can someone(who knows the cap system well) layout the angles why one works better than the other?

Thanks

I have a number of times.

Kyrie would get 32 ish million,
Russell has a 21 million caphold
add to that all guaranteed salaries and they would be up to roughly 85 million in salary.

Signing and trading Kyrie for Dinwiddie saves them 10 mill in committed salary allowing for them to offer another max contract.

For the celtics it gives them a decent big PG to battle with smart for the starters spot and a 20 mill or so TPE that can be used to absorb a player from another team.

Thx

What about if Nets wanted to trade for AD plus obtain Irving

How could that work

[footey]

Man, I wish Conley was 5 years younger, I feel he would fit very well with the Celtics. Defensive-centric, really good shooter, team guy. Love his game.

Kyrie without the attitude, and who plays defense, LOL.

[gpap]

If we lose Kyrie, renegotiate Horford and let Morris and some other salary go, I think we could fit Dinwiddie in under the cap. We could trade a first for him straight up.

Its not Conley, but Dinwiddie's really good and we keep Hayward. Does that work?

Conley is better than Dinwiddie.

[celticinorlando]

Man, I wish Conley was 5 years younger, I feel he would fit very well with the Celtics. Defensive-centric, really good shooter, team guy. Love his game.

Kyrie without the attitude, and who plays defense, LOL.

Agree. He had a good year last year and really could be the guy we all thought Kyrie was (leader, teammate, running the offense, etc)

[td450]

If we lose Kyrie, renegotiate Horford and let Morris and some other salary go, I think we could fit Dinwiddie in under the cap. We could trade a first for him straight up.

Its not Conley, but Dinwiddie's really good and we keep Hayward. Does that work?

Conley is better than Dinwiddie.

Well, the comparison is really Dinwiddie+Hayward or Conley+Morris.

Both are good options, but I have a preference for Dinwiddie+Hayward. I like the idea of a huge backcourt, and I am more optimistic about Hayward coming back with a vengeance.

[Silky]

Is it advantageous for Nets to do a sign and trade for Irving vs signing him as a FA

Can someone(who knows the cap system well) layout the angles why one works better than the other?

Thanks

I have a number of times.

Kyrie would get 32 ish million,
Russell has a 21 million caphold
add to that all guaranteed salaries and they would be up to roughly 85 million in salary.

Signing and trading Kyrie for Dinwiddie saves them 10 mill in committed salary allowing for them to offer another max contract.

For the celtics it gives them a decent big PG to battle with smart for the starters spot and a 20 mill or so TPE that can be used to absorb a player from another team.

Thx

What about if Nets wanted to trade for AD plus obtain Irving

How could that work

They would have the space to do it with no salary going back if the sign and traded for irving. But NOP wants assets...so not sure how that could play out.

I guess it would take russell resigned amd allen? Not sure they could or would want to do that. They have no good picls to trade either

[gpap]

If we lose Kyrie, renegotiate Horford and let Morris and some other salary go, I think we could fit Dinwiddie in under the cap. We could trade a first for him straight up.

Its not Conley, but Dinwiddie's really good and we keep Hayward. Does that work?

Conley is better than Dinwiddie.

Well, the comparison is really Dinwiddie+Hayward or Conley+Morris.

Both are good options, but I have a preference for Dinwiddie+Hayward. I like the idea of a huge backcourt, and I am more optimistic about Hayward coming back with a vengeance.

I see your point. Admittedly, I don't know as much about Dinwiddie as I do about Conley. Anybody, but Rozier.
What are Dinwiddie's strengths?