Woj: Celtics in on Mike Conley (Rumor)

[jambr380]

If we keep Hayward and Horford it makes sense.

A core of AD, Horford, Hayward and Conley would be a highly skilled, team oriented core.

But if Smart is going out in a Conley deal, then I don't know how we make the AD deal. I guess the assumption - in either a Conley or AD deal - would be Hayward or Horford going out, and I'm not sure I love that.

[jambr380]

Sign and trade Irving and add some salary to him to create a large enough trade exception.  Then trade a couple of firsts to Memphis for Conley.

Due to BYC, Irving's salary will only count for $20.1M in outgoing salary. We are looking at sending out Smart if that's the case. If Irving is leaving anyway, then I guess it is just Smart and pick(s) for Conley, but I am still not totally sold on that one. I would personally just rather push for Russell in a double S&T. Irving, Yabu, picks, and other sweeteners, but not Smart.

I don’t think you can use a trade exception plus salary to trade for a player with a larger salary though, can you? To use a trade exception in a trade, I think the incoming player must completely fit inside the tpe abd can’t be combined with other salary.

I didn't word that correctly at all. I was saying that Irving and Smart would go to BKN (with us receiving no salary back) and then the big TPE would be used to acquire Conley with a pick or two. My summation of Smart and pick(s) was a combination of what we would be losing.

Edit: nm, Moranis had a better idea than I did. Tp. No need for the TPE and MEM would deservedly be receiving Smart rather than BKN.

[gpap]

If our interest is true, Kyrie has told Danny gone for good which is not surprising given the way he was treated. Too bad, I was trying to rack my brain when was the last time we had two bonafide superstars in their prime wearing green and drew a blank. Close in 80s but not quite two top ten players. Definitely not 07-08 as they were awesome but past their prime. We could have had Davis and Kyrie plus Hayward and Horford...what a shame...what a shame...

Nobody treated Kyrie poorly. He had it made here and did whatever he wanted. And Ainge is probably willing to bend backwards to assemble a roster Taylor made for him.

Danny treated him well. That I agree with but elements of our media and fandom did not. This is where I disagree. He was not embraced fully due to to lingering bitterness with IT situation and I did love IT. That coupled with expectations that we would miraculously vault to a mid 60s win team overnight. When that did not happen, the claws were out by many.

Disagree. I went to many games last season and Kyrie was cheered and supported like a king. And the IT trade had nothing to do with it. Fans loved IT and rightfully so but anyone could see Ky was the better player. Boston isn't the easiest place to play, but Kyrie has nothing to complain about.

[NKY fan]

Danny trying to save face with this. It’s slightly embarrassing that 2 years ago we had the 1st seed ; conference finals appearance and the number 1 draft pick and all we will end up with is :
Overpaid injury prone borderline all star
Soon to be overpaid jaylen
And regressing Tatum
🤦🏻‍♂️

[footey]

If our interest is true, Kyrie has told Danny gone for good which is not surprising given the way he was treated. Too bad, I was trying to rack my brain when was the last time we had two bonafide superstars in their prime wearing green and drew a blank. Close in 80s but not quite two top ten players. Definitely not 07-08 as they were awesome but past their prime. We could have had Davis and Kyrie plus Hayward and Horford...what a shame...what a shame...

Nobody treated Kyrie poorly. He had it made here and did whatever he wanted. And Ainge is probably willing to bend backwards to assemble a roster Taylor made for him.

Danny treated him well. That I agree with but elements of our media and fandom did not. This is where I disagree. He was not embraced fully due to to lingering bitterness with IT situation and I did love IT. That coupled with expectations that we would miraculously vault to a mid 60s win team overnight. When that did not happen, the claws were out by many.

Most of us forgot about IT as soon as Kyrie arrived.

He acted like a major jerk multiple times last season, to his teammates, his coach and the local media. That is why he was criticized, and rightfully so.

And yet most of us would gladly take him back. Just because we are sick about winning championships. And know that our easiest path is with him and AD.

We’re kind of pathetic. Or at least masochistic.

[gouki88]

Probably a bad indication of where Kyrie is going

[jpotter33]

Sign and trade Irving and add some salary to him to create a large enough trade exception.  Then trade a couple of firsts to Memphis for Conley.

Due to BYC, Irving's salary will only count for $20.1M in outgoing salary. We are looking at sending out Smart if that's the case. If Irving is leaving anyway, then I guess it is just Smart and pick(s) for Conley, but I am still not totally sold on that one. I would personally just rather push for Russell in a double S&T. Irving, Yabu, picks, and other sweeteners, but not Smart.

I don’t think you can use a trade exception plus salary to trade for a player with a larger salary though, can you? To use a trade exception in a trade, I think the incoming player must completely fit inside the tpe abd can’t be combined with other salary.

I didn't word that correctly at all. I was saying that Irving and Smart would go to BKN (with us receiving no salary back) and then the big TPE would be used to acquire Conley with a pick or two. My summation of Smart and pick(s) was a combination of what we would be losing.

Edit: nm, Moranis had a better idea than I did. Tp. No need for the TPE and MEM would deservedly be receiving Smart rather than BKN.

So it'd be something like:

Boston: Conley

Brooklyn: Kyrie (S&T), likely draft compensation of some sort (pick 22 this year?)

Memphis: Smart, draft compensation (14 this year?)

But, yeah, if we do that I don't see how we also get AD. I also don't see why Brooklyn would help us out with this. Not only would it not be in their best interests right now to help a divisional rival, but they're probably also still sour about the Brooklyn trade with Danny.

Just don't see how we get both Conley and AD while keeping both Horford and Hayward.

[JBcat]

Sign and trade Irving and add some salary to him to create a large enough trade exception.  Then trade a couple of firsts to Memphis for Conley.

Due to BYC, Irving's salary will only count for $20.1M in outgoing salary. We are looking at sending out Smart if that's the case. If Irving is leaving anyway, then I guess it is just Smart and pick(s) for Conley, but I am still not totally sold on that one. I would personally just rather push for Russell in a double S&T. Irving, Yabu, picks, and other sweeteners, but not Smart.

I don’t think you can use a trade exception plus salary to trade for a player with a larger salary though, can you? To use a trade exception in a trade, I think the incoming player must completely fit inside the tpe abd can’t be combined with other salary.

I think he is saying instead of a trade exception you just have to do a 3 team trade.

i.e. Irving to Nets, Conley to C's, Smart/picks to Memphis.  Add in other pieces as necessary.  Heck maybe you even do a Rozier sign and trade instead of Smart (assuming Rozier wants to go to Memphis and that they want Rozier)

As much as I like Conley I have to say I’m not crazy about the idea of throwing in Smart for a soon to be 32 year old PG.  I realize Conley just had a fantastic season, but he’s reaching a fragile age of decline not in the distant future.

I really like Conley as a fit for our team, but not necessarily as a trading partner for our team due to his salary and age.

[jpotter33]

Probably a bad indication of where Kyrie is going

I think this is important to remember, though, too:

https://twitter.com/celticsblog/status/1138618365843517440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1138618365843517440&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

I'm all about the rumors, but a word of caution here: Danny Ainge will (and should) kick the tires on every available player looking for value. Doesn't mean he'll make a deal.

This rumor may stem from a simple phone call Danny had just superficially inquiring about what they would want for Conley. As seen in the discussion above, Conley doesn't really make much sense for us to pursue as a Kyrie replacement, as his huge contract is cost-prohibitive and likely preventing us from making a trade that makes sense.

[GreenEnvy]

If our interest is true, Kyrie has told Danny gone for good which is not surprising given the way he was treated. Too bad, I was trying to rack my brain when was the last time we had two bonafide superstars in their prime wearing green and drew a blank. Close in 80s but not quite two top ten players. Definitely not 07-08 as they were awesome but past their prime. We could have had Davis and Kyrie plus Hayward and Horford...what a shame...what a shame...

Nobody treated Kyrie poorly. He had it made here and did whatever he wanted. And Ainge is probably willing to bend backwards to assemble a roster Taylor made for him.

Danny treated him well. That I agree with but elements of our media and fandom did not. This is where I disagree. He was not embraced fully due to to lingering bitterness with IT situation and I did love IT. That coupled with expectations that we would miraculously vault to a mid 60s win team overnight. When that did not happen, the claws were out by many.

I really don’t understand the media and fans running him out of town narrative. He brought it all on himself. His comments and play brought on media scrutiny, of which will only be magnified in New York. If this was too much for him, New York will eat him alive.

People here seemed to bash Isaiah to death once we made the trade, so I don’t believe he felt any of that backlash from fans. He was embraced from day 1, especially when Hayward went down and he carried the load.

The bottom line is this team had championship aspirations, and fell wildly short. In his eyes, it’s Brad’s fault, it’s the younger players’ fault, it’s Hayward’s fault, and probably even Danny’s fault. Everyones but his. Statistically he had a fantastic season. He was also statistically abysmal to end the Milwaukee series.

He wants to be the leader when the going is good, but doesn’t want to feel the pressure when things are bad. Whether he goes or stays, I really don’t care anymore. But he is simply not the leader he believes he is.

[NKY fan]

Sign and trade Irving and add some salary to him to create a large enough trade exception.  Then trade a couple of firsts to Memphis for Conley.

Due to BYC, Irving's salary will only count for $20.1M in outgoing salary. We are looking at sending out Smart if that's the case. If Irving is leaving anyway, then I guess it is just Smart and pick(s) for Conley, but I am still not totally sold on that one. I would personally just rather push for Russell in a double S&T. Irving, Yabu, picks, and other sweeteners, but not Smart.

I don’t think you can use a trade exception plus salary to trade for a player with a larger salary though, can you? To use a trade exception in a trade, I think the incoming player must completely fit inside the tpe abd can’t be combined with other salary.

I didn't word that correctly at all. I was saying that Irving and Smart would go to BKN (with us receiving no salary back) and then the big TPE would be used to acquire Conley with a pick or two. My summation of Smart and pick(s) was a combination of what we would be losing.

Edit: nm, Moranis had a better idea than I did. Tp. No need for the TPE and MEM would deservedly be receiving Smart rather than BKN.

So it'd be something like:

Boston: Conley

Brooklyn: Kyrie (S&T), likely draft compensation of some sort (pick 22 this year?)

Memphis: Smart, draft compensation (14 this year?)

But, yeah, if we do that I don't see how we also get AD. I also don't see why Brooklyn would help us out with this. Not only would it not be in their best interests right now to help a divisional rival, but they're probably also still sour about the Brooklyn trade with Danny.

Just don't see how we get both Conley and AD while keeping both Horford and Hayward.

A lot of people were laughing at me when I suggested S&T Kyrie to Brooklyn for crabbes contract.. we definitely can use expiring contracts

[philr13]

Sign and trade Irving and add some salary to him to create a large enough trade exception.  Then trade a couple of firsts to Memphis for Conley.

Due to BYC, Irving's salary will only count for $20.1M in outgoing salary. We are looking at sending out Smart if that's the case. If Irving is leaving anyway, then I guess it is just Smart and pick(s) for Conley, but I am still not totally sold on that one. I would personally just rather push for Russell in a double S&T. Irving, Yabu, picks, and other sweeteners, but not Smart.

I don’t think you can use a trade exception plus salary to trade for a player with a larger salary though, can you? To use a trade exception in a trade, I think the incoming player must completely fit inside the tpe abd can’t be combined with other salary.

I think he is saying instead of a trade exception you just have to do a 3 team trade.

i.e. Irving to Nets, Conley to C's, Smart/picks to Memphis.  Add in other pieces as necessary.  Heck maybe you even do a Rozier sign and trade instead of Smart (assuming Rozier wants to go to Memphis and that they want Rozier)

As much as I like Conley I have to say I’m not crazy about the idea of throwing in Smart for a soon to be 32 year old PG.  I realize Conley just had a fantastic season, but he’s reaching a fragile age of decline not in the distant future.

I really like Conley as a fit for our team, but not necessarily as a trading partner for our team due to his salary and age.

I don't see Boston trading Smart and picks for Conley. He's been extremely injury prone in recent years and he makes way too much money. Smart is 25 years old and just made first team all defensive. He's on a very team friendly contract. He's not going anywhere unless it's for a young franchise level player like Davis.

There will not be a sign-and-trade involving Irving because it doesn't benefit Irving in any way. The league has made sign-and-trades nearly impossible to execute. When was the last time any player was involved in a sign-and-trade?

[Chief Macho]

unless hayward asked to be moved i dont see any salary matching besides his. 

[gouki88]

Probably a bad indication of where Kyrie is going

I think this is important to remember, though, too:

https://twitter.com/celticsblog/status/1138618365843517440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1138618365843517440&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

I'm all about the rumors, but a word of caution here: Danny Ainge will (and should) kick the tires on every available player looking for value. Doesn't mean he'll make a deal.

This rumor may stem from a simple phone call Danny had just superficially inquiring about what they would want for Conley. As seen in the discussion above, Conley doesn't really make much sense for us to pursue as a Kyrie replacement, as his huge contract is cost-prohibitive and likely preventing us from making a trade that makes sense.

Yeah, that's definitely true. Ainge is almost too proactive sometimes, lol.

I agree that Conley as a replacement doesn't really make sense for us, and it doesn't seem like Danny to get desperate if things start to fall the wrong way for us

[slamtheking]

Sign and trade Irving and add some salary to him to create a large enough trade exception.  Then trade a couple of firsts to Memphis for Conley.

Due to BYC, Irving's salary will only count for $20.1M in outgoing salary. We are looking at sending out Smart if that's the case. If Irving is leaving anyway, then I guess it is just Smart and pick(s) for Conley, but I am still not totally sold on that one. I would personally just rather push for Russell in a double S&T. Irving, Yabu, picks, and other sweeteners, but not Smart.

I don’t think you can use a trade exception plus salary to trade for a player with a larger salary though, can you? To use a trade exception in a trade, I think the incoming player must completely fit inside the tpe abd can’t be combined with other salary.

I didn't word that correctly at all. I was saying that Irving and Smart would go to BKN (with us receiving no salary back) and then the big TPE would be used to acquire Conley with a pick or two. My summation of Smart and pick(s) was a combination of what we would be losing.

Edit: nm, Moranis had a better idea than I did. Tp. No need for the TPE and MEM would deservedly be receiving Smart rather than BKN.

So it'd be something like:

Boston: Conley

Brooklyn: Kyrie (S&T), likely draft compensation of some sort (pick 22 this year?)

Memphis: Smart, draft compensation (14 this year?)

But, yeah, if we do that I don't see how we also get AD. I also don't see why Brooklyn would help us out with this. Not only would it not be in their best interests right now to help a divisional rival, but they're probably also still sour about the Brooklyn trade with Danny.

Just don't see how we get both Conley and AD while keeping both Horford and Hayward.

awful trade idea.  Kyrie, Smart and 2 firsts for Conley?  I'd rather Kyrie just go for nothing