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Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #255 on: May 17, 2019, 09:21:44 PM »

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So after hearing Chris Gasper on felger and mazz today, Im now officially out on Rozier.   Ive been a defender of his,  but it appears he was indeed a real asshat in the locker room this  year.   

cant wait for a whole new point guard rotation next year.

Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #256 on: May 17, 2019, 09:28:34 PM »

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I have no clue how people are actually defending Rozier after his ESPN appearances.

Even if he was being honest, it wasn't right the way he did it.

Do you see Sixers players currently lashing out to the media and ripping the team and coaches in public? It was a frustrating year and there's a lot of people to blame, but the way Rozier went about venting his frustrations is unacceptable. This guy even spoke in third person when asked questions. Doesn't sound like a guy who really cares about the success of the team.

I for one will be glad when he's gone to a mediocre team who pays him 12M+ AAV.

Can't believe I say this after last year's playoff run which he was a huge part of, but it's become pretty clear to me he was a big part of the locker room issues this season. He thought he could be "the man" himself but he wasn't even a great bench player if we're being honest.

Completely agree. I hope Danny lets him go.
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Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #257 on: May 17, 2019, 10:12:31 PM »

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How is that funny?  Those are hard stats that Nick posted and I didn't change one thing about them.

Obviously he's not gonna get Iverson minutes, but with the subtraction of Kyrie I think those numbers would be pretty close except rebounds.

Yall dream of JB shooting that ft %, and in what world is 35% 3pt shooting not acceptable?

And do yall honestly think anyone can sustain shooting 3's at 43% clip? (Tatum)

Yall demand perfection from everyone while happy to watch Kyrie bust it all up and do what he wants, no matter the outcome or how bad it is.

You guys are an enigma or something  :)

I'm beginning to think yall are trolls from another team wanting us to keep our cancer.

Correction:  Kyrie AND Hayward  :)
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Yeah but I said "beginning to think"  I didn't call him that.

Do I really bother yall that much?  I mean, let me know right now

I have no problem with you at all.

I'm just simply saying the same issues that you claim Irving have, can also apply to Rozier...

Criticize Irving all you want, but we are not better with Rozier leading the point. That is simply false, and unless you provide actual statistics to back up your claim, it is hard for me to believe or find you credible.

USG % went down, his assist to turnover ratio is the best in his career, and he averaged career high in APG. He did iso occasionally, but did Tatum, and Rozier not do that also? A lot of hatred towards Irving, I simply don't get it. He had his best career season.

I do not hate Kyrie, man. I see he can get by anyone whenever he wants and get his shot whenever or wherever, handle off the chain and is even a pretty elite passer.

It just doesn't translate for whatever reason in his mind, and how many more years are you gonna wait with 2 already gone and him nearing 28 when he's not gonna get any better?

Now...does the ball swing better to other players when Terry is the point?  Be truthful to yourself.

Can he not keep players in front of him better?  Especially as a point and not a wing?


Does he not rebound well for a point his size?

Does he not shoot the 3 at 35%?

Does Kyrie score much better?  YES

Were they competitive with it against a contending team?  NO

Rebounding? Sure, I'll give you that.

Shoot the 3 at 35%? Umm... So he shot the ball at league average? How is that impressive? Irving shot 40%

Rozier is a great defender, I'll also agree with that; when he's engaged. When he isn't, he sucks. And before you tell me why that is the reason he should be starting. BEING a MALCONTENT because you aren't starting or getting heavy minutes IS NOT professional. It shows clear signs of immaturity, and lack of leadership. The same qualities you claim Irving also lacks. So why does Rozier get a pass on this?

Speaking of passing.. Does the ball swing better? I'm not going to answer that question. The simple eye test should explain how weak his court vision is.

All in all, I've never hated Rozier until he threw his team under the bus. I feel his pain, because he thinks he should be starting. That being said, you're not starting over an All-Star PG that averages twice as PPG, and doubles the same amount assists. If you care and want to be considered a team player, think about improvements in your game. That's what frustrates me about Rozier. He made it all about him, and said the team sucked basically. He didn't say that he didn't do a good job, and could improve his game in the future.

It's pretty telling that in the past 3 years before Irving came, we have had enormous success in the regular season. Rozier has a career -24 plus minus. Irving is +331. Sure plus/minus is a flawed stat, but if Rozier swung and moved the ball more, I would imagine he wouldn't be so dreadful in +/-. That alone should tell you the scope of Rozier's development.

I always felt like Rozier could've been Avery Bradley protege. That ship has long sailed. Rozier was content in taking 3's like 4-6 seconds into the shot clock, instead of using his physical gifts/and tools to create offense.

Yall can hate him all day for that, that's not what I was arguing. I tend not to get mad at men saying how they feel...plus he should be mad and I feel he would be better off away from here.

Doesn't make Kyrie a better point though

Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #258 on: May 17, 2019, 11:03:30 PM »

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So after hearing Chris Gasper on felger and mazz today, Im now officially out on Rozier.   Ive been a defender of his,  but it appears he was indeed a real asshat in the locker room this  year.   

cant wait for a whole new point guard rotation next year.

I try to avoid listening to Felger & Mazz especially when they talk about baskeball - can you share any details?
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Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #259 on: May 17, 2019, 11:29:45 PM »

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So after hearing Chris Gasper on felger and mazz today, Im now officially out on Rozier.   Ive been a defender of his,  but it appears he was indeed a real asshat in the locker room this  year.   

cant wait for a whole new point guard rotation next year.

I try to avoid listening to Felger & Mazz especially when they talk about baskeball - can you share any details?


There weren't any details.  They were just giving Gasper a hard time about being an "insider".  Joking around.   Gasper finally just gave a  " I'll say something insider"  and basically said Terry was a real distraction in the locker room.  He confirmed it completely.   He said Rozier had a real ego problem,  expecting to play more,  thinking he was way better than he was.  Everything people here were assuming. 

I had given him the benefit of the doubt.  Thought it was just rumor.   But, nope,  Terry was a jerk this year. 

Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #260 on: May 17, 2019, 11:47:27 PM »

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So after hearing Chris Gasper on felger and mazz today, Im now officially out on Rozier.   Ive been a defender of his,  but it appears he was indeed a real asshat in the locker room this  year.   

cant wait for a whole new point guard rotation next year.

I try to avoid listening to Felger & Mazz especially when they talk about baskeball - can you share any details?


There weren't any details.  They were just giving Gasper a hard time about being an "insider".  Joking around.   Gasper finally just gave a  " I'll say something insider"  and basically said Terry was a real distraction in the locker room.  He confirmed it completely.   He said Rozier had a real ego problem,  expecting to play more,  thinking he was way better than he was.  Everything people here were assuming. 

I had given him the benefit of the doubt.  Thought it was just rumor.   But, nope,  Terry was a jerk this year.

Brad should've sent him home, like he did with Keith Bogans, or kept him parked on the bench.  Can't let that kind of stuff fester in the locker room.  Bench Morris, even Kyrie if they're acting petulant.  No exceptions.  Instead Brad gave Rozier playing time he didn't deserve, which still didn't satisfy him obviously.  He lost command and respect (apparently) by doing this.  Should have just held the line for the good of the team.

Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #261 on: May 18, 2019, 12:22:47 AM »

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So after hearing Chris Gasper on felger and mazz today, Im now officially out on Rozier.   Ive been a defender of his,  but it appears he was indeed a real asshat in the locker room this  year.   

cant wait for a whole new point guard rotation next year.

I try to avoid listening to Felger & Mazz especially when they talk about baskeball - can you share any details?


There weren't any details.  They were just giving Gasper a hard time about being an "insider".  Joking around.   Gasper finally just gave a  " I'll say something insider"  and basically said Terry was a real distraction in the locker room.  He confirmed it completely.   He said Rozier had a real ego problem,  expecting to play more,  thinking he was way better than he was.  Everything people here were assuming. 

I had given him the benefit of the doubt.  Thought it was just rumor.   But, nope,  Terry was a jerk this year.

Ok thanks, it was what I had suspected throughout the season  :-\  TP for the info
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Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #262 on: May 18, 2019, 08:11:53 AM »

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Rozier isn't a better "fit" than Kyrie.  Rozier plays the same type of game, he just plays it at a vastly inferior level.  It's not like we're talking about a pass-first versus a scoring PG, or an elite pick-and-roll PG versus an iso-heavy player.  What skill (outside of perhaps rebounding) does Rozier have that Kyrie doesn't?

And seriously, we're arguing about Terry's production if he was suddenly given 44 minutes per game?  Terry ranked 11th on the team in points per minute.  He was behind Wanamaker and Theis.  "Per 44 minutes", Terry ranked 270th in the NBA.  He also ranked 400th (!!) in True Shooting Percentage.  What point is it that is trying to be argued?

You're posting things that have no bearing on my point, and obviously you missed a couple posts if you're still talking about 44 minutes.

All yall can see is Kyrie's scoring, but if you haven't noticed, we don't really need that kind of scoring at the point...to the detriment of the team.

What that does is shore up our perimeter defense a little bit better so the entire team is not a step behind the ball or players driving, so the bigs and the rest of the team have a better chance of staying in front of people, and not so out of position for rebounds, and most importantly free's up the rest of the scorers for a more balanced and consistent attack.

If you can't see that, then there's no more reason for me to keep writing it.

Your points don't make any sense...

You talk about not needing scoring, and improving perimeter defense. Our main issue last year has been defined roles, ball movement, not cutting/moving off-ball, and defense down low. There were many times where players drove by us, perimeter defense is important, but not every player is Kawhi Leonard that can shut someone down man on man consistently..

By the way Irving ranked 4.7 in VORP, career high, along with 0.4 on DPM/2.9 on DWS.

So you're literally just either making stuff up, or share the similar intense dislike for Irving like some of the users here.

Also what does your scoring argument + the rebounding/perimeter defense have anything to do with each other?

Are you saying because Irving iso's, and shoots a lot that it doesn't allow the defense to get back in transition/offensive rebounding? I don't get it.

Just so you'll understand...

Defined roles=Brad and Kyrie's fault...Only Kyrie has a defined role...shoot whenever he wants
Ball movement=Kyrie's fault...Refuses to pass
Not cutting=Kyrie's fault...what's the point of cutting if he's fighting through 5 guys to shoot?
Defense down low= Brad's fault...ineffective switching scheme, everyone getting by Kyrie taking bigs out of the paint...with foul pressure, so they play fake defense.

And I meant if Rozier was the starting point that's how it would change the team without any player movement except letting Kyrie walk.

Now if you don't understand any of that then you should be a hockey fan.

Come on terry.

Statistics have proven, in multiple posts, that the notion of irving not passing is false.

He has the same assist numbers as lillard/kemba/george/mitchell and the list goes in.

Scoring guard...guess what...score. Its not their job to be the main playmaker. That is why they play better with other playmakers. And your playmaker doesnt need to be your pg anymore. Hasnt been that way for a decade.

And players not cutting? Thats on the system amd the players.

Defense? Kyrie trumped rozier in all hustle stats, trumped smart in a few as well. . defensive rating terry was a whole 1 point ahead...while player against inferior talent. But kyrie destroyed terry in net rating

But then there is that whole pesky defemsive win shares number...which favours Irving...but you know. That doesnt fit the narrative so lets keep numbers out of it and just say kyrie is worse than terry.


Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #263 on: May 18, 2019, 11:28:10 AM »

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Even when Terry was a player at Louisville he was not considered a point guard. Pitino said as much, stating that he needed Terry to be a scorer. He was used primarily as a shooting guard. It should be no surprise that when he entered the NBA he would seek his true level. Danny "hoped" that he would grow to be a facilitator because he has the physical tools, but as of now, that ship has sailed.

The very second he got that "Scary Terry" handle he became a legend in his own mind. Terry played the entire year to get noticed for his up and coming contract negotiations and little else. Frankly, it was disappointing that Stevens didn't just shut him down in favor of Wannamaker.

In time Terry may find himself and realize that he's not a number one scoring option and the only thing "scary" about him is that he's a black hole.   

Re: Rozier On Get Up! & First Take Today
« Reply #264 on: May 19, 2019, 04:56:30 PM »

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So after hearing Chris Gasper on felger and mazz today, Im now officially out on Rozier.   Ive been a defender of his,  but it appears he was indeed a real asshat in the locker room this  year.   

cant wait for a whole new point guard rotation next year.

What did Gasper say?

Can anyone provide a link?