Rozier trade talks from last offseason

[Triplenickle]

NBA2K20 is gonna feature Bron, Kyrie, AD or KD in El segundo.

They will all star in Uncle Drew II

NY is just a smokescreen

Oh, and Ty Lue...the El segundo Cavalakers

[Silky]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

[indeedproceed]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

Quick question: have you ever seen Rozier start in a basketball game outside of game 7 in the ECF?

[Silky]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

Quick question: have you ever seen Rozier start in a basketball game outside of game 7 in the ECF?

Yeah.

First off it is a very small sample size, and there is larger evidence to show that Terry is not a very good player than there is to show he is a mediocre starting point guard.

But lets look into the numbers.

Last season as a starter (15 games regular season and remember no Marcus smart so Terry had HUGE USAGE) terry
went for 15.6, 6.4, 5.1 with 1.1steals, 1.6 turnovers, 35% from 3 and 37% from the floor.

In the playoffs terry did 16.4, 5.2, 5.7 with 1.2steals and 1.1 turnovers on 33% from 3 and 40% from the floor.

These are not allstar numbers, these are not championship calibre team numbers, and IMO, the sample size is too [dang] small.


this season as a starter 13, 5 and 5 on low 40s shooting.



And I am not even taking into account his fit with the rest of the personnel (which is bad), and how bad he is at running a team and how poor his BBall IQ is overall.




He is NOT a suitable plan B to Kyrie Irving.

[Triplenickle]

You'll never know because they never gave him or them an opportunity to pick up where they left off.

Brad and Danny are much too clever for that.

So clever in fact, that they prefer to back into the playoffs as an 8th seed .500 team without even trying the setup that got yall thinking you have a decent team.

They paid 60 million a year to stink...and make the youngsters feel they're not worth anything.

Very nice...and Crowder must be somewhere chucklin

[Green-18]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

Quick question: have you ever seen Rozier start in a basketball game outside of game 7 in the ECF?

Yeah.

First off it is a very small sample size, and there is larger evidence to show that Terry is not a very good player than there is to show he is a mediocre starting point guard.

But lets look into the numbers.

Last season as a starter (15 games regular season and remember no Marcus smart so Terry had HUGE USAGE) terry
went for 15.6, 6.4, 5.1 with 1.1steals, 1.6 turnovers, 35% from 3 and 37% from the floor.

In the playoffs terry did 16.4, 5.2, 5.7 with 1.2steals and 1.1 turnovers on 33% from 3 and 40% from the floor.

These are not allstar numbers, these are not championship calibre team numbers, and IMO, the sample size is too [dang] small.


this season as a starter 13, 5 and 5 on low 40s shooting.



And I am not even taking into account his fit with the rest of the personnel (which is bad), and how bad he is at running a team and how poor his BBall IQ is overall.




He is NOT a suitable plan B to Kyrie Irving.

If Irving leaves then I think the Rozier decision revolves around price and opportunity cost.  I doubt Ainge is going to pay a high premium for a new PG.  Rozier isn't such a terrible option if Hayward can regain All-Star form next season.  He's shown an ability to make up for mediocre shooting splits with solid ball pressure, rebounding, and transition scoring.

I expect improved chemistry and camaraderie if we roll forward with a core of Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Horford, and Smart.  Terry wouldn't be relied upon as much as he was during the 2018 playoffs.

Long story short, Ainge isn't going to force a move if the Kyrie and AD plan doesn't work out.  Plan B likely involves moving forward with the young core, followed by a series of small moves that positions us to make a big splash in a year or two.

[Monkhouse]

Exactly. PHO is all but guaranteed a Top-3 pick in this draft, so the pick wouldn't have conveyed this year. And depending on protections, it may not have conveyed in the coming few years either, and the pick probably would become devalued at the end (as 2nd rounders) since the Suns are poorly run and there doesn't seem to be hope from them honestly.

And yes, Rozier is essentially our Plan B if Kyrie leaves unless you can draft a legit PG somehow this summer (or sign one but we won't have the cap space for it).

We should have given up a 1st like the c's with tr for pho 1st unprotected...or clippers pick or similar type deal.

What in the world would make you believe the Suns would give up their unprotected pick this year for just about anything, nevermind for the quite lacking package of Rozier and a mid to late first?

They wanted to send a highly protected pick for Rozier. Do you honestly think throwing in a pick at around 16-18 is going to make them not only take protections off of a pick but give up what looks to be a top 4 pick as well?

People, the NBA is not 2K18.

Nick, get with the times, there's NBA 2K19. 

[Silky]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

Quick question: have you ever seen Rozier start in a basketball game outside of game 7 in the ECF?

Yeah.

First off it is a very small sample size, and there is larger evidence to show that Terry is not a very good player than there is to show he is a mediocre starting point guard.

But lets look into the numbers.

Last season as a starter (15 games regular season and remember no Marcus smart so Terry had HUGE USAGE) terry
went for 15.6, 6.4, 5.1 with 1.1steals, 1.6 turnovers, 35% from 3 and 37% from the floor.

In the playoffs terry did 16.4, 5.2, 5.7 with 1.2steals and 1.1 turnovers on 33% from 3 and 40% from the floor.

These are not allstar numbers, these are not championship calibre team numbers, and IMO, the sample size is too [dang] small.


this season as a starter 13, 5 and 5 on low 40s shooting.



And I am not even taking into account his fit with the rest of the personnel (which is bad), and how bad he is at running a team and how poor his BBall IQ is overall.




He is NOT a suitable plan B to Kyrie Irving.

If Irving leaves then I think the Rozier decision revolves around price and opportunity cost.  I doubt Ainge is going to pay a high premium for a new PG.  Rozier isn't such a terrible option if Hayward can regain All-Star form next season.  He's shown an ability to make up for mediocre shooting splits with solid ball pressure, rebounding, and transition scoring.

I expect improved chemistry and camaraderie if we roll forward with a core of Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Horford, and Smart.  Terry wouldn't be relied upon as much as he was during the 2018 playoffs.

Long story short, Ainge isn't going to force a move if the Kyrie and AD plan doesn't work out.  Plan B likely involves moving forward with the young core, followed by a series of small moves that positions us to make a big splash in a year or two.

In relation to the Rozier being oK if Hayward returns to form, it should be pretty obvious by now that those 2 do not work well together on the court

[indeedproceed]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

Quick question: have you ever seen Rozier start in a basketball game outside of game 7 in the ECF?

Yeah.

First off it is a very small sample size, and there is larger evidence to show that Terry is not a very good player than there is to show he is a mediocre starting point guard.

But lets look into the numbers.

Last season as a starter (15 games regular season and remember no Marcus smart so Terry had HUGE USAGE) terry
went for 15.6, 6.4, 5.1 with 1.1steals, 1.6 turnovers, 35% from 3 and 37% from the floor.

In the playoffs terry did 16.4, 5.2, 5.7 with 1.2steals and 1.1 turnovers on 33% from 3 and 40% from the floor.

These are not allstar numbers, these are not championship calibre team numbers, and IMO, the sample size is too [dang] small.


this season as a starter 13, 5 and 5 on low 40s shooting.



And I am not even taking into account his fit with the rest of the personnel (which is bad), and how bad he is at running a team and how poor his BBall IQ is overall.




He is NOT a suitable plan B to Kyrie Irving.

I think you're evaluating him wrong here. As a starter during the regular season through his short career:

52.7 TS %
14.7 pts
6.0 rebs
5.4 asts
111 ORTG 104 DRTG
.396 3pt

The only guys doing that this season are Giannis, Jokic, and Eric Bledsoe.

[Green-18]

People claiming that Rozier is plan B should really re-evaluate their expectations.

I for one do not look at a McDouble as a plan B to a buttery juicy Porterhouse.

I do not see a used 1974 pinto as a plan b for a caddilac

I do not see a trip to syria as a plan b for a trip to Fiji.

Quick question: have you ever seen Rozier start in a basketball game outside of game 7 in the ECF?

Yeah.

First off it is a very small sample size, and there is larger evidence to show that Terry is not a very good player than there is to show he is a mediocre starting point guard.

But lets look into the numbers.

Last season as a starter (15 games regular season and remember no Marcus smart so Terry had HUGE USAGE) terry
went for 15.6, 6.4, 5.1 with 1.1steals, 1.6 turnovers, 35% from 3 and 37% from the floor.

In the playoffs terry did 16.4, 5.2, 5.7 with 1.2steals and 1.1 turnovers on 33% from 3 and 40% from the floor.

These are not allstar numbers, these are not championship calibre team numbers, and IMO, the sample size is too [dang] small.


this season as a starter 13, 5 and 5 on low 40s shooting.



And I am not even taking into account his fit with the rest of the personnel (which is bad), and how bad he is at running a team and how poor his BBall IQ is overall.




He is NOT a suitable plan B to Kyrie Irving.

If Irving leaves then I think the Rozier decision revolves around price and opportunity cost.  I doubt Ainge is going to pay a high premium for a new PG.  Rozier isn't such a terrible option if Hayward can regain All-Star form next season.  He's shown an ability to make up for mediocre shooting splits with solid ball pressure, rebounding, and transition scoring.

I expect improved chemistry and camaraderie if we roll forward with a core of Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Horford, and Smart.  Terry wouldn't be relied upon as much as he was during the 2018 playoffs.

Long story short, Ainge isn't going to force a move if the Kyrie and AD plan doesn't work out.  Plan B likely involves moving forward with the young core, followed by a series of small moves that positions us to make a big splash in a year or two.

In relation to the Rozier being oK if Hayward returns to form, it should be pretty obvious by now that those 2 do not work well together on the court

Is it fair to make a final conclusion without seeing Hayward at his best?  The entire dynamic of this group is messed up right now. 

I took a look at 5-man lineup stats and it turns out that the combo of Rozier, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, and Theis has played the 3rd most minutes of any combo on our team.  During this time they have posted a net rating of 20.9.  The 2nd most common lineup with Rozier and Hayward has posted a net rating of 13.4.  These two lineups have combined for a total of 154 minutes with a net rating of 17.53.

Obviously stats don't tell the entire story, especially when the sample size isn't huge.  That said, it's very difficult to make assumptions about their ability play together until we know if Hayward can return to All-Star form. 

[Silky]

Is it fair to make a final conclusion without seeing Hayward at his best? 

No, chose now.