Stevens finished in 3rd for COY. Danny finished 4th for EOY

[Moranis]

Ainge 4th is an even bigger joke than Stevens 3rd.

In the last year, he traded down but still grabbed the best player in the draft, cleared out room for a max All-Star free agent, traded for another one, and still had created a strong enough bench to absorb the loss of both said All-Stars to win even more games than the prior year’s #1 seed, despite turning over 11 of the 15 roster spots.

Yeah, I agree its more egregious than Stevens' finishing 3rd.  What this team did this past season coming off of a ECF appearance in '16-17 is truly remarkable.  It'll go on Ainge's Mt. Rushmore.

4th is an absolute joke.

Did Morey literally win for getting Chris Paul to take a trade there? I can't find any other transactions of note other than dumping Dillon Brooks who looks decent and signing so-so role players like Tucker.  I guess the Harden extension helped? Lifetime achievement award?

Tucker, Black, Mbah a Moute, Johnson.

[Surferdad]

On the bright side, I heard that Al Horford came in 2nd place in DPOY race, to Gobert.  That means he beat D. Jordan and Embiid.

[saltlover]

Ainge 4th is an even bigger joke than Stevens 3rd.

In the last year, he traded down but still grabbed the best player in the draft, cleared out room for a max All-Star free agent, traded for another one, and still had created a strong enough bench to absorb the loss of both said All-Stars to win even more games than the prior year’s #1 seed, despite turning over 11 of the 15 roster spots.

Yeah, I agree its more egregious than Stevens' finishing 3rd.  What this team did this past season coming off of a ECF appearance in '16-17 is truly remarkable.  It'll go on Ainge's Mt. Rushmore.

4th is an absolute joke.

Did Morey literally win for getting Chris Paul to take a trade there? I can't find any other transactions of note other than dumping Dillon Brooks who looks decent and signing so-so role players like Tucker.  I guess the Harden extension helped? Lifetime achievement award?

Tucker, Black, Mbah a Moute, Johnson.

So the equivalent of Baynes, Larkin, Theis, and Monroe for us.

[bdm860]

Ainge 4th is an even bigger joke than Stevens 3rd.

In the last year, he traded down but still grabbed the best player in the draft, cleared out room for a max All-Star free agent, traded for another one, and still had created a strong enough bench to absorb the loss of both said All-Stars to win even more games than the prior year’s #1 seed, despite turning over 11 of the 15 roster spots.

Yeah, I agree its more egregious than Stevens' finishing 3rd.  What this team did this past season coming off of a ECF appearance in '16-17 is truly remarkable.  It'll go on Ainge's Mt. Rushmore.

4th is an absolute joke.

Did Morey literally win for getting Chris Paul to take a trade there? I can't find any other transactions of note other than dumping Dillon Brooks who looks decent and signing so-so role players like Tucker.  I guess the Harden extension helped? Lifetime achievement award?

I feel like that Chris Paul trade was kind of genius though.

He got a max free agent the team couldn't afford.

Openly tampered with no penalty to make a trade happen instead.

But still didn't have the trade assets to pull it off without gutting his team, so he went out and traded for 5 non guaranteed players (Hilliard, Kelly, Quaterman, Liggins, Long) to make the trade work and not give back unwanted salary and also providing ammo for future trades (though nothing became of that).

If you asked all the great minds here on June 27th last year how the Rockets would be able to acquire Chris Paul, nobody would have been close to getting it right.

Morey didn't just trade for Chris Paul, he pulled off some of the greatest GMing ever to make it happen.

[Monkhouse]

On the bright side, I heard that Al Horford came in 2nd place in DPOY race, to Gobert.  That means he beat D. Jordan and Embiid.

He came in 5th by the way.

Scott Souza:

Jayson Tatum officially 3rd in #NBA Rookie of the Year voting. Jaylen Brown 7th for Most Improved, w/ Terry Rozier 11th. Al Horford 5th for Defensive Player of the Year w/ Brown 10th. Rozier 11th in 6th Man voting. Curiously, Marcus Smart had no DPOY or 6th Man votes. #Celtics

[bdm860]

I wonder if Danny and Brad take votes away from the other.

Brad Stevens coaching performance isn't as good as it looks because of all the great players Danny provides him with.  It's Danny Ainge whose getting the great players and high draft picks that makes Stevens look good.

Danny Ainge just looks like a good GM because Brad Stevens can turn any crap player into gold.  It's Brad Stevens making the C's look good, not Ainge getting the best talent.



But also on Ainge, maybe it's just the residual effect of the Brooklyn trade.  As in the voters don't want to reward him in '17-'18 for a move he made in '13-'14.  Because the C's wouldn't have had the chance to trade for Tatum or Kyrie without the Brooklyn trade.  It's like giving EOY to Riley for the 4 straight years he had LeBron, or Bob Myers for every year the team keeps Curry, Durant, Thompson, and Green together.  Sure if voters could go back in time they'd probably give it Danny in '14, but they're not going to vote for him every year because of a heist he pulled off years before.


Just some theories.

[Big333223]

Ainge 4th is an even bigger joke than Stevens 3rd.

In the last year, he traded down but still grabbed the best player in the draft, cleared out room for a max All-Star free agent, traded for another one, and still had created a strong enough bench to absorb the loss of both said All-Stars to win even more games than the prior year’s #1 seed, despite turning over 11 of the 15 roster spots.

Yeah, I agree its more egregious than Stevens' finishing 3rd.  What this team did this past season coming off of a ECF appearance in '16-17 is truly remarkable.  It'll go on Ainge's Mt. Rushmore.

4th is an absolute joke.

Did Morey literally win for getting Chris Paul to take a trade there? I can't find any other transactions of note other than dumping Dillon Brooks who looks decent and signing so-so role players like Tucker.  I guess the Harden extension helped? Lifetime achievement award?

I feel like that Chris Paul trade was kind of genius though.

He got a max free agent the team couldn't afford.

Openly tampered with no penalty to make a trade happen instead.

But still didn't have the trade assets to pull it off without gutting his team, so he went out and traded for 5 non guaranteed players (Hilliard, Kelly, Quaterman, Liggins, Long) to make the trade work and not give back unwanted salary and also providing ammo for future trades (though nothing became of that).

If you asked all great minds here on June 27th last year how the Rockets would be able to acquire Chris Paul, nobody would have been close to getting it right.

Morey didn't just trade for Chris Paul, he pulled off some of the greatest GMing ever to make it happen.

That's actually pretty impressive.

It's still a joke that Ainge didn't get EotY.

[Boris Badenov]

Scott Souza:

Jayson Tatum officially 3rd in #NBA Rookie of the Year voting. Jaylen Brown 7th for Most Improved, w/ Terry Rozier 11th. Al Horford 5th for Defensive Player of the Year w/ Brown 10th. Rozier 11th in 6th Man voting. Curiously, Marcus Smart had no DPOY or 6th Man votes. #Celtics

If that isn’t a slam dunk case for COTY all by itself I don’t know what is. And then you add how they played without GH and Kyrie.

What a joke.

[Big333223]

I wonder if Danny and Brad take votes away from the other.

Brad Stevens coaching performance isn't as good as it looks because of all the great players Danny provides him with.  It's Danny Ainge whose getting the great players and high draft picks that makes Stevens look good.

Danny Ainge just looks like a good GM because Brad Stevens can turn any crap player into gold.  It's Brad Stevens making the C's look good, not Ainge getting the best talent.

I feel like there was similar thinking with the All Defense teams.

The C's were the best defensive team in the league but no one made the All Defense 1st team and only Horford made the 2nd team. The thinking was, Smart and Brown were more just part of the system, as opposed to actually being 2 of the 10 best defenders in the NBA. But then Stevens doesn't get credit for coaching a great defensive team because he has such great defenders on the roster. And around and around we go.

[fairweatherfan]

Ainge 4th is an even bigger joke than Stevens 3rd.

In the last year, he traded down but still grabbed the best player in the draft, cleared out room for a max All-Star free agent, traded for another one, and still had created a strong enough bench to absorb the loss of both said All-Stars to win even more games than the prior year’s #1 seed, despite turning over 11 of the 15 roster spots.

Yeah, I agree its more egregious than Stevens' finishing 3rd.  What this team did this past season coming off of a ECF appearance in '16-17 is truly remarkable.  It'll go on Ainge's Mt. Rushmore.

4th is an absolute joke.

Did Morey literally win for getting Chris Paul to take a trade there? I can't find any other transactions of note other than dumping Dillon Brooks who looks decent and signing so-so role players like Tucker.  I guess the Harden extension helped? Lifetime achievement award?

I feel like that Chris Paul trade was kind of genius though.

He got a max free agent the team couldn't afford.

Openly tampered with no penalty to make a trade happen instead.

But still didn't have the trade assets to pull it off without gutting his team, so he went out and traded for 5 non guaranteed players (Hilliard, Kelly, Quaterman, Liggins, Long) to make the trade work and not give back unwanted salary and also providing ammo for future trades (though nothing became of that).

If you asked all the great minds here on June 27th last year how the Rockets would be able to acquire Chris Paul, nobody would have been close to getting it right.

Morey didn't just trade for Chris Paul, he pulled off some of the greatest GMing ever to make it happen.

Ok that's fair, I underrated the amount of maneuvering it took to swing that. Still think it doesn't rise to what Danny did turning over almost an entire roster, finding multiple rookies who could contribute, then losing the best two players and still making a 7-game ECF.

One of my favorite things about tampering is that it's so hard to prove that almost nobody gets caught doing it...except the Lakers who somehow screw it up constantly 

[fairweatherfan]

I hate to use this analogy on a Celtics forum, but it's occurred to me that having both Brad and Danny is kinda like when the Lakers had Kobe and Shaq - both were so dominant at their peak that neither could win an MVP*.  Good problem to have, for sure, but they could be sort of indirectly taking votes from each other.




*Shaq's came just as Kobe was becoming a legit superstar. It's my analogy [dang it]!


EDIT: BDM beat me to the same idea, and did it without citing a L*ker.  TP.

[kozlodoev]

Scott Souza:

Jayson Tatum officially 3rd in #NBA Rookie of the Year voting. Jaylen Brown 7th for Most Improved, w/ Terry Rozier 11th. Al Horford 5th for Defensive Player of the Year w/ Brown 10th. Rozier 11th in 6th Man voting. Curiously, Marcus Smart had no DPOY or 6th Man votes. #Celtics

Marcus Smart played 54 games this season, so yeah. Don't expect to get (m)any all-NBA votes when you miss a third of the season.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I wonder if Danny and Brad take votes away from the other.

Brad Stevens coaching performance isn't as good as it looks because of all the great players Danny provides him with.  It's Danny Ainge whose getting the great players and high draft picks that makes Stevens look good.

Danny Ainge just looks like a good GM because Brad Stevens can turn any crap player into gold.  It's Brad Stevens making the C's look good, not Ainge getting the best talent.



But also on Ainge, maybe it's just the residual effect of the Brooklyn trade.  As in the voters don't want to reward him in '17-'18 for a move he made in '13-'14.  Because the C's wouldn't have had the chance to trade for Tatum or Kyrie without the Brooklyn trade.  It's like giving EOY to Riley for the 4 straight years he had LeBron, or Bob Myers for every year the team keeps Curry, Durant, Thompson, and Green together.  Sure if voters could go back in time they'd probably give it Danny in '14, but they're not going to vote for him every year because of a heist he pulled off years before.


Just some theories.

I hear you except the part about the picks. Yes, it's from the BKN picks but shouldn't be seen like keeping GSW together nor Riley and LBJ because DA had to make the right picks and trades otherwise we'd be a team like the Kings. All Mia and GSW have to do is pay their players, the players are keeping themselves together by winning and that is evidenced by LBJ leaving Mia. If Mia kept winning, LBJ would still be talking "not 1,2,3..."

Ainge had to do a heck of a lot to make out the way he has on that BKN trade, the Mia and GSW situations were/are merely a babysitting display (some work getting KD but that was the player's doing too)!

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Absolute cow manure.

Who else could have pulled off that Jayson Tatum heist? He was able to trade for a top 25 player for practically Collin Sexton, a battered IT and Jae Crowder. Aaron Baynes became a legitimate starter level player for roughly $4.3 Million. Daniel Theiss was a very good signing until he got hurt.

And Ainge is 4th?