No way i will choose Fox(+saric) over Fulz

[droopdog7]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players.

I disagree with the consensus.  I believe Josh Jackson will be the best player in this draft class.  There's an ease and a smoothness to his game which I think will translate to the NBA.  Couple that with his tenacity and defensive prowess, and I predict this kid will be a star.

Well then obviously this trade would be a no-brainer for you.  Of course, Jackson could be go #2 so there's that.

But tell me, what kind of player do you expect Jackson to be?  Do you disagree with my Shawn Marion comparison?  How would Jackson be different?  Is there another comp? 

I just don't see a guy that going to get his on a consistent level.  He actually my second rated player so I definitely like him.  Fultz is just on a different tier as a prospect.

I don't love comparisons.  I find them to be generally lazy and never really accurate.  Good players tend to be unique in at least as many ways as they are derivative of other players.

That said, Shawn Marion is probably about as solid a comparison as one could come up with.  I don't expect Markelle Fultz (or anyone else in this draft) to have a better career than the Matrix.

Comparisons are not lazy.  They are a way to get an idea of what a player might be.  How he might fit into a team and the league. 

But yeah, like I said, I think most people would be happy withe Matrix if they could get him.  I just have bigger aspirations for Fultz.  Could be fall short?  Of course.  Could Jackson end up being the best player?  No doubt.  But that's not what I see personally. 

[Diggles]

Question is would you do this:


#1 for #3 and

Okafor
Saric
Holmes

Phil Does this to get their big three:  Reminds me of Ray, Paul and KG


And What IF, WHAT IF...

Other teams want that #3 and we end up trading that again for more young talent.   LOL
Fultz        Scorer
Simmions Play maker
Embid      Post Defender / Score

[clevelandceltic]

I dont see the appeal of this trade at all. You basically give Philly the best guard prospect in a number of years for the chance to get another top pick next year. Lets assume Embiid and Simmons stay relatively healthy over the next 5 years. How many games are you going to win playing against Fultz, Embiid, and Simmons when you have Brown, say Tatum, and lets be optimistic and say Ayton and Duval? When  look at that list I see the 3 best players are on Philly thus I dont see how you move past them long term.

This deal has the potential to put them in no mans land. You have enough pieces to trade for Butler but you still lose to Cleveland and in the future you dont have the horses that have a high enough level to beat a Philly or Milwaukee.

Lets count our good fortune and take Fultz and if you are lucky next year to get top 4 you roll with that and say we have our young core to move into the future. 

[mef730]

Question is would you do this:


#1 for #3 and

Okafor
Saric
Holmes

Phil Does this to get their big three:  Reminds me of Ray, Paul and KG


And What IF, WHAT IF...

Other teams want that #3 and we end up trading that again for more young talent.   LOL
Fultz        Scorer
Simmions Play maker
Embid      Post Defender / Score

Nope. #3 will be pretty good. I know the upside of Saric and it's good, not great. The other two look like misses.

If they want #1, they can give me Saric, LAL17 and Sac19.

Mike