Is it just me or did Crowder used to take it strong to the hoop?/Start JB

[Rondo9]

So bad games and Jae is a bench player at best? 

[hpantazo]

One thing I've noticed both Crowder and IT doing this series is forcing the drive, then throwing up a wild running jumper as soon as they think they got contact. The refs haven't been giving them those calls, and I agree with the refs on that. Cut the poop and just play ball.

[Big333223]

I remember him being mostly catch and shoot his first season. If people bite a pump fake, sure, he might go to the rim. But he never had any real penetration moves with the ball in his hands.

This. When he first got here, he didn't have any offensive game to speak of. Each season, the percentage of his shots taken beyond the 3 point line has risen but the percentage of those shots he's making has gone up as well, so it makes sense for him to be taking more 3's (when they're open, that is).

But the idea that he was once a good slasher seems like revisionist history.

[GreenWarrior]

So bad games and Jae is a bench player at best? 

no, he wasn't that great to begin with. he was nothing more than a hustle role player and Celtics fans mistook that for talent.

[Ilikesports17]

So bad games and Jae is a bench player at best? 

no, he wasn't that great to begin with. he was nothing more than a hustle role player and Celtics fans mistook that for talent.

He shot 39% from deep this year and last year he was 1 vote away from an all-Defense selection

[Celtics4ever]

He shot 39% from deep this year and last year he was 1 vote away from an all-Defense selection

Which makes it more mystifying how he has been vanishing in some games in the playoffs.  To me, he is a certain level of player and that level of player will only get you so far in the playoffs.

His stats are about the same as they were in the regular season, save his shooting percentages.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crowdja01/gamelog/2017/

The last game  was really bad for him.  SF is an offensive position for most teams.   He is seventeen in forwards by PPG in the playoffs.  I can see the lapse if he was busting his tail on D, guarding a LeBron but he isn't.   He is in a funk.

44th in points scored by forwards in the playoffs.

http://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/#!?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PlayerPosition=F

52nd in total shooting percentage for forwards

http://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/#!?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PlayerPosition=F


90th in three pointing shooting for all forwards in the playoffs

http://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/#!?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=-1

I am grateful for what he did this season but in the off season he has been a source of anxiety on the offensive end time after time.   Sometimes I think he is only about 6-4 tall.  I hope he turns it around and proves me wrong.   

Crowder is a placeholder, take it easy on him.

Sorry  you might not have heard but they don't give out participation awards in the playoffs, you either deliver or you go home.

I think we need some offensive help and we need it now.   Crowder is trying to hard to be that guy which he is not.   Play within his game and his strengths.   In the regular season he took 10 shots from the field and 5.5 from the trey line.   Playioffs is has been 10.8 and 5.1 threes but many of them have been ill advised and attempts at money shots that he has no business taking. 

His FTA per game are down from 3 FTA to 2.7.   Maybe the OP is on to something.

[GreenWarrior]

So bad games and Jae is a bench player at best? 

no, he wasn't that great to begin with. he was nothing more than a hustle role player and Celtics fans mistook that for talent.

He shot 39% from deep this year and last year he was 1 vote away from an all-Defense selection

stats are great and I know c's fans(this board in particular) are so quick to point at them to justify our average players. but one thing stats don't show is how we shoot when teams raise their defensive level or better yet when good teams(ie. Cleveland, Hou. GS) raise their defensive level.

so crowder shooting 39% means squat. it's how you do it when it matters and this team fails in that position.

[GreenWarrior]

also the way these playoffs have gone have not surprised me at all. there's no one outside of IT that is a threat to drive to the basket; and oh btw IT is short and as far as "superstars" go he's the most easily defendable.

so when no one's a threat to drive and every player outside of IT is a shooter by default but not really an actual shooter we become very easily defendable.