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Jazz future and financial situation
« on: December 20, 2016, 07:28:11 AM »

Offline LGC88

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Here is a topic that I found on Jazz Reddit.
I found it interesting. A team full of good to very good players that are up to a new contract this year or in the next 2.
Have to monitor how they'll handle the situation cap wise.
Also it's worth noticing that the Jazz might part away with one of their best player (Haywayd, Favors, Hood) unless they decide to be a repeater tax payer for the next 3 years.


"Our players who've been healthy have played great this year. This is nice, but kinda screws us at the same time. Hayward has been great. That means he's getting the max next year. Hill has been massively overperforming his career averages, although maybe his injuries this year might lower his price a tad, he's going to be close to max. Ingles has been great, but that means he's going to get a big pay-raise (Solomon Hill got 12 mil a year...Ingles is probably going to get that much.). And we've got Hood and Favors lined up for cheap for next year, but after that they're gonna get paid big.

Does anyone have any links to or any ideas of possible scenarios for the Jazz and contract extensions/resignings next offseason? I'm sad now. Can we trade Burks for cap space? Are we willing to go over the cap, and if so how much?

Lets say we sign Hill to a 4 yr deal starting at 20 mil and Hayward to a 4 year deal starting at 27 mil. Next year (assuming we don't take team option on Diaw) we'll have 115 mil on the payroll. That puts us way over the cap, and into tax territory. We lose Ingles for sure, and we may possibly have to dump Burks for some cap space to keep us under the tax. It get worse the year after, (18-19), where Hood and Favors have to be paid. Johnson will come off the books but that won't be enough to keep both. One at least will certainly be gone. On the plus side, if Exum continues to be not so great, we may be able to keep him for not much more than the qualifying offer.

I see four possibilities:

1) Trade Hood this year or next year to a team that can resign him for picks.

2) Trade Favors this year or next year to a team for picks and capspace.

3) Don't sign one of Hill or Hayward this offseason. This option seems silly to me.

4) Just let everything play out, dump burks, go slightly over the tax, and then lose one of Hood or Favors in 2 years in free agency. I'm not sure if this is actually a possibility, because I don't know if Miller is willing to even go slightly into the tax.

Really, there's no great options. If option 4 isn't in play, I just don't see the Jazz keeping Favors after this season. He has a ton of trade value (we could easily get two lottery picks and cap space for him). Trading him and lowering our cap can keep us out of the tax as well, where trading Hood doesn't help in that regard. If Miller is willing to pay a little tax, then option 4 may be the best one, as it gives us the strongest team for the next two years. But boy will it be sad after that to lose one of Hood or Favors for nothing."

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 07:33:51 AM »

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Two lottery picks for Favors? 

I guess we're not the only ones who overvalue our players! :laugh:

On a more serious note, I did mention similar things in a Hayward thread.  The Jazz are going to face some tough decisions as to who to keep, and what to do with guys they don't plan on keeping.  If the resign all their key players they will eat up their cap space and most likely won't be good enough to compete with top teams.  Wouldn't surprise me to see them trade someone in that group.

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 08:38:05 AM »

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The cap is projected to rise to 110M over the next 2 years which will push the luxury tax line well over 130M.  Joe Johnson comes off their books after the next season and Burks the following season.  They can manage their situation to avoid being a tax repeater.  Maybe it means letting Hood or Favors go but they certainly aren't going to voluntarily let Hayward go. 

We've got cap issues of our own to manage and decisions to make on Olynyk this off season and Thomas, Bradley and Olynyk next off season. 


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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 09:25:32 AM »

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Yeah his number analysis just isn't accurate.  I mean the individual salaries are pretty accurate, but his tax numbers are not.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 09:49:11 AM »

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I would really love to see the Jazz find a way to keep Hill, Hood, Hayward, Favors, Gobert.  I want to see that lineup get more time together.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 10:08:17 AM »

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Exum is a massive trade candidate.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 10:10:49 AM »

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Exum is a massive trade candidate.
not this year.  They have to see what happens with Hill this summer.
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2016, 05:43:35 AM »

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If Hayward walks this summer then they don't have to worry. If he stays then you evaluate the situation. I don't think they pay Hill $20m per year though. Instead you hope Exum steps it up finally and can replace that production and you pick up a vet rookie in the draft.

If you just focus on re-signing Hayward, Favors and  Hood then there are no tax issues

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 05:52:56 AM »

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If Hayward walks this summer then they don't have to worry. If he stays then you evaluate the situation. I don't think they pay Hill $20m per year though. Instead you hope Exum steps it up finally and can replace that production and you pick up a vet rookie in the draft.

If you just focus on re-signing Hayward, Favors and  Hood then there are no tax issues

Gobert's extension starts next season (21m to 25m) and they have to sign Hill this summer.
Not sure if Jazz is the type of organisation that will pay 110m+ for 5 players.
If a player is too expensive, they let go (they were not afraid to let go off Kanter, even though he was a very promising player at that time).
They are loaded with talented players right now, and they are still not a serious contender. I don't see this core winning it all and worth going in luxury tax.

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2016, 10:38:25 AM »

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I think favors is probably gone. It seems like he will not be a game
Changer and tough to tell how well he plays with gobert

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2016, 11:02:13 AM »

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If Hayward walks this summer then they don't have to worry. If he stays then you evaluate the situation. I don't think they pay Hill $20m per year though. Instead you hope Exum steps it up finally and can replace that production and you pick up a vet rookie in the draft.

If you just focus on re-signing Hayward, Favors and  Hood then there are no tax issues

Gobert's extension starts next season (21m to 25m) and they have to sign Hill this summer.
Not sure if Jazz is the type of organisation that will pay 110m+ for 5 players.
If a player is too expensive, they let go (they were not afraid to let go off Kanter, even though he was a very promising player at that time).
They are loaded with talented players right now, and they are still not a serious contender. I don't see this core winning it all and worth going in luxury tax.
Outside of Cleveland, I actually think that a healthy Jazz teams poses the most problems for Golden State.  They have all of the right ingredients to beat the Warriors i.e. a solid all around PG that is very good defensively, a shot blocking rebounding big man, wings that can score and put pressure on GS defensively, a very strong/deep bench which allows them to play both big and small effectively.  I wouldn't expect Utah to beat Golden State, but I do think they could cause them problems. 
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2016, 11:08:33 AM »

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OK, a trade to help the Jazz and their ability to re-sign Hill and Hayward, etc.

We trade Amir (expiring for all practical reasons) and Smart for Favors and Exum.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6745679

Thoughts??

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2016, 12:18:31 PM »

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OK, a trade to help the Jazz and their ability to re-sign Hill and Hayward, etc.

We trade Amir (expiring for all practical reasons) and Smart for Favors and Exum.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6745679

Thoughts??

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how many and what picks are we including in this trade?
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2016, 05:23:21 PM »

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OK, a trade to help the Jazz and their ability to re-sign Hill and Hayward, etc.

We trade Amir (expiring for all practical reasons) and Smart for Favors and Exum.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6745679

Thoughts??

Smitty77
how many and what picks are we including in this trade?

Yeah, there's pretty much no way they're trading Favors alone for Amir and Smart, let alone Favors and Exum, unless draft picks are involved.

I mean, Amir would largely just be salary filler, so the trade can essentially be viewed as Smart for Favors and Exum... which just isn't realistic.