36.7 % , 29.0 % , 62.5 %

[mahcussmaht]

Mahcus Smaht's shooting doesn't matter.  He impacts the game in so many ways.  Not all great players are great shooters.

[Monkhouse]

Can we just have a sticky for these threads on hating Marcus Smart?

Simply put, Brad Stevens doesn't care if Smart doesn't shoot well. You also cannot put 100% of the blame on Smart, because the entire team is at fault... We don't just go down the drain with one of the worst defenses because of one player's lack of deficiencies at shooting percentages.. Even then, we're actually doing well in 3P%... Its just our inability to get to the FT line, which Smart can be partially blamed for... I guess its a testament to how well a player cumulatively buys within the teams schematics.

Whatever naysayers will say, lets just collectively put that aside...

This is a straw man's argument that is literally being beaten to death.

We get it. Smart stinks at shooting. I don't think anyone else is colored surprised about this... Seriously. Also I would take Smart over Payton 10/10 times any day... Maybe I'm biased, maybe I'm not...

But I never understood why people compared Payton to Smart, because Payton is a pure PG who literally cannot shoot, and Smart is a combo guard that is way better defender, but has similar warts. I take Smart because he's more of a hustle guy, and I still believe in the future as nickagenta said... If Smart improves on crashing the boards more, playing more within the offense, and being a pass first, I can honestly see him having a Draymond Green like trajectory... We just need better shooters, and scorers next to him. I still believe the offense looks pretty darn when he's running it. He needs the ball in his hands to create for others.

And as much as people say he cannot score, or blow by defenders...

Have you guys ever seen him throw bounce passes, or lobs? People double him, because they are wary of him using his strength, or being able to post up smaller defenders. Many times where he throws a crisp bounce or no look pass, its out of double teams. He doesn't have the handles or speed to blow by the best defender, but he certainly has a knack for where his teammates are going to be.

10 out 10 huh? WAY better defender? Not even I would choose Elfrid 10 out 10

btw he just had a 26 points 9 for 12  from the field 3 for 3 from deep, oh and 14 assists in the same game, off the bench

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIsINWO5lcc

Yeah actually I remember that game...

That was the game where Ibaka score 29, and went like 4-8 from 3pt... The Hawks clearly suck, and their lack of scouting report proves that.

Also..

Off the bench? Payton averaged 33.1 MPG in the game... I don't consider that coming off the bench when you're playing starting minutes and replacing DJ Augustin, which is funny in itself, because why would you have someone like him in the starting line up anyways....

[celtics2030]

Can we just have a sticky for these threads on hating Marcus Smart?

Simply put, Brad Stevens doesn't care if Smart doesn't shoot well. You also cannot put 100% of the blame on Smart, because the entire team is at fault... We don't just go down the drain with one of the worst defenses because of one player's lack of deficiencies at shooting percentages.. Even then, we're actually doing well in 3P%... Its just our inability to get to the FT line, which Smart can be partially blamed for... I guess its a testament to how well a player cumulatively buys within the teams schematics.

Whatever naysayers will say, lets just collectively put that aside...

This is a straw man's argument that is literally being beaten to death.

We get it. Smart stinks at shooting. I don't think anyone else is colored surprised about this... Seriously. Also I would take Smart over Payton 10/10 times any day... Maybe I'm biased, maybe I'm not...

But I never understood why people compared Payton to Smart, because Payton is a pure PG who literally cannot shoot, and Smart is a combo guard that is way better defender, but has similar warts. I take Smart because he's more of a hustle guy, and I still believe in the future as nickagenta said... If Smart improves on crashing the boards more, playing more within the offense, and being a pass first, I can honestly see him having a Draymond Green like trajectory... We just need better shooters, and scorers next to him. I still believe the offense looks pretty darn when he's running it. He needs the ball in his hands to create for others.

And as much as people say he cannot score, or blow by defenders...

Have you guys ever seen him throw bounce passes, or lobs? People double him, because they are wary of him using his strength, or being able to post up smaller defenders. Many times where he throws a crisp bounce or no look pass, its out of double teams. He doesn't have the handles or speed to blow by the best defender, but he certainly has a knack for where his teammates are going to be.

10 out 10 huh? WAY better defender? Not even I would choose Elfrid 10 out 10

btw he just had a 26 points 9 for 12  from the field 3 for 3 from deep, oh and 14 assists in the same game, off the bench

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIsINWO5lcc

Yeah actually I remember that game...

That was the game where Ibaka score 29, and went like 4-8 from 3pt... The Hawks clearly suck, and their lack of scouting report proves that.

Also..

Off the bench? Payton averaged 33.1 MPG in the game... I don't consider that coming off the bench when you're playing starting minutes and replacing DJ Augustin, which is funny in itself, because why would you have someone like him in the starting line up anyways....

you guys are just too much. You take it to places I never take it to. Whatever makes you feel like your winning an invisible argument.

[vjcsmoke]

The offense is definitely a concern, 20 games into the season.
Smart may turn out to be no more than a Tony Allen offensively.
But his defense has a ton of value, especially since he can guard essentially 4 different positions!

Well if you really want to compare Smart to Elfrid Payton let's look at his shooting percentages:

EP
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paytoel01.html

FG 45.0%
3PT 24.6%
FT 57.1%

MS
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

FG 36.7%
3PT 29.0%
FT 62.5%

You think Smart's shooting is bad?  Payton is significantly worse at 3 pointers and free throws. 
I suppose Payton's 2 point shooting is better overall.  But maybe if Smart shot less 3's and went for more layups, his overall FG shooting percentage would increase as well.

[tankcity!]

You guys say he's a great passer, but he is averaging 4.2 assists a game lol. I mean sure he has his games, but he isn't consistent. He is also averaging 5 assists in the past 10 games. So chill with the passing talk. He's not Rubio or Rondo in that regard.

He's a great defender, no question. But offense doesn't matter. We are satisfied with this? Some of you were saying he's an all star for god sakes. Now we're happy that he's just a role player? This is so confusing. The Smart fanatics aren't consistent.

I've been pleased with Smart recently. He is garbage on offense, but the ball doesn't stick to his hands. We play better defense. He should start and IT should come off the bench. I think that speaks more to IT's height then Smart, who is a nice role player.

don't take this the wrong way, but larry bird averaged 6 assists per game


And he's one of the best passers ever

If you ONLY looked at the box score, you wouldn't see the kinds of passes he would make


Not saying smart is on his level

Just saying watch the way smart sees the court

Don't take this the wrong way, but you just compared Bird to Smart which is dumb. And Smart isn't averaging 6 assists. It's a big difference. Also they played in different eras. Bird wasn't the freaking point guard of the team.

Also I don't care about stats, but you guys keep saying he's this great passer and all I see are flashes. Bradley made some great passes last night too. Should we say he's great at passing? IT has made some unbelievable passes as well. I guess he's amazing too.

You're fantasy land my friend.

[tankcity!]

You guys say he's a great passer, but he is averaging 4.2 assists a game lol. I mean sure he has his games, but he isn't consistent. He is also averaging 5 assists in the past 10 games. So chill with the passing talk. He's not Rubio or Rondo in that regard.

He's a great defender, no question. But offense doesn't matter. We are satisfied with this? Some of you were saying he's an all star for god sakes. Now we're happy that he's just a role player? This is so confusing. The Smart fanatics aren't consistent.

I've been pleased with Smart recently. He is garbage on offense, but the ball doesn't stick to his hands. We play better defense. He should start and IT should come off the bench. I think that speaks more to IT's height then Smart, who is a nice role player.

Are you being serious right now? Are you really proposing this after all the crap you've talked about Smart this year? Even I don't propose this (because I propose him replacing Bradley in the starting lineup).

And did you watch the OKC game? That game demonstrated very well how good his passing and court vision are.

Unlike you, I'm not bias. I want what is best for the team. Rozier makes too many mistakes on defense. Thomas is a great sixth man. Should only be playing in certain scenarios. He is a specialist in my eyes.

As for the OKC game, it's one game dude. Do you want me to come here and complain every time Smart has a bad game? You like to point out his good games, but it's like the dude isn't consistent. It's his third year. There is no more room for excuses anymore. I know you'll keep making them though.

I love Bradley. He has bad nights on defense, but he is a significantly better overall player than Smart.

You guys say Smart is great at passing. Where was that last night against the Spurs? Oh yeah, he struggled to get to the paint last night because he lacks speed. He can't collapse the defense. That's what I see.

You proclaim that all I look at is stats, but that's just to placate your agenda dude. I wanted us to draft Jaylen Brown even though Pelton's stats said he would be a bust. So yeah, I guess I only value stats. I also guess you don't remember when I would back Smart his first two years when some people comped him to Tony Allen.

Guess what bro, I was wrong. He is nothing more than a role player. You said he's going to be an all star. Sure doesn't seem like it's trending that way.