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Re: Rotations
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2016, 02:31:12 PM »

Offline BitterJim

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C's strength the last two years is depth I expect a mixed rotation. If KO starts the rotation may actually work out better as AJ is more PF capable. Minutes() should be with current roster

PG- IT (30), Smart (14), Rozier (4)
SG- AB (30), Smart (12), Brown (6)
SF- Crowder (28), Green (15), Brown/JJ (5)
PF- Hordford (28), AJ (12), JJ/Mickey (8 ),
C- KO (26), AJ (12), Zeller (10)

I think you're severely underestimating what Jerebko's role should and will be on this team.
I'm pretty much giving him the same role he had last year. 13 vs 15 mins per game and dnps. I like Jerkebo but minutes are limited.

With Turner gone, Crowder should be spending less time at PF, which should in turn give Jerebko more minutes there.  I'd take some away from Green and give them to Jerebko

I'd also put IT at 32 (same as last year) and AB at 34 (ditto), probably taking the minutes from Brown (and shifting Smart around to playing more at the 2).  If Brown starts getting significant minutes, it'll be at Green's expense, not Smart or Jerebko's
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Re: Rotations
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2016, 02:33:38 PM »

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Brown will play in the NBA out of necessity. We have very thin wing depth. If Brown can outplay Gerald Green hes our backup SF. 2 Rookies outplayed Green last year.

Re: Rotations
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2016, 02:37:53 PM »

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I fully expect Brown to play major minutes and improve a lot this year.  In the NBA.

Re: Rotations
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2016, 02:54:18 PM »

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I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Yeah but most top 5 picks don't end up on 50+ win playoff teams.   We have a deep rotation of real players.  Also, this draft was widely considered weak outside of that top 2 picks and Brown is considered as raw as they come.  It wouldn't be too surprising if he struggled tremendously and found himself in D League.   I already think it will take a small miracle for him to shoot over 40% this season. His defense looks like it needs work.  If he can't make a contribution on either end, d-league might be an option.

Jaylen in Boston could be a similar situation to Darko Milicic.  That was a serious Pistons team that didn't have time for teenagers.  In retrospect, Darko probably should have spent time in D-League.  I remember reading that part of the reason that didn't happen is because the D-League was still so new and also Darko was a foreign player and there might have been some agreement that if he decided to come to the United States (as opposed to playing in Europe), they would agree to keep him in the NBA and not assign him to a developmental league.  Not sure if that's true or not.  But that wouldn't be something preventing us from assigning Jaylen to D-league.

That said, long term I think brown can be special.  I also wouldn't be too shocked to see him stick around and get force-fed minutes.  He needs to practice with these guys and get reps against them in order to develop so I'd rather he warm a bench in the NBA than continue plowing through semi-pros in the children's league.

We have a deep rotation of real players at SF?  We have Crowder and a guy who lost his spot to a 2nd round draft pick last year in Green.  We don't have depth at SF, so that definitely helps Brown.

And there have been plenty of lotto picks on playoff teams over the last few years (maybe not as specific as top 5, 50+ wins though), guys like Otto Porter, Justice Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Frank Kaminsky, Myles Turner, Marcus Smart, Steven Adams, Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb.  How many games did those goes play in the D-League?  (Marcus Smart played 1, Jeremy Lamb actually played a bunch but still spent more time in the NBA than the D-League).

Even late first round picks don't usually spend a lot of time in the D-League.  Kevon Looney, the #30 pick on a 73 win team only spent 8 games in the D-League last year.  Tyus Jones the #24 pick of the world champion Cavs only spent 6 games in the D-League.

First round picks rarely spend significant time in the D-League as rookies, unless you're an absolute project like Fab Melo.  A project like James Young hasn't spent that much time in the D-League.  Is Jaylen Brown more of a project than James Young?



I know you meant it in jest but it is a new trend. It's trending to more dleague games for rookies across the league. Especially younger ones on playoff teams.

Could you give some examples?  Because I really don't see it.  Though I am really out of the loop when it comes to a lot of other teams rookies.
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Re: Rotations
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2016, 06:31:56 PM »

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PG- IT (28), Smart (12), Rozier ( 8 ),
SG- AB (32), Smart (12), IT (4)
SF- Crowder (28), Brown (16), Smart (4)
PF- Horford (12), AJ (22), JJ/Mickey(14)
C- KO (26), Horford (18)

I don't really think among KO, AJ and Horford position matters much between PF and C.

We occasionally run some 3 guard lineups and play IT off the ball for a few minutes on offense. It allows Rozier to get some minutes, and takes advantage of the fact that Smart and Rozier are versatile defenders who can cover bigger players.

I expect Brown to be a major factor for the bench. Evan Turner's production will need to be replaced. Some of it will come from improvements from Smart and KO, but much of it will come from Brown attacking the rim against second team defenders. By the end of 2016, he starts to figure it out, and ends up scoring over 10 ppg.

There is room for JJ or Mickey to have a role, but not both. Mickey will get a chance, but if he hasn't won the job by the new year, the job is Jerebko's.

Re: Rotations
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2016, 06:36:47 PM »

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I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Yeah but most top 5 picks don't end up on 50+ win playoff teams.   We have a deep rotation of real players.  Also, this draft was widely considered weak outside of that top 2 picks and Brown is considered as raw as they come.  It wouldn't be too surprising if he struggled tremendously and found himself in D League.   I already think it will take a small miracle for him to shoot over 40% this season. His defense looks like it needs work.  If he can't make a contribution on either end, d-league might be an option.

Jaylen in Boston could be a similar situation to Darko Milicic.  That was a serious Pistons team that didn't have time for teenagers.  In retrospect, Darko probably should have spent time in D-League.  I remember reading that part of the reason that didn't happen is because the D-League was still so new and also Darko was a foreign player and there might have been some agreement that if he decided to come to the United States (as opposed to playing in Europe), they would agree to keep him in the NBA and not assign him to a developmental league.  Not sure if that's true or not.  But that wouldn't be something preventing us from assigning Jaylen to D-league.

That said, long term I think brown can be special.  I also wouldn't be too shocked to see him stick around and get force-fed minutes.  He needs to practice with these guys and get reps against them in order to develop so I'd rather he warm a bench in the NBA than continue plowing through semi-pros in the children's league.

We have a deep rotation of real players at SF?  We have Crowder and a guy who lost his spot to a 2nd round draft pick last year in Green.  We don't have depth at SF, so that definitely helps Brown.

And there have been plenty of lotto picks on playoff teams over the last few years (maybe not as specific as top 5, 50+ wins though), guys like Otto Porter, Justice Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Frank Kaminsky, Myles Turner, Marcus Smart, Steven Adams, Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb.  How many games did those goes play in the D-League?  (Marcus Smart played 1, Jeremy Lamb actually played a bunch but still spent more time in the NBA than the D-League).

Even late first round picks don't usually spend a lot of time in the D-League.  Kevon Looney, the #30 pick on a 73 win team only spent 8 games in the D-League last year.  Tyus Jones the #24 pick of the world champion Cavs only spent 6 games in the D-League.

First round picks rarely spend significant time in the D-League as rookies, unless you're an absolute project like Fab Melo.  A project like James Young hasn't spent that much time in the D-League.  Is Jaylen Brown more of a project than James Young?



I know you meant it in jest but it is a new trend. It's trending to more dleague games for rookies across the league. Especially younger ones on playoff teams.

Could you give some examples?  Because I really don't see it.  Though I am really out of the loop when it comes to a lot of other teams rookies.
Boston has utilized the D-League a lot.  You'd hope that Jaylen will be skilled enough to work his way into a rotation, but I understand why a lot of people think he'll spend time in the D-League this season.  Even with the lack of depth at SF, Brown looks like he's going to need a lot of time until he's ready for NBA ball and we have smaller lineups where we play Thomas, Bradley and Smart all at once. 

Re: Rotations
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2016, 09:02:31 PM »

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I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Yeah but most top 5 picks don't end up on 50+ win playoff teams.   We have a deep rotation of real players.  Also, this draft was widely considered weak outside of that top 2 picks and Brown is considered as raw as they come.  It wouldn't be too surprising if he struggled tremendously and found himself in D League.   I already think it will take a small miracle for him to shoot over 40% this season. His defense looks like it needs work.  If he can't make a contribution on either end, d-league might be an option.

Jaylen in Boston could be a similar situation to Darko Milicic.  That was a serious Pistons team that didn't have time for teenagers.  In retrospect, Darko probably should have spent time in D-League.  I remember reading that part of the reason that didn't happen is because the D-League was still so new and also Darko was a foreign player and there might have been some agreement that if he decided to come to the United States (as opposed to playing in Europe), they would agree to keep him in the NBA and not assign him to a developmental league.  Not sure if that's true or not.  But that wouldn't be something preventing us from assigning Jaylen to D-league.

That said, long term I think brown can be special.  I also wouldn't be too shocked to see him stick around and get force-fed minutes.  He needs to practice with these guys and get reps against them in order to develop so I'd rather he warm a bench in the NBA than continue plowing through semi-pros in the children's league.

We have a deep rotation of real players at SF?  We have Crowder and a guy who lost his spot to a 2nd round draft pick last year in Green.  We don't have depth at SF, so that definitely helps Brown.

And there have been plenty of lotto picks on playoff teams over the last few years (maybe not as specific as top 5, 50+ wins though), guys like Otto Porter, Justice Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Frank Kaminsky, Myles Turner, Marcus Smart, Steven Adams, Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb.  How many games did those goes play in the D-League?  (Marcus Smart played 1, Jeremy Lamb actually played a bunch but still spent more time in the NBA than the D-League).

Even late first round picks don't usually spend a lot of time in the D-League.  Kevon Looney, the #30 pick on a 73 win team only spent 8 games in the D-League last year.  Tyus Jones the #24 pick of the world champion Cavs only spent 6 games in the D-League.

First round picks rarely spend significant time in the D-League as rookies, unless you're an absolute project like Fab Melo.  A project like James Young hasn't spent that much time in the D-League.  Is Jaylen Brown more of a project than James Young?



I know you meant it in jest but it is a new trend. It's trending to more dleague games for rookies across the league. Especially younger ones on playoff teams.

Could you give some examples?  Because I really don't see it.  Though I am really out of the loop when it comes to a lot of other teams rookies.
68 NBA players were assigned to the dleague last year. Not all were rookies but all under 3 years experience. And a bunch were 1st round selections. It's not a knock on young players any more it's really to get them more playing time and a chance to work on stuff. This year it's expected to hit 75 total NBA players. In Maine for example they run a lot of the same offense as C's and time down there gives more practice reps and game time to rookies. We are in the Era of "one and dones" most these kids need more time being coached than BS can do. NBA is a buzz-saw.