What is going on with Detroit??

[Moranis]

I don't think Van Gundy is in jeopardy, but I do think they look to shake up their roster sooner than later.

Potential someone for Ainge to scam at the trade deadline?

Meh, who??

Depends how much you, and more importantly Ainge, believe in Stanley Johnson.

Talk about a buy low. As an aside, Detroit is bad because Andre Drummond is egregiously overrated. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it's true.

I don't really think that is the case, I just think Detroit relies too much on him for scoring, which is not something he is good enough at to be relied upon as much as he is.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I don't think Van Gundy is in jeopardy, but I do think they look to shake up their roster sooner than later.

Potential someone for Ainge to scam at the trade deadline?

Meh, who??

Van Gundy. Any team shaking things up means rotational guys who might fit nicely with us becoming available, cos Ainge knows a guy who has what your looking for

Van Gundy has a great deal on him. When you can trade the same player you coach. It makes for a unique situation. I think Ish is a better quarterback of the team than Jackson. Jackson is learning like Marcus. I also don't think Van Gundy is as good as a coach as others. I would go into more detail but he has burn bridges with his personality many places and he is now getting in to politics when he is paid to coach and run a team. But hey he has won so many championship i guess he can do it all now. I see him gone in a few years.

[max215]

I don't think Van Gundy is in jeopardy, but I do think they look to shake up their roster sooner than later.

Potential someone for Ainge to scam at the trade deadline?

Meh, who??

Depends how much you, and more importantly Ainge, believe in Stanley Johnson.

Talk about a buy low. As an aside, Detroit is bad because Andre Drummond is egregiously overrated. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it's true.

I don't really think that is the case, I just think Detroit relies too much on him for scoring, which is not something he is good enough at to be relied upon as much as he is.

While On-Off numbers certainly aren't everything, especially considering Detroit has really good backup bigs, they are massively worse with Drummond on the court:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01/on-off/2017

He's a fantastic rebounder, but he's a pretty poor offensive and defensive player.

Edit: To discount the qualification about his backups, we can look at RPM, in which Drummond ranks 24th among centers. Yes, RPM is another imperfect stat, but when all the impact stats indicate that he's not very good, it becomes hard to argue against that position.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rock City

[Ilikesports17]

I don't think Van Gundy is in jeopardy, but I do think they look to shake up their roster sooner than later.

Potential someone for Ainge to scam at the trade deadline?

Meh, who??

Depends how much you, and more importantly Ainge, believe in Stanley Johnson.

Talk about a buy low. As an aside, Detroit is bad because Andre Drummond is egregiously overrated. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it's true.

I don't really think that is the case, I just think Detroit relies too much on him for scoring, which is not something he is good enough at to be relied upon as much as he is.

While On-Off numbers certainly aren't everything, especially considering Detroit has really good backup bigs, they are massively worse with Drummond on the court:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01/on-off/2017

He's a fantastic rebounder, but he's a pretty poor offensive and defensive player.

Edit: To discount the qualification about his backups, we can look at RPM, in which Drummond ranks 24th among centers. Yes, RPM is another imperfect stat, but when all the impact stats indicate that he's not very good, it becomes hard to argue against that position.

impact stats, even if they are working perfectly, only tell the impact a player has had, not how good he is. They are basicallly the same, but right now Detroit could feasibly be asking too much from him resulting in him having less of a positive impact than if he were able to play within himself in a role that better maximizes his skills.

For example, last year, he was the 6th rated center in RPMand was 5th among guys playing 15 mins a game. With Reggie Jackson out his role doesnt quite fit him this season.

plus, his net rating (so obviously offense and defense ratings also) are pretty good as is his bpm and vorp.

[Rosco917]

Talent is not enough to win games.
They need the basic fundamentals. Hustle, discipline, play together, effort on defense, chemistry.
They probably miss a couple of the above, like most nba teams.
I'm surprised that each year, most of nba fans still put those type of teams ahead of us at the beginning of the season. People look at individual players and rank teams.
If it was that simple...

TP...well said.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Talent is not enough to win games.
They need the basic fundamentals. Hustle, discipline, play together, effort on defense, chemistry.
They probably miss a couple of the above, like most nba teams.
I'm surprised that each year, most of nba fans still put those type of teams ahead of us at the beginning of the season. People look at individual players and rank teams.
If it was that simple...

TP...well said.

You also have to have good coaching with all this listed above. I don't think Stan is the man. I am positive CBS would have this team with a way better record.

[PhoSita]

Detroit is a top 10 defensive team.

Problem is, they're 21st in Offensive Efficiency.  They are 26th in TS%.

Notably, they are 29th in 3P attempts per game and 24th in 3P%.

Compounding this, they are also 29th in FTA per game.


Basically, they're a horrid offensive team.  Can't shoot, and can't generate efficient looks.  As a result they are tied for DEAD LAST in Points Per Shot.


I think this goes beyond simply not having a top scorer.  They just don't have enough efficient offensive players, period.

At first blush they look kind of like a poor man's version of SVG's Orlando teams with Dwight.  Unfortunately, across the board they are worse offensively than those teams.  Drummond is not a very good finisher for such a huge, athletic big.  So they lack that centerpiece on offense.  And the shooters surrounding that big are significantly worse, and more skewed toward taking mid-rangers.

[Moranis]

Detroit is a top 10 defensive team.

Problem is, they're 21st in Offensive Efficiency.  They are 26th in TS%.

Notably, they are 29th in 3P attempts per game and 24th in 3P%.

Compounding this, they are also 29th in FTA per game.


Basically, they're a horrid offensive team.  Can't shoot, and can't generate efficient looks.  As a result they are tied for DEAD LAST in Points Per Shot.


I think this goes beyond simply not having a top scorer.  They just don't have enough efficient offensive players, period.

At first blush they look kind of like a poor man's version of SVG's Orlando teams with Dwight.  Unfortunately, across the board they are worse offensively than those teams.  Drummond is not a very good finisher for such a huge, athletic big.  So they lack that centerpiece on offense.  And the shooters surrounding that big are significantly worse, and more skewed toward taking mid-rangers.

all great stuff but I do think if they had a #1 scorer it would do a great deal to fix their offensive issues.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Detroit is a top 10 defensive team.

Problem is, they're 21st in Offensive Efficiency.  They are 26th in TS%.

Notably, they are 29th in 3P attempts per game and 24th in 3P%.

Compounding this, they are also 29th in FTA per game.


Basically, they're a horrid offensive team.  Can't shoot, and can't generate efficient looks.  As a result they are tied for DEAD LAST in Points Per Shot.


I think this goes beyond simply not having a top scorer.  They just don't have enough efficient offensive players, period.

At first blush they look kind of like a poor man's version of SVG's Orlando teams with Dwight.  Unfortunately, across the board they are worse offensively than those teams.  Drummond is not a very good finisher for such a huge, athletic big.  So they lack that centerpiece on offense.  And the shooters surrounding that big are significantly worse, and more skewed toward taking mid-rangers.

all great stuff but I do think if they had a #1 scorer it would do a great deal to fix their offensive issues.

They will need to make a trade to get better. Johnson would be a good trade chip. Lou Williams would be a good target for them. I still think Pope could rise to a number 1 but he is timid when the game is on the line. Jackson to seems to tense up.