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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2016, 08:14:17 PM »

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Bulls team source about the asking price for Butler: "'Cheap.  Like dirt cheap.  You could probably take your 3 least favorite players and we'll take them as long as the salaries match.  We're just ready to be done with the whole thing to be honest"

I mean, what are they supposed to say?  Of course they want the stars and moon, until they don't.

If that's the case, I almost hope that we don't get a top-2 pick and just trade the third pick or lower for him. At least that way you don't have to choose between Butler and Ingram/Simmons, which isn't all that clear.

Of course, having the highest pick possible also gives us the most options and flexibility. I'm just afraid that if we luck out and get the number one pick we won't trade it for anything, even a great deal for a Cousins or George type.

I think the allure of a potential superstar on a cost-controlled deal followed by a FA-controlled 2nd deal is too powerful for a team to be willing to send them away easily, especially if you have to sweeten it with actual established core players.  (premise not valid for LeBron coming to town).

It will really, really depend on what the front office thinks of Simmons (or Ingram) as a prospect though.  EDIT:  And how confident we are that the guy we trade them for is the first domino leading to Durant signing with us.  Major X factor.
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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2016, 08:20:02 PM »

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If we got the second pick and Simmons was gone, I'd do Bradley + 2nd/Ingram + Dallas for him.  I'd give up Bradley because he just became redundant and I'd give up Dallas because we don't have the space for that pick, anyways.  Ingram is a lot to give up, but it should be fine.

What is troubling though is that nobody on our team could still shoot.  We need shooters so bad

Saying Bradley becomes redundant, then saying the team needs shooters doesn't make sense.  Replacing Bradley with Butler creates the same spacing issues we saw in the playoffs.  Bringing in Al Horford and starting Jerebko next to him would compensate for having Butler and Crowder on the floor together.

I see Crowder and Butler as ultimately redundant

If you see them as redundant, then why would you trade one plus a top 3 pick plus other picks and players for the other?

I maintain my position:  I would rather sign Horford with our cap space, keep our top 3 pick, and roll with the team we already have, vs. trading for Butler.

As in Crowder is Butler-lite. Butler does everything that Crowder does, just a bit better. And like it or not, he has star appeal that Crowder just doesn't have.

Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2016, 08:41:07 PM »

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If we got the second pick and Simmons was gone, I'd do Bradley + 2nd/Ingram + Dallas for him.  I'd give up Bradley because he just became redundant and I'd give up Dallas because we don't have the space for that pick, anyways.  Ingram is a lot to give up, but it should be fine.

What is troubling though is that nobody on our team could still shoot.  We need shooters so bad

Saying Bradley becomes redundant, then saying the team needs shooters doesn't make sense.  Replacing Bradley with Butler creates the same spacing issues we saw in the playoffs.  Bringing in Al Horford and starting Jerebko next to him would compensate for having Butler and Crowder on the floor together.

I see Crowder and Butler as ultimately redundant

If you see them as redundant, then why would you trade one plus a top 3 pick plus other picks and players for the other?

I maintain my position:  I would rather sign Horford with our cap space, keep our top 3 pick, and roll with the team we already have, vs. trading for Butler.

As in Crowder is Butler-lite. Butler does everything that Crowder does, just a bit better. And like it or not, he has star appeal that Crowder just doesn't have.

Butler can handle the ball and create.    Crowder's game is catch & shoot, straight line drives.   They would work well together.

Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2016, 09:27:42 PM »

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If we got the second pick and Simmons was gone, I'd do Bradley + 2nd/Ingram + Dallas for him.  I'd give up Bradley because he just became redundant and I'd give up Dallas because we don't have the space for that pick, anyways.  Ingram is a lot to give up, but it should be fine.

What is troubling though is that nobody on our team could still shoot.  We need shooters so bad

Saying Bradley becomes redundant, then saying the team needs shooters doesn't make sense.  Replacing Bradley with Butler creates the same spacing issues we saw in the playoffs.  Bringing in Al Horford and starting Jerebko next to him would compensate for having Butler and Crowder on the floor together.

I see Crowder and Butler as ultimately redundant

If you see them as redundant, then why would you trade one plus a top 3 pick plus other picks and players for the other?

I maintain my position:  I would rather sign Horford with our cap space, keep our top 3 pick, and roll with the team we already have, vs. trading for Butler.

As in Crowder is Butler-lite. Butler does everything that Crowder does, just a bit better. And like it or not, he has star appeal that Crowder just doesn't have.

Butler can handle the ball and create.    Crowder's game is catch & shoot, straight line drives.   They would work well together.

Two wings who hit less than a third of their threes in their career seems like it might have some floor spacing issues.
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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2016, 09:31:27 PM »

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If we got the second pick and Simmons was gone, I'd do Bradley + 2nd/Ingram + Dallas for him.  I'd give up Bradley because he just became redundant and I'd give up Dallas because we don't have the space for that pick, anyways.  Ingram is a lot to give up, but it should be fine.

What is troubling though is that nobody on our team could still shoot.  We need shooters so bad

Saying Bradley becomes redundant, then saying the team needs shooters doesn't make sense.  Replacing Bradley with Butler creates the same spacing issues we saw in the playoffs.  Bringing in Al Horford and starting Jerebko next to him would compensate for having Butler and Crowder on the floor together.

I see Crowder and Butler as ultimately redundant

If you see them as redundant, then why would you trade one plus a top 3 pick plus other picks and players for the other?

I maintain my position:  I would rather sign Horford with our cap space, keep our top 3 pick, and roll with the team we already have, vs. trading for Butler.

As in Crowder is Butler-lite. Butler does everything that Crowder does, just a bit better. And like it or not, he has star appeal that Crowder just doesn't have.

Butler can handle the ball and create.    Crowder's game is catch & shoot, straight line drives.   They would work well together.

Two wings who hit less than a third of their threes in their career seems like it might have some floor spacing issues.

IT and KD would help , if we can convince him

IT
Butler
Crowder
KD
Horford?

If Butler and Crowder can shoot around 33% from 3 , there is more than enough shooting in that starting 5

Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2016, 09:35:09 PM »

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Durant's not coming to Boston to play the 4.

Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2016, 09:36:53 PM »

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Durant's not coming to Boston to play the 4.


you can play him at the 3 to start , just start jerebko at the 4 , adds another shooter . Then crowder comes in and moves KD to the 4 for stretches.

Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2016, 09:42:38 PM »

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They say a top 3 pick+one NBA starter.

BRK pick + Avery Bradley+Hunter+Rozier+ C's pick.
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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2016, 09:45:59 PM »

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This post at Blog a Bull suggests that part of problem in Chicago is that Butler has been resistant to Fred Hoiberg's attempts to install a "pace and space" offense.  If this is true, do we trust that Stevens is a better coach than Hoiberg and can get Butler to buy in to a system that presumably has similar principles?
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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2016, 09:50:10 PM »

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This post at Blog a Bull suggests that part of problem in Chicago is that Butler has been resistant to Fred Hoiberg's attempts to install a "pace and space" offense.  If this is true, do we trust that Stevens is a better coach than Hoiberg and can get Butler to buy in to a system that presumably has similar principles?

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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2016, 09:51:27 PM »

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This post at Blog a Bull suggests that part of problem in Chicago is that Butler has been resistant to Fred Hoiberg's attempts to install a "pace and space" offense.  If this is true, do we trust that Stevens is a better coach than Hoiberg and can get Butler to buy in to a system that presumably has similar principles?

Good point. The issues he's had in the locker room have scared me a little actually
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2016, 09:53:14 PM »

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I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2016, 09:58:04 PM »

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This post at Blog a Bull suggests that part of problem in Chicago is that Butler has been resistant to Fred Hoiberg's attempts to install a "pace and space" offense.  If this is true, do we trust that Stevens is a better coach than Hoiberg and can get Butler to buy in to a system that presumably has similar principles?

Systems are largely dependent on personnel. Seems that a lot of Bulls fans there think Hoiberg's desire for pace ("just go fast!") is a poor fit for their roster, and that Butler felt the same way.

If Boston's personnel allows for greater success in a pace and space offense, I'm sure Butler will buy in. Winning cures all ills.
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Re: Jimmy Butler asking price to be high ( Rumor)
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2016, 10:27:15 PM »

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Obviously the asking price will be high. Danny's initial offer will be low. The question is: who budges?