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[spikelovetheCelts]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel's steals and blocks look not only a lot better, but special. That's why Noel is a more valuable prospect than Sullinger was. Because Noel can actually be a special defender, a future DPOY. At center. Meanwhile the slight advantage in assists doesn't reflect how good of a passer Noel is.

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

What you're basically doing is showing how undervalued Sullinger was at that age. Maybe he would've been almost as valuable a commodity back then as Noel is now, if he weren't out of shape, if he didn't have a weird skeletal thing...if he hadn't assaulted his girlfriend, ahem. But we should at least be thankful he never stained a carpet or dented a dishwasher or damaged a window screen, because then his trade value would've been destroyed and we would've been forced to waive him. Can't have drink-spilling monsters on the team.

Can't really argue with the "he's special" claim.  Wins don't matter.  Stats don't matter.  Even the eye test doesn't matter.  Noel is "special" just because he is, much like Hinkie is a genius just because he is.  I'm sure whomever gets the #1 pick this year is hoping that will be enough to pry Noel away from Philly.

Mike

I would rather sign Bismack Biyombo than give up any assets for Noel. I think we should trade some 2nd round picks for a shooter like Bojan Bogdanovic. The Nets need picks and he would space the floor. Sign Holford and watch Smart, Bradley and Crowder grow along with our new pick.

[tankcity!]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

Dam, Dino Pitno just got owned.

Dude that's really rude.  Also, he didn't get owned.  It completely ignores system and surrounding talent.  Anyone who actually paid attention this year widely acknowledges that Noel couldn't play alongside Okafor.  He spent much of this season playing out of position at PF.

He averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 2 steals and 1.5 blocks with 56% shooting as starting center.

It's also acknowledged by folks like Zach Lowe that Noel will benefit from being surrounded by better talent.  When you one of the only legitimate NBA players on the roster, it's hard not to struggle with efficiency.  We saw a massive leap in Noel's efficiency as soon as ish smith arrived.  Imagine if he had a team of NBA players surrounding him?   The Celtics are an efficient playoff team superbly coached with several offensive options.  Sullinger has played well and deserves credit, but Sullinger is not the focus of the opposing team's defense. 

Lastly, the entire conversation started because someone asked if sully has the same level of trade value as Noel.  If you think sully still has allstar potential that's fine. It has nothing to do with whether Nerlens Noel (someone who could be a DPOY long term) has trade value of his own.   This stems from someone claiming that philly was incapable of trading Noel for a guard.  It's complete hogwash.  They didn't trade Noel, because it didn't serve their agenda.  That's not to say they couldn't have flipped Noel for someone like Marcus smart had they wanted to.  The team very clearly preferred finishing out the tank job and reevaluating their options this summer.  For those of you insulting Noel by comparing him to former DPOY Tyson chandler, ask yourself if chandler could have been traded for guard help in his prime.  There's lots of guards in this league. Not a lot of star defensive bigs.  The answer is obviously yes.

Dude, I'm kidding man. This whole thread is for fun. I think Tyson Chandler is great. Also, noel is better than sullinger. Dino Pitno himself can be rude to others. He hasn't been to me, but he has for sure to others. If Noel gets to Chandlers level, you should be happy. My point is that you make him seem more than Jordan and Chandler. And he is not. He is at most the third banana on a championship team. We see most things the same. I just like to mess with you sometimes because it's hilarious to see you defend the Sixers when we both know it's going to be all about luck in regards to their success. Yes they have assets, but so do a lot of other teams.

[MBunge]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

Dam, Dino Pitno just got owned.

Dude that's really rude.  Also, he didn't get owned.  It completely ignores system and surrounding talent.  Anyone who actually paid attention this year widely acknowledges that Noel couldn't play alongside Okafor.  He spent much of this season playing out of position at PF.

He averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 2 steals and 1.5 blocks with 56% shooting as starting center.

It's also acknowledged by folks like Zach Lowe that Noel will benefit from being surrounded by better talent.  When you one of the only legitimate NBA players on the roster, it's hard not to struggle with efficiency.  We saw a massive leap in Noel's efficiency as soon as ish smith arrived.  Imagine if he had a team of NBA players surrounding him?   The Celtics are an efficient playoff team superbly coached with several offensive options.  Sullinger has played well and deserves credit, but Sullinger is not the focus of the opposing team's defense. 

Lastly, the entire conversation started because someone asked if sully has the same level of trade value as Noel.  If you think sully still has allstar potential that's fine. It has nothing to do with whether Nerlens Noel (someone who could be a DPOY long term) has trade value of his own.   This stems from someone claiming that philly was incapable of trading Noel for a guard.  It's complete hogwash.  They didn't trade Noel, because it didn't serve their agenda.  That's not to say they couldn't have flipped Noel for someone like Marcus smart had they wanted to.  The team very clearly preferred finishing out the tank job and reevaluating their options this summer.  For those of you insulting Noel by comparing him to former DPOY Tyson chandler, ask yourself if chandler could have been traded for guard help in his prime.  There's lots of guards in this league. Not a lot of star defensive bigs.  The answer is obviously yes.

1.  Wait, so stats DON'T matter when they make Noel look bad but they DO matter when they make him look good?  The hypocrisy is getting pretty thick around here.

2.  Noel is NOT the focus of the opposing team's defense.  He's tied for fifth for field goal attempts on Philly's roster.  Fifth!  On a 10 win team with only one other "star" player!  I mean, I suppose fifth is pretty good for a terrible offensive player who can't shoot...

3.  Saying Noel could be DPOY someday means as much as saying Smart could be DPOY and only slightly more than saying Mickey could lead the league in blocks.  It's hyperbole in place of intelligent argument.

4.  Could you trade Noel right now for a guard?  Sure.  You could trade Sully for a guard as well.  Could you trade either of them for an all star or even a borderline all star guard?  NO!

The group delusion that has come over people when it comes to Hinkie and his works is legitimately fascinating.  Some psychology student is going to get one heck of a thesis out the last three years of posts over on Liberty Ballers.

Mike

[mctyson]

Can I clear something up for everyone in this thread:

Nerlens Noel is not in college.  He may be 21, and many of us were in college at that age, but he is not.  In fact, he had the opportunity to be in college at 21 and turned it down so he could make millions of dollars playing professional sports (ie be an adult).

Believe it or not, when a pro sports team pays you millions of dollars, these things matter.  He represents the Philadelphia 76ers, the city, the fans, and most important the ownership.  So when he rents a house, destroys it, and litters it with used roaches and clogs the toilets with crap...it matters.

This is part of the reason Hinkie is out.  The Sixers young players are growing up in a culture of losing and disrespect and that is the worst environment for a young man with lots of money.

[LarBrd33]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

Dam, Dino Pitno just got owned.

Dude that's really rude.  Also, he didn't get owned.  It completely ignores system and surrounding talent.  Anyone who actually paid attention this year widely acknowledges that Noel couldn't play alongside Okafor.  He spent much of this season playing out of position at PF.

He averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 2 steals and 1.5 blocks with 56% shooting as starting center.

It's also acknowledged by folks like Zach Lowe that Noel will benefit from being surrounded by better talent.  When you one of the only legitimate NBA players on the roster, it's hard not to struggle with efficiency.  We saw a massive leap in Noel's efficiency as soon as ish smith arrived.  Imagine if he had a team of NBA players surrounding him?   The Celtics are an efficient playoff team superbly coached with several offensive options.  Sullinger has played well and deserves credit, but Sullinger is not the focus of the opposing team's defense. 

Lastly, the entire conversation started because someone asked if sully has the same level of trade value as Noel.  If you think sully still has allstar potential that's fine. It has nothing to do with whether Nerlens Noel (someone who could be a DPOY long term) has trade value of his own.   This stems from someone claiming that philly was incapable of trading Noel for a guard.  It's complete hogwash.  They didn't trade Noel, because it didn't serve their agenda.  That's not to say they couldn't have flipped Noel for someone like Marcus smart had they wanted to.  The team very clearly preferred finishing out the tank job and reevaluating their options this summer.  For those of you insulting Noel by comparing him to former DPOY Tyson chandler, ask yourself if chandler could have been traded for guard help in his prime.  There's lots of guards in this league. Not a lot of star defensive bigs.  The answer is obviously yes.

Could you trade Noel right now for a guard?  Sure. 

Thank you for contradicting yourself and finally admitting that I was 100% right when I said Philly could have easily traded for more roster balance at any time but intentionally didn't.  By your own admission, they could have easily traded one of their center prospects for guard help if they were only concerned with the short-term.  Alas, Philly has been all about the big picture and it made the most sense for them to finish out the tank job good and proper and evaluate their position in the summer after the flurry of assets come in.

[Dino Pitino]

Can I clear something up for everyone in this thread:

Nerlens Noel is not in college.  He may be 21, and many of us were in college at that age, but he is not.  In fact, he had the opportunity to be in college at 21 and turned it down so he could make millions of dollars playing professional sports (ie be an adult).

Believe it or not, when a pro sports team pays you millions of dollars, these things matter.  He represents the Philadelphia 76ers, the city, the fans, and most important the ownership.  So when he rents a house, destroys it, and litters it with used roaches and clogs the toilets with crap...it matters.

This is part of the reason Hinkie is out.  The Sixers young players are growing up in a culture of losing and disrespect and that is the worst environment for a young man with lots of money.

Can I clear something up, too?

LOOK AT THE PICTURES.

In no way whatsoever did he "destroy" the house. He littered, he temporarily stained a carpet, he slightly damaged a few things, he clogged a toilet. That's it.

[Dino Pitino]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

Dam, Dino Pitno just got owned.

Dude that's really rude.  Also, he didn't get owned.  It completely ignores system and surrounding talent.  Anyone who actually paid attention this year widely acknowledges that Noel couldn't play alongside Okafor.  He spent much of this season playing out of position at PF.

He averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 2 steals and 1.5 blocks with 56% shooting as starting center.

It's also acknowledged by folks like Zach Lowe that Noel will benefit from being surrounded by better talent.  When you one of the only legitimate NBA players on the roster, it's hard not to struggle with efficiency.  We saw a massive leap in Noel's efficiency as soon as ish smith arrived.  Imagine if he had a team of NBA players surrounding him?   The Celtics are an efficient playoff team superbly coached with several offensive options.  Sullinger has played well and deserves credit, but Sullinger is not the focus of the opposing team's defense. 

Lastly, the entire conversation started because someone asked if sully has the same level of trade value as Noel.  If you think sully still has allstar potential that's fine. It has nothing to do with whether Nerlens Noel (someone who could be a DPOY long term) has trade value of his own.   This stems from someone claiming that philly was incapable of trading Noel for a guard.  It's complete hogwash.  They didn't trade Noel, because it didn't serve their agenda.  That's not to say they couldn't have flipped Noel for someone like Marcus smart had they wanted to.  The team very clearly preferred finishing out the tank job and reevaluating their options this summer.  For those of you insulting Noel by comparing him to former DPOY Tyson chandler, ask yourself if chandler could have been traded for guard help in his prime.  There's lots of guards in this league. Not a lot of star defensive bigs.  The answer is obviously yes.

Dude, I'm kidding man. This whole thread is for fun. I think Tyson Chandler is great. Also, noel is better than sullinger. Dino Pitno himself can be rude to others. He hasn't been to me, but he has for sure to others.

This is true.

My feelings weren't hurt by the claim I was pwned. I chuckled, actually. It did probably help that I wasn't actually pwned, though.

Speaking of pwnage: Is anyone going to acknowledge the absurdity of blacklisting Noel for being an inconsiderate tenant but accepting Sully who assaulted his girlfriend? Anyone? Hello? Bueller?

If Noel gets to Chandlers level, you should be happy. My point is that you make him seem more than Jordan and Chandler. And he is not. He is at most the third banana on a championship team. We see most things the same. I just like to mess with you sometimes because it's hilarious to see you defend the Sixers when we both know it's going to be all about luck in regards to their success. Yes they have assets, but so do a lot of other teams.

He's already not that far from Chandler's best. Chandler at his best was the second most important ingredient on a championship team. No team except maybe the Bulls has ever won a title without strong center defense.

[LarBrd33]

Can I clear something up for everyone in this thread:

Nerlens Noel is not in college.  He may be 21, and many of us were in college at that age, but he is not.  In fact, he had the opportunity to be in college at 21 and turned it down so he could make millions of dollars playing professional sports (ie be an adult).

Believe it or not, when a pro sports team pays you millions of dollars, these things matter.  He represents the Philadelphia 76ers, the city, the fans, and most important the ownership.  So when he rents a house, destroys it, and litters it with used roaches and clogs the toilets with crap...it matters.

This is part of the reason Hinkie is out.  The Sixers young players are growing up in a culture of losing and disrespect and that is the worst environment for a young man with lots of money.

Can I clear something up, too?

LOOK AT THE PICTURES.

In no way whatsoever did he "destroy" the house. He littered, he temporarily stained a carpet, he slightly damaged a few things, he clogged a toilet. That's it.

Lol. 

This stuff reminds me of when everyone hated Lebron James and would post new threads any time he did anything deplorable - like make a ball boy pick up a towel. 

[tankcity!]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

Dam, Dino Pitno just got owned.

Dude that's really rude.  Also, he didn't get owned.  It completely ignores system and surrounding talent.  Anyone who actually paid attention this year widely acknowledges that Noel couldn't play alongside Okafor.  He spent much of this season playing out of position at PF.

He averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 2 steals and 1.5 blocks with 56% shooting as starting center.

It's also acknowledged by folks like Zach Lowe that Noel will benefit from being surrounded by better talent.  When you one of the only legitimate NBA players on the roster, it's hard not to struggle with efficiency.  We saw a massive leap in Noel's efficiency as soon as ish smith arrived.  Imagine if he had a team of NBA players surrounding him?   The Celtics are an efficient playoff team superbly coached with several offensive options.  Sullinger has played well and deserves credit, but Sullinger is not the focus of the opposing team's defense. 

Lastly, the entire conversation started because someone asked if sully has the same level of trade value as Noel.  If you think sully still has allstar potential that's fine. It has nothing to do with whether Nerlens Noel (someone who could be a DPOY long term) has trade value of his own.   This stems from someone claiming that philly was incapable of trading Noel for a guard.  It's complete hogwash.  They didn't trade Noel, because it didn't serve their agenda.  That's not to say they couldn't have flipped Noel for someone like Marcus smart had they wanted to.  The team very clearly preferred finishing out the tank job and reevaluating their options this summer.  For those of you insulting Noel by comparing him to former DPOY Tyson chandler, ask yourself if chandler could have been traded for guard help in his prime.  There's lots of guards in this league. Not a lot of star defensive bigs.  The answer is obviously yes.

Dude, I'm kidding man. This whole thread is for fun. I think Tyson Chandler is great. Also, noel is better than sullinger. Dino Pitno himself can be rude to others. He hasn't been to me, but he has for sure to others.

This is true.

My feelings weren't hurt by the claim I was pwned. I chuckled, actually. It did probably help that I wasn't actually pwned, though.

Speaking of pwnage: Is anyone going to acknowledge the absurdity of blacklisting Noel for being an inconsiderate tenant but accepting Sully who assaulted his girlfriend? Anyone? Hello? Bueller?

If Noel gets to Chandlers level, you should be happy. My point is that you make him seem more than Jordan and Chandler. And he is not. He is at most the third banana on a championship team. We see most things the same. I just like to mess with you sometimes because it's hilarious to see you defend the Sixers when we both know it's going to be all about luck in regards to their success. Yes they have assets, but so do a lot of other teams.

He's already not that far from Chandler's best. Chandler at his best was the second most important ingredient on a championship team. No team except maybe the Bulls has ever won a title without strong center defense.

Yeah I can't disagree. Chandler was huge in that Dallas series. I don't recall a team other than the bulls winning without a strong defensive center.