Mannix: Celtics called Bulls about Jimmy Butler at trade deadline

[Ilikesports17]

I wonder what the Celtics would have to give up to have the best offer for Butler.

This year's Brooklyn pick, Bradley, the 2018 Brooklyn pick and any of Rozier, Young, Hunter or Mickey seems fair for both sides imo. If they wanted Smart instead of Bradley I'd want to keep the 2018 Brooklyn pick and replace it with a lesser pick.

If the C's don't get in the top 3 I think Ainge will try to move the pick for a star, whether it be Blake, Boogie, Butler or someone else.

problem is that any team with a star is probably thinking that if they can get a top 3 pick for that guy they might move him but otherwise they wont.

If we land top 2 we can land Jimmy, Cousins or Blake. If the pick is 3-5 we are probably going to have to look more at Kevin Love or Jahlil Okafor unless we want to start including Jae Crowder or Isaiah in deals.

If we land at 3, we could probably still get any of those 5, but I think that Smart or AB along with multiple picks would still have to be included to get a deal done.

[Evantime34]

I wonder what the Celtics would have to give up to have the best offer for Butler.

This year's Brooklyn pick, Bradley, the 2018 Brooklyn pick and any of Rozier, Young, Hunter or Mickey seems fair for both sides imo. If they wanted Smart instead of Bradley I'd want to keep the 2018 Brooklyn pick and replace it with a lesser pick.

If the C's don't get in the top 3 I think Ainge will try to move the pick for a star, whether it be Blake, Boogie, Butler or someone else.

problem is that any team with a star is probably thinking that if they can get a top 3 pick for that guy they might move him but otherwise they wont.

If we land top 2 we can land Jimmy, Cousins or Blake. If the pick is 3-5 we are probably going to have to look more at Kevin Love or Jahlil Okafor unless we want to start including Jae Crowder or Isaiah in deals.

If we land at 3, we could probably still get any of those 5, but I think that Smart or AB along with multiple picks would still have to be included to get a deal done.

I'd be happy with Okafor or Love using the 3-5 pick.

If we land in the top 2, I'd probably just rather take Ingram or Simmons. Sure the guys mentioned previously are great, but I don't think we are getting those stars just for a top 2 pick. I'd rather have Simmons/Ingram, whatever other assets would need to be included plus the cap space than Boogie, Blake or Butler.

[greece66]

I would love Butler on the C's, and I think he's a perfect fit on our team. However, does his presence make one of Crowder or Bradley expendable? We'd probably have to include one of them in a trade for Butler, right?

Also, I worry that we'd actually be trading for a guy in a position of strength of ours, i.e. the 2/3 swing position. I'd really like to use our trading chips for a big rather than a wing.

The Celts have a wealth of guys who can play 1/2 and maybe switch onto the 3.  I don't know of anybody other than Crowder who I'd really call a swing 2/3.

My answer to this is the same as when somebody asked what would happen to Crowder if the Celts draft Ingram.  The Celts could use 4-5 guys, at least, with the Crowder / Butler skillset.

See post above. I'd just rather use our good assets to pick up a big rather than a wing, because we're more in need of a big than a wing right now.

I'd rather get Butler than Cousins, all things considered.  Cousins is a headcase who probably needs to be on a team where he's not the alpha dog, and he only has 2 years left on his contract so his impending free agency becomes an issue fairly quickly.

And really, with where the league is at right now, I think the Celtics would be better off adding an excellent versatile scoring wing who can defend multiple positions as opposed to going after a high usage big.   Obviously you go for whatever talent is available, so if it's a high usage big (e.g. Okafor or Greg Monroe or whoever) you do it.  But I'd rather add an elite scoring wing with versatile defense.

Good post as always Pho.

IMO the headcase part is not so worrying. Most of these issues appear in teams that are poorly run (eg Markieff- Suns, Russell- Lakers). The respective front offices have their share of the responsibility too.

But the short duration of his contract, yes, this certainly makes him less appealing.

The hope is that the above concerns will result in Sac getting lowball offers for Boogie. If we can get Boogie for a package of picks only, then sure, go ahead.

I expect the Bulls to ask more for Butler, who still has three seasons (+1 season player option) in his old salary cap contract and less issues.

[Tr1boy]

Crowder at 6'5 the SF and Butler at 6'7 the SG??

[ABOS (A bit of Sanity)]

Crowder at 6'5 the SF and Butler at 6'7 the SG??

Correct. They are probably about the same height tho.

[Donoghus]

Crowder at 6'5 the SF and Butler at 6'7 the SG??

It'd be a good problem to have. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Crowder at 6'5 the SF and Butler at 6'7 the SG??

It'd be a good problem to have.

How would we ever survive this ?  Both on the same team.....I'd stop watching the Celtics














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