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Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2016, 04:05:13 PM »

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All 10 of our rotational players (not including Lee, Young and rookies) will without a doubt be in the league for at least another 6 years barring injuries (most will play 8-10+ years).

I agree with the spirit of your post, but do I think Jared Sullinger will be out of the league.

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2016, 04:18:44 PM »

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Good for Danny .....hold your cards

Don't make lateral moves that don't push the needle  or moves for older players

Don't buy into expensive players for THiS year ....LeBron is still top dog , too early , we at about two years away from un sitting the BIG DIvA.....LOL

Only players like Griffin or Durrant , AD , etc are worth the best assets .

If Warriors can defeat LEBron again ......I got a feeling ....change is coming.  Players moving all over the place.


Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2016, 04:28:56 PM »

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I think it's IT and crowder
It's completely reasonable for DA to say this
As the pick has more chance of resulting than it can result in a star

while we still do have players that are very productive and are among the the most valued in the league in relation to production and contract wise

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2016, 04:32:03 PM »

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All 10 of our rotational players (not including Lee, Young and rookies) will without a doubt be in the league for at least another 6 years barring injuries (most will play 8-10+ years).

I agree with the spirit of your post, but do I think Jared Sullinger will be out of the league.


History is not on Isaiah Thomas's side as far as lasting another 6 years, at least playing anywhere near his current level.
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Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2016, 04:32:20 PM »

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I found that pretty interesting actually. My guess would be Crowder and maybe Smart.
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Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2016, 05:10:54 PM »

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All 10 of our rotational players (not including Lee, Young and rookies) will without a doubt be in the league for at least another 6 years barring injuries (most will play 8-10+ years).

I agree with the spirit of your post, but do I think Jared Sullinger will be out of the league.


History is not on Isaiah Thomas's side as far as lasting another 6 years, at least playing anywhere near his current level.

He just turned 27 last week.  6 years would mean he'd retire at 32 (likely after 1-2 years of decline).  Not sure what's unbelievable.

Calvin Murphy played til 35.  And he didn't even shoot 3s.

Plus he didn't make his all star game until his 9th year in his league when he was 30.
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Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2016, 06:37:13 PM »

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But what sense does it make to say that because it's not like he has to lose one or the other. It does make sense that he would lose the BKN pick for a player on another team that he values more.

Right, it makes no sense for him to be comparing the value of the pick with his own players. Like, zero sense. Not just logically, but strategically. Broadcasting that wouldn't send other front offices the message that our own players are super-valuable, it would send the message that we don't value the pick all that much. It would give other teams a negotiating angle, e.g., "What do you mean you won't give us that pick for [insert non-superstar star]? You don't even think it's worth [insert our second best non-star]!" Sorry folks, you've been talking about a completely misinterpreted non-noteworthy statement. He's just reiterating what he's said before, that the pick is on the table for a small set of super-valuable players...on other teams. "We have some players" = Ainge and his team have a shortlist of players they'd trade it for. Just like he'd say "We have some players" to a reporter asking about his draft board...even though we don't actually have those players.

But since this thread has erroneously turned into a Which Celtic Is More Valued By Ainge Than Nets Pick, an interesting question itself, hmmm...uh, none. I mean, guys, really? The only player that'd force him to think for a second would be Smart. But no, lol, no way on earth would Ainge turn down the 3rd best lottery odds this year for any single Celtic. This is coming from a fan who thinks Smart has a not-insignificant shot of making multiple All-NBA teams. I think it's not impossible that Kelly could still become a better overall player than Dirk. I wouldn't trade Crowder for Love, or Jabari, or Barnes, or a lot of players. I am a homer, and I am prospect-****er. But, no, Ainge would cancel everything and book the player's flight himself and uncork endless bottles of non-alcoholic bubbly if he was offered the Nets 1st for anyone on our roster.

According to Himmelsbach on Twitter, I'm wrong and Ainge really did mean "some [Celtics] players"...I still don't really believe it, though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/699705184298074113

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Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2016, 08:57:42 PM »

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The Celtics without question have multiple players that they value more than the Brooklyn pick. 

However, that is not what matters.  What matters is how much other teams value those players versus the pick.  I believe there is only one player that other teams value more than that pick:  Marcus Smart. 

One could argue Crowder, but it is hard to imagine that Danny pilfered Crowder (plus a 1st round pick!) for Rondo just last year without other teams think Crowder was just OK.  My guess is that they think much more highly of him now, but would also much rather have a top 5 draft pick.

There is no doubt in my mind that since Smart started playing the league other teams have recognized that we was drafted in the right spot and is a legitimate top-5 pick talent.  So, hypothetically, he is equal to the Brooklyn pick.  The only way this changes is if that pick becomes #1 or #2.

In summary, this is why I am leaning more and more towards doing absolutely nothing this trade deadline and keeping that pick.  If other teams aren't going to give us a valuable piece that can vault us into contention with Cleveland without us giving up that pick or Marcus Smart, I am willing to pass. 

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2016, 11:37:38 PM »

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But what sense does it make to say that because it's not like he has to lose one or the other. It does make sense that he would lose the BKN pick for a player on another team that he values more.

It makes sense. 

Everybody is asking him about the Brooklyn pick and talking about it as if it's Boston's greatest asset, and is untouchable.

He's making it clear that the pick isn't the only asset on the team that he puts great value in, and that there are (in fact) players on the team that he sees as being more valuable than the pick.

In other words, he might give up the pick before he gives up player X / Y / Z.

Good for Danny .....hold your cards

Don't make lateral moves that don't push the needle  or moves for older players

Don't buy into expensive players for THiS year ....LeBron is still top dog , too early , we at about two years away from un sitting the BIG DIvA.....LOL

Only players like Griffin or Durrant , AD , etc are worth the best assets .

If Warriors can defeat LEBron again ......I got a feeling ....change is coming.  Players moving all over the place.

Yeah, if there is one thing Lebron has shown us, it's that he has absolutely zero loyalty and will not stick around just for the sake of doing the right thing. 

If he feels he doesn't feel his currently team is competitive enough to compete for a title (either now, or in the very near future) then he'll have no hesitation walking away to another team that can.

He's like a leech - he'll go to a place that smells of life/potential, then he will suck all of the life/potential out of the place until there is none left, then he will move on to the next spot.

I feel like Lebron is a Sith Lord.  He sucks teams of all their positive force energy, turns all of their existing Jedi heroes to the dark side, then leaves a trail of destruction behind as he moves to the next planet.

:D

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2016, 12:19:51 AM »

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Crowder and Smart are the most 'untouchable' on our roster.

That being said, Ainge is always shooting an angle one way or the other and he's just as easily saying this to build up someone's trade value.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2016, 01:08:20 AM »

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Keep our players, keep the pick.

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2016, 01:17:20 AM »

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DA be like

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2016, 02:16:44 AM »

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im sure he means if to require a specific player means he has to either trade a certain player or the pick, hes deff going pick on that situation

Re: Danny: We have players we value more than Brk pick.....
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2016, 03:13:27 AM »

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The pick is an unknown quantity. Not a player who you have developed for a season or two or more and is playing well in a team that is playing well and achieving more than many expected. The pick could end up anywhere from 1 to 6 (I think, maybe it could be later). So realistically, better the player you know.

And DA is doing what he does and God bless him for being a Celtic and doing what he can to insure the future prosperity of the franchise.