When will Smart start to take over?

[Ilikesports17]

I think the issue is that Smart is out and were playing well. His presence hasnt become significantly  missed. Now if we were playing bad, i'd assume the comments may be slightly different. There's no advance stat in the world that can gauge Smarts true ability at this point

Banks 2.0 is nothing more than a role player. IMO he already has reached his ceiling. You look at him and feel this guy should be aggressive, should hit the paint with authority and become the next Flash. But his mental makeup is that of Jeff Green. Heck Kwame Brown was still a valuable one years down the road. He still ended up getting chances since he was the #1 overall pick and it ended up working out. It is going to take a few years and 3 or 4 different organizations but I think Banks will do well as an 8 or 9 ppg guy off the bench who can play some defense on a contender. I don't blame Banks 2.0 for his short comings though. I blame Danny Ainge for drafting him on a team where they allowed for him to be labeled a potential future star. Ainge, has had an AWFUL draft track record over the past few years. I mean I shutter to think who he will take with the Nets pick even if its in the top 5. Certainly not a Euro since he doesn't like to draft them.

You had a whole world of NBA players to compare Marcus Smart to and you picked Jeff Green.

Also Marcus already is an 9 or 9 ppg guy with great defense. And hes played like 77 games in his NBA career.

Honestly I suggest finding a new team to root for because for the next at least 2 or 3 years you are going to hate this one.

Mentally he doesn't? Jeff Green looked like a hell of a player. When you got to the mental makeup that's when things fell apart. Its actually a really good comparison. Banks 2.0 will make some money because teams will take a flyer on him much like the Celtics did with Evan Turner because of where he was drafted. But he's never going to live up to his billing as the 6th pick. Might not even be worth a 2nd rounder by years end.

No. Mentally he is nothing like Jeff Green. You might be the only person in the world who would compare the two. They are polar opposites.

[kozlodoev]

Mentally he doesn't? Jeff Green looked like a hell of a player. When you got to the mental makeup that's when things fell apart. Its actually a really good comparison. Banks 2.0 will make some money because teams will take a flyer on him much like the Celtics did with Evan Turner because of where he was drafted. But he's never going to live up to his billing as the 6th pick. Might not even be worth a 2nd rounder by years end.

Evan Turner has far and away exceeded the production expected from someone occupying his type of salary slot. At least as far as his tenure with the Celtics is concerned. This was in no form or shape a flyer.

[chambers]

Marcus Smart is going to be a Chauncey Billups caliber All Star.
Their games are very similar. Bigger, stronger PG's who didn't come into the league as blazing shooters but slowly learned how to impact the game with their IQ's, size and vision/anticipation.
Smart's got even more potential on offense than Chauncey because of his ability to drive.
Jesus Smart hasn't even had a full season of games in the NBA under his belt yet. Something like 65 games total.

Think about how long it took Avery to get to where he is now...
Drafted in 2010, missed basically a season with shoulder problems, and in 2016 we are really only starting to see him shine as a more complete player.

When was the last time you saw a rookie affect the defensive end like Smart did last season? When have you seen a sophomore on the defensive end like Smart this season?
The main reason he has such a bright future is because of his work ethic.

The Dellavadova comparisons are understandable, but they're way off. Delly is 25 years old with little more to work on other than his shooting and dribbling game. Delly's a month older than Bradley. Delly is a role player. Marcus Smart's already a better player than Delly and projects to be a much better player at age 25 than Delly is.

[jpotter33]

I think the issue is that Smart is out and were playing well. His presence hasnt become significantly  missed. Now if we were playing bad, i'd assume the comments may be slightly different. There's no advance stat in the world that can gauge Smarts true ability at this point

Banks 2.0 is nothing more than a role player. IMO he already has reached his ceiling. You look at him and feel this guy should be aggressive, should hit the paint with authority and become the next Flash. But his mental makeup is that of Jeff Green. Heck Kwame Brown was still a valuable one years down the road. He still ended up getting chances since he was the #1 overall pick and it ended up working out. It is going to take a few years and 3 or 4 different organizations but I think Banks will do well as an 8 or 9 ppg guy off the bench who can play some defense on a contender. I don't blame Banks 2.0 for his short comings though. I blame Danny Ainge for drafting him on a team where they allowed for him to be labeled a potential future star. Ainge, has had an AWFUL draft track record over the past few years. I mean I shutter to think who he will take with the Nets pick even if its in the top 5. Certainly not a Euro since he doesn't like to draft them.

You had a whole world of NBA players to compare Marcus Smart to and you picked Jeff Green.

Also Marcus already is an 9 or 9 ppg guy with great defense. And hes played like 77 games in his NBA career.

Honestly I suggest finding a new team to root for because for the next at least 2 or 3 years you are going to hate this one.

Mentally he doesn't? Jeff Green looked like a hell of a player. When you got to the mental makeup that's when things fell apart. Its actually a really good comparison. Banks 2.0 will make some money because teams will take a flyer on him much like the Celtics did with Evan Turner because of where he was drafted. But he's never going to live up to his billing as the 6th pick. Might not even be worth a 2nd rounder by years end.

This right here just proves once again that you cannot post objectively and have no idea what you're talking about. No reasonable person would compare Smart and Green as similar mentalities. In fact, Smart is pretty much the antithesis of Green's mindset. If anything, it's a question of skill/capability with Smart, but certainly not will.

[loco_91]

I think the issue is that Smart is out and were playing well. His presence hasnt become significantly  missed. Now if we were playing bad, i'd assume the comments may be slightly different. There's no advance stat in the world that can gauge Smarts true ability at this point

Banks 2.0 is nothing more than a role player. IMO he already has reached his ceiling. You look at him and feel this guy should be aggressive, should hit the paint with authority and become the next Flash. But his mental makeup is that of Jeff Green. Heck Kwame Brown was still a valuable one years down the road. He still ended up getting chances since he was the #1 overall pick and it ended up working out. It is going to take a few years and 3 or 4 different organizations but I think Banks will do well as an 8 or 9 ppg guy off the bench who can play some defense on a contender. I don't blame Banks 2.0 for his short comings though. I blame Danny Ainge for drafting him on a team where they allowed for him to be labeled a potential future star. Ainge, has had an AWFUL draft track record over the past few years. I mean I shutter to think who he will take with the Nets pick even if its in the top 5. Certainly not a Euro since he doesn't like to draft them.

You had a whole world of NBA players to compare Marcus Smart to and you picked Jeff Green.

Also Marcus already is an 9 or 9 ppg guy with great defense. And hes played like 77 games in his NBA career.

Honestly I suggest finding a new team to root for because for the next at least 2 or 3 years you are going to hate this one.

Mentally he doesn't? Jeff Green looked like a hell of a player. When you got to the mental makeup that's when things fell apart. Its actually a really good comparison. Banks 2.0 will make some money because teams will take a flyer on him much like the Celtics did with Evan Turner because of where he was drafted. But he's never going to live up to his billing as the 6th pick. Might not even be worth a 2nd rounder by years end.

No. Mentally he is nothing like Jeff Green. You might be the only person in the world who would compare the two. They are polar opposites.

Don't feed the troll.

[BballTim]

I think the issue is that Smart is out and were playing well. His presence hasnt become significantly  missed. Now if we were playing bad, i'd assume the comments may be slightly different. There's no advance stat in the world that can gauge Smarts true ability at this point

Banks 2.0 is nothing more than a role player. IMO he already has reached his ceiling. You look at him and feel this guy should be aggressive, should hit the paint with authority and become the next Flash. But his mental makeup is that of Jeff Green. Heck Kwame Brown was still a valuable one years down the road. He still ended up getting chances since he was the #1 overall pick and it ended up working out. It is going to take a few years and 3 or 4 different organizations but I think Banks will do well as an 8 or 9 ppg guy off the bench who can play some defense on a contender. I don't blame Banks 2.0 for his short comings though. I blame Danny Ainge for drafting him on a team where they allowed for him to be labeled a potential future star. Ainge, has had an AWFUL draft track record over the past few years. I mean I shutter to think who he will take with the Nets pick even if its in the top 5. Certainly not a Euro since he doesn't like to draft them.

  That's how the world works though. You get overly excited about players that aren't in the league yet, then you complain when they don't reach the potential they never had.

[GreenWarrior]

Tough when you are playing limited minutes and he's been as up and down with injuries.  But take a guy like Michael Carter Williams.  He's a 15, 5 and 5 guy with high steals and a field goal percentage and turnover killer.  No 3 pt shot.  Probably playing more minutes than he should be. Smart so far has been a sub 10,  4 and 4 guy with steals and 3's and poor field goal percentage. I'd like to see more though.  Talent wise he's still one of our most  talented players and really should be able to establish himself more than what he's shown.  He's playing behind Isaiah and Bradley now so going to be tough. He's also a pg and it takes time but he really should start to impact our rotation later this year and into next season.

yeah, you're not going to get anyone on a Celtics board, after IT just went off to tell you Smart should be starting.

[mctyson]

Mark my words:  he is the next Gary Payton.  He defensive game is so good that once he is even an average offensive guard (45/75/35) everyone will realize this.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Im jus curious what persuaded you that Smart has peaked? I dont get it. Hasnt even played 82 games.  I respect championships or nothing but as  a fellow human  I surely doubt Marcus has showed us everything he could possibly contribute  in his 365 days as a NBA player.  Not in Boston's 11 man rotation. Same time i respect your opinion.

[IDreamCeltics]

Kobe called Marcus, "The Speckled Mamba."

[Rosco917]

I think the issue is that Smart is out and were playing well. His presence hasnt become significantly  missed. Now if we were playing bad, i'd assume the comments may be slightly different. There's no advance stat in the world that can gauge Smarts true ability at this point

Banks 2.0 is nothing more than a role player. IMO he already has reached his ceiling. You look at him and feel this guy should be aggressive, should hit the paint with authority and become the next Flash. But his mental makeup is that of Jeff Green. Heck Kwame Brown was still a valuable one years down the road. He still ended up getting chances since he was the #1 overall pick and it ended up working out. It is going to take a few years and 3 or 4 different organizations but I think Banks will do well as an 8 or 9 ppg guy off the bench who can play some defense on a contender. I don't blame Banks 2.0 for his short comings though. I blame Danny Ainge for drafting him on a team where they allowed for him to be labeled a potential future star. Ainge, has had an AWFUL draft track record over the past few years. I mean I shutter to think who he will take with the Nets pick even if its in the top 5. Certainly not a Euro since he doesn't like to draft them.

You had a whole world of NBA players to compare Marcus Smart to and you picked Jeff Green.

Also Marcus already is an 9 or 9 ppg guy with great defense. And hes played like 77 games in his NBA career.

Honestly I suggest finding a new team to root for because for the next at least 2 or 3 years you are going to hate this one.

Mentally he doesn't? Jeff Green looked like a hell of a player. When you got to the mental makeup that's when things fell apart. Its actually a really good comparison. Banks 2.0 will make some money because teams will take a flyer on him much like the Celtics did with Evan Turner because of where he was drafted. But he's never going to live up to his billing as the 6th pick. Might not even be worth a 2nd rounder by years end.

This right here just proves once again that you cannot post objectively and have no idea what you're talking about. No reasonable person would compare Smart and Green as similar mentalities. In fact, Smart is pretty much the antithesis of Green's mindset. If anything, it's a question of skill/capability with Smart, but certainly not will.

TP for an accurate sumation of his laughable statement. The two are polar opposites. 

[crimson_stallion]

Tough when you are playing limited minutes and he's been as up and down with injuries.  But take a guy like Michael Carter Williams.  He's a 15, 5 and 5 guy with high steals and a field goal percentage and turnover killer.  No 3 pt shot.  Probably playing more minutes than he should be. Smart so far has been a sub 10,  4 and 4 guy with steals and 3's and poor field goal percentage. I'd like to see more though.  Talent wise he's still one of our most  talented players and really should be able to establish himself more than what he's shown.  He's playing behind Isaiah and Bradley now so going to be tough. He's also a pg and it takes time but he really should start to impact our rotation later this year and into next season.

Smart has already started to impact the rotation.

His ability to play top shelf defence while also doing a little bit of everything else, has made him a valuable player on this team.  Every night he tends to have an impact out there in one way or other.

I'm assuming what you mean with this thread is when will he break out and show he is more than just a 'solid' player?  Honestly, who knows.  Smart is only 21 years old and he's already been a starting PG on a Playoff team - not many guys at 21 can say that.

Honestly, from what I've seen most NBA players dont really demonstrate the peak of their potential until they reach around 24-25 years of age, so it may still be years before we get a real sight of how good Smart can be. 

The important thing is that even now, he is an impact player who contributes on both ends of the court.  As long as that continues to be the case, I have no problems being patient while waiting for him to develop. It's when you have guys like James Young (who are mostly unplayable as they are) that it can test your patience.  If your prospect is out there playing and contributing every day, then I'm cool with being patient.

I don't see Smart starting again this season.

I think if he's healthy he'll definitely go back to starting..
I'm guessing in place of Bradley who was great off the bench..

Even more so if Danny wants to keep pushing Smart on the Kings
In his boogie pursuit...or for someone else.

I'm no so sure.

Smart has been a solid player, but Thomas and Bradley are both better players than Smart right now. 

Thomas is a go-to scorer with legit PG (passing and ball handling) skills. 

Bradley is the perfect sidekick - a guy who can step up and carry the team offensively when Thomas is struggling, who can helps stretch the floor (40% 3PT) to create space for Thomas' penetration, and who can still contribute (with top shelf defence) when his shot isn't falling.

The Bradley/Thomas combination has actually worked really well while Smart has been out, and personally I think the team has been playing significantly better with that combination than they were when it was Bradley/Smart or Thomas/Smart out there.

Throw Crowder into that starting unit as a second top shelf defensive player, and that Thomas/Bradley/Crowder rotation gives you a very nice offensive/defensive balance.

When Smart is out there with either Thomas or Bradley, I feel like our offense just isn't potent enough.  We need those two consistent scorers on the starting lineup an Thomas/Bradley gives us that.

Smart I think might be best served playing big minutes off the bench in a 6th man role - here there is less pressure on him to carry the offence, and he should find it easier to get his shots off against 2nd tier defence.

I actually quite like a Smart/Turner backcourt coming off the bench.  Turner adds the playmaking and ball handling, while Smart adds the outside shooting and the defensive toughness.  Thrown in either Jerebko or Hunter and I think that's a nice backup lineup.

Stevens really seems like the type of guy who likes to ride streaks - when a guy is playing well, leave him out there.  This team has been playing very well with that Thomas/Bradley frontcourt, so I just dont see him putting smart back out there anytime soon.

[crimson_stallion]

Mark my words:  he is the next Gary Payton.  He defensive game is so good that once he is even an average offensive guard (45/75/35) everyone will realize this.

You DO realise that Gary Payton averaged 24 / 9 / 7 in his best season (98/99), right?

If you think Payton was just an elite defensive player with half decent PG skills you are very, very mistaken. 

He had 9 straight seasons where he averaged at least 19 points and 7 assists.  The guy was an 11 time All-Star.

[Celtics4ever]

Smart impacts a game in a lot of ways.   But scoring is one of the ways he does the least in that regard.

[Hemingway]

I'd rather smart turned into more of a pure pointguard than improve his scoring. "taking over" could mean different things. It would be better for our team if he could get 10 dimes a game than 20 points.

It will be interesting to see the starters for the rest of the season. IT has played well starting and so has AB. In fact AB is lights out shooting to start games. Maybe on some level he knows he needs to hit a bunch of shots to start every game so that CBS would have to be crazy to move him to the bench.