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is it allready" next season"
« on: December 21, 2015, 06:45:59 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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with ainge stating the celtics need go to player
the players certainly know that the celts have a powerfull draft position and  flexibility
there is also mickey,rj ,rozier and young
sully didn't shape up and lee is not a plus ,jj lost his touch,zeller didn't do anything
KO 's defence is good now but he is consistent in his inconsistency
smart,crowder,isaiah,avery, maybe KO and zeller the rest are gone no matter how well they play and
they know it
it hurts watching lee get blocked and bobble the ball out of bounds and miss foul line jumpers,it hurts watching amir run and crumple when he hits the ground,just no bounce left after all these years--
danny -the time on lee is over amir is hobbled start the pruning now-

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2015, 06:50:32 AM »

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The sky is falling!

Re: is it allready" next season"
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2015, 07:15:31 AM »

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Despite your eloquently made argument, I think it's way too early to give up on this season. So we can't beat the Cavs, that's not exactly breaking news. Just a week ago everybody, fans and pundits alike were saying we were one of the top Eastern teams and now after a losing streak the sky is falling?

I tend to believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. Thankfully, the Nets pick has given us the luxury to not tank even if this team may not be as good as we wanted/hoped it could be. Even if we dealt all our veteran depth (Lee, Johnson, Turner, even Sullinger) I don't think we'd be bad enough to drop down that far, so we might as well try to make the playoffs.

If things aren't looking so hot around the trade deadline I wouldn't be opposed to dealing some of the players who aren't part of our long-term future, however. We can't keep this much depth on the team and keep everybody happy, and at some point the younger players need to get more PT. Guys like Turner, Lee, and Jerebko are expendable, in my eyes. I like that Johnson is more defensively minded and wouldn't mind keeping him around for the second year in his deal. Sullinger hasn't shown the improvement and work ethic you'd want from a guy in his contract year and I wouldn't re-sign him to a big deal just because we happen to need his rebounding.

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2015, 09:51:37 AM »

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I agree that Smart, IT, AB, Crowder and probably KO are the core of this team right now. They and the rookies (including Young) are most likely to be on next years team. Of the othersI would like to keep Amir. Sully (RFA, weight /injury risks), ET (just don´t think he is in the C´s long term plans), JJ, Zeller and Lee could be traded. Turning 4 or all 5 of these guys into 2 or 3 quality guys that fill our needs, say a rim protector and a scorer, would be really nice. This would not be tanking. We should not think about tanking this year, the Nets do that for us. We should sacrifice some depth, we have too much anyway. Get upgrades in our areas of need, get more consistent rotations and get the rookies some playing time.

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2015, 10:07:46 AM »

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Re: is it allready" next season"
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2015, 10:09:14 AM »

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It's an up and down team.  It'll be an up and down season.

This isn't a huge surprise.  If you looked at the roster to start the season you could see that this would likely be a team that'd hang around .500.  Look good some nights, bad on others.  They just don't have the consistent two-way impact guys to ensure otherwise.

Many pointed to the 20-11 streak to end last season, but that was always at least somewhat of a mirage.  The scouting report is out on this team now, and they're gonna have to fight to maintain consistent effort. 

Anyway, there's not much "pruning" for Ainge to do.  Maybe he can find a taker for Sullinger, who is having an OK season but will probably want more money than he's worth next summer.  I don't think we'll see any big names get moved before the off-season, at least not any big names under the age of 30.



My biggest disappointment with the season so far, without question, is how things have gone for Smart.  Slow start to the year, OKC game aside, and then he gets knocked out for a while with an injury.  I was really hoping we'd see him take another step.  Now I'm starting to wonder just what caliber of pro he's gonna be long term.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2015, 10:17:48 AM »

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it was not a mistake i used pruning which aids growth
,i actually think zeller is a great backup center in brads system,
i think amir is fragile at this stage
i don't know how these guys sleep at night with all the rumors spreading and press echoing
making friends and moving family's
it was a merry go round last year and i think everybody is just waiting for the ride to start again-

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2015, 10:34:35 AM »

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It's an up and down team.  It'll be an up and down season.

This isn't a huge surprise.  If you looked at the roster to start the season you could see that this would likely be a team that'd hang around .500.  Look good some nights, bad on others.  They just don't have the consistent two-way impact guys to ensure otherwise.

Many pointed to the 20-11 streak to end last season, but that was always at least somewhat of a mirage.  The scouting report is out on this team now, and they're gonna have to fight to maintain consistent effort. 

Anyway, there's not much "pruning" for Ainge to do.  Maybe he can find a taker for Sullinger, who is having an OK season but will probably want more money than he's worth next summer.  I don't think we'll see any big names get moved before the off-season, at least not any big names under the age of 30.



My biggest disappointment with the season so far, without question, is how things have gone for Smart.  Slow start to the year, OKC game aside, and then he gets knocked out for a while with an injury.  I was really hoping we'd see him take another step.  Now I'm starting to wonder just what caliber of pro he's gonna be long term.
I agree with all of this. There is no need to make drastic moves when the team is as expected.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2015, 10:42:40 AM »

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Marcus Smart will make a huge difference when he gets back. We are still likely going to be a top 5 or 6 team in the East once Smart returns. If things go well we could be top 4 in the East when all is said and done.

All these close losses without Smart is a great sign- he's a crucial part of our long term success.

If Smart plays the rest of the season without missing too much time, we'll be beating teams like Detroit and Atlanta.

All we need to do is be ready for the playoffs with a healthy roster.
We can beat any team in the East in a 7 game series except the Cavs at this point, so our goal should be to make the ECF. It's a very tough, hopefully no injuries kinda goal, but it's realistic.
I think if this team didn't make the 2nd round of the playoffs it would be a disappointment in general.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2015, 10:43:19 AM »

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Play Rozier and Mickey. Trade Lee.

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2015, 11:40:26 AM »

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Rollie might be the smartest blogger on this website.

This is an interesting question and I agree.

It is as if we just ended last season.

There are one or two posters who dominate this website with knee-jerk analysis. They make these bold proclamations and primarily stick to them. When the team loses, they say this is what was expected. Or if they win, they say it is remarkable what Stevens does and this team has grit but will never get anywhere without more talent.

I agree with Rollie that this is the time of the season which is very hard for players. They don't know if they are coming or going.

I see easy games on the immediate schedule. This is the time for the C's to start piling up some wins. If we don't do well above average in the next several weeks, Smart or no Smart, we may just have hit that first round and done ceiling.

I agree with everything Rollie says. Lee has been a complete bust. Amir is solid but not the young man he once was. Kelly is inconsistent or too shy on offense. Sully did not get into good shape.

I don't mind Amir Johnson. The Johnson signing made sense. The David Lee/Wallace trade did not. Or trading for David Lee did make sense in a roll the dice kind of way, but it didn't work out, so why can't he now be benched?

Tyler Zeller was productive last year. Lee should be in the Wallace end of bench mentoring role. Jordan Mickey would be perfect as the fifth big big going back and forth from Maine and Boston. Johnson, Sully, Olynyk, and Zeller should be the rotation for bigs.

Jerebko needs to show more soon or let him go, trade him.

Pruning is a perfect word. Or think about hair. If someone wants healthy hair, it is best for them to trim the ends. Then it grows better and faster with less split ends.

If you pruned David Lee out of games, there'd be one less fat ego draining energy from the team's bulb or whatever it's called that makes up the heart and soul of a plant.

As for Sullinger, let him play the Humphries/Bass one more year to go role. Trade him or reevaluate him at the end of the season. A lot of guys are on one year deals. Rollie is 100% correct. This happens every year. Once the trade deadline passes, all players can relax. Some players in particular let it get to themselves more than others.

I think Humphries and Bass were model players for an Ainge/Stevens administration. Everyone is respected and all players get their opportunities and the C's will try to do well by them.

The Celtics are at another fork in the road. It is called an easy schedule. We shall see whether they put together a nice stretch, sludge forward, or regress. No one knows until the games are played.

Knee-jerk reactions are foolish. Look at Brooklyn and how some posters were so happy they looked tough for a couple weeks and were bordering on looking like a 30-40 win team.

I see Brooklyn has the third worst record.

They are an awful team. They are not winning 30 games and might not reach even 25 wins.

The Celtics are currently outside of the playoffs. I will not knee-jerk. I expect them to do well in upcoming games. I then expect for the same posters dominating this website to say the same things they always do.

There will be no refreshing breaths of fresh air from them such as I was wrong, Brooklyn is awful, or that the Celtics have become a top Eastern Conference team despite playing only .500 ball so far.

The Celtics are going nowhere but up this season. Last year we were 14 games under .500 at one point. They have been playing a form of rope-a-dope, inho. 

I still believe the Celtics will take or come close to winning 50 games, trades or no trades. They are in the tier right below Cleveland, San Antonio, Golden State and possibly Oklahoma. There are two to four teams this year which are the best, then there are the rest. We are part of the rest of the pack, but with a high ceiling.

Brad Stevens is a great coach, works hard, and his brain is always functioning. I have no clue, however, why he continues to play David Lee. The guy is cooked. He is holding us back. It is Brad's fault for playing him so much, but I figure Danny will do some pruning or Brad will figure it out soon and send him to the bench where he belongs. David Lee and Turner do not seem to fit in. They are not as egotistical say as Sam Cassell was, but they are not team players in the Celtics tradition.

But it is like a Rubik's Cube. You just can't go bing, bang, boom, and the roster is perfect. You have to be stuck with a Gerald Wallace to get high draft picks. Now we are stuck with David Lee. We used to be stuck with Jameer Nelson and Brandan Wright. Patience is needed. This is only the beginning of year three of the rebuild. The big question is whether we are a 40 or 50 win team while still owning three straight years of Brooklyn's picks.

Rollie nailed it with this entry. Everything is up in the air until the trading season ends when team rosters are set for the second half of the year.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2015, 12:00:50 PM »

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sully didn't shape up and lee is not a plus ,jj lost his touch,zeller didn't do anything


I agree with everything Rollie says. Lee has been a complete bust. Amir is solid but not the young man he once was. Kelly is inconsistent or too shy on offense. Sully did not get into good shape.


I agree with 99% of what you guys are saying.  The 1% is sort of off-topic but do you really think Sully's weight has been an issue this year?  He's been an exceptional rebounder and an average defender.  His FTs and touch around the rim have been his biggest weaknesses this year IMO - and I chalk that up to a mental block more than him not being in shape.

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2015, 12:23:20 PM »

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sully didn't shape up and lee is not a plus ,jj lost his touch,zeller didn't do anything


I agree with everything Rollie says. Lee has been a complete bust. Amir is solid but not the young man he once was. Kelly is inconsistent or too shy on offense. Sully did not get into good shape.


I agree with 99% of what you guys are saying.  The 1% is sort of off-topic but do you really think Sully's weight has been an issue this year?  He's been an exceptional rebounder and an average defender.  His FTs and touch around the rim have been his biggest weaknesses this year IMO - and I chalk that up to a mental block more than him not being in shape.

I think fitness shows up in Sully's shooting percentages.  He started the year off well but has fallen off more and more as time has gone on.  He's rebounding well, but some of that is because he's often the only dedicated rebounder on the floor for the Celts.  His offense has been mostly putrid.  He's a rebounding specialist.  Hard to have a good offense starting a guy like that.
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sully didn't shape up and lee is not a plus ,jj lost his touch,zeller didn't do anything


I agree with everything Rollie says. Lee has been a complete bust. Amir is solid but not the young man he once was. Kelly is inconsistent or too shy on offense. Sully did not get into good shape.


I agree with 99% of what you guys are saying.  The 1% is sort of off-topic but do you really think Sully's weight has been an issue this year?  He's been an exceptional rebounder and an average defender.  His FTs and touch around the rim have been his biggest weaknesses this year IMO - and I chalk that up to a mental block more than him not being in shape.
I don't think he's in good enough shape to prevent injury or help himself have a long career.
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