Cs ranked 10th in ESPN future rantings

[PhoSita]

Honestly it could really waver between 5 and 25 based on how all the draft picks coming down the pike over the next few years pan out, especially the Nets picks.

Pelton and Ford have the Nets dead last and I see nothing to reasonably contradict that assessment. As for ending up in the 20s that's very pessimistic given the competition.

I think you misunderstood me.

When I said, "it could really waver between 5 and 25," what I was saying is that the Celts could be a top 5 "future rankings" team, or they could be toward the bottom.  Where those picks end up will make a huge difference in that regard.

What you posted above is what I understood. I think the likelihood of the Cs varying from 5-15 is reasonable, but I don't see us falling back into the bottom 10 in any reasonable scenario. There are a lot very poorly owned/managed teams that eat up a bunch of the slots and will until they get new ownership.

Fair point.

Still, I stand by my statement.  Things look OK for the Celts right now, but from where I stand much of that depends on one of the future picks owed to the Celts turning into a gem, either as a trade asset or as a player the team develops into a star.

If Danny can't turn any of those picks into a star one way or another, the Celts might be looking at rebooting entirely in a few years.  It's tough to be in a middling market with no star talent, especially when everybody in the league has cap space.

Luck in the draft means so much to a rebuild.  Look how it's worked out for the Cavaliers, Clippers, and probably soon the Timberwolves. 

If the Celts get a top 5 pick from the Nets next summer, plus another top 10 pick from the Mavs, and both picks yield young stars, suddenly the Celts are a model franchise.  If those picks turn into more role players . . . yikes.

[Big333223]

Because its only looking at 2 seaons beyond this one and Durant, Westbrook, Griffin, and Jordan are all young all stars. Throw in Paul (who has another 5 year in him, I'd say) and Ibaka (not quite and all star but really good and young also) and it makes sense to me.

Durant is a UFA after this year and Westbrook is a UFA after 2. Griffin has an early termination after 2. We made the playoffs with most of our team on rookie deals, and the last piece of the puzzle to becoming a playoff team was Isaiah Thomas, who will be around for 3 more years. Still don't understand why those teams are better than us in 2 years.

As of today, there is no indication that any of those players would be leaving their teams and they're all better than anyone on the Celtics roster right now.

[Moranis]

Honestly it could really waver between 5 and 25 based on how all the draft picks coming down the pike over the next few years pan out, especially the Nets picks.

Pelton and Ford have the Nets dead last and I see nothing to reasonably contradict that assessment. As for ending up in the 20s that's very pessimistic given the competition.

I think you misunderstood me.

When I said, "it could really waver between 5 and 25," what I was saying is that the Celts could be a top 5 "future rankings" team, or they could be toward the bottom.  Where those picks end up will make a huge difference in that regard.

What you posted above is what I understood. I think the likelihood of the Cs varying from 5-15 is reasonable, but I don't see us falling back into the bottom 10 in any reasonable scenario. There are a lot very poorly owned/managed teams that eat up a bunch of the slots and will until they get new ownership. BKN, NYK, SAC, MIN, CHA, LAL, DEN, and PHX. CLE would be there too except Lebron wanted to go home. That doesn't leave many slots open in the bottom 10 and given our strong management, strong cap room, and picks, I can't see a scenario where we end up filling them.

Last year Boston had the 16th best record with Utah, Brooklyn, and Phoenix within 2 wins of Boston.  Milwaukee was the only team within 5 wins better than Boston (i.e. 14th had 45 wins). 

And yet you don't see how Boston could end up outside of the top 15 over the next 3 seasons.  I get that this is a Celticsblog, but let's base things on reality here. 

[colincb]

Honestly it could really waver between 5 and 25 based on how all the draft picks coming down the pike over the next few years pan out, especially the Nets picks.

Pelton and Ford have the Nets dead last and I see nothing to reasonably contradict that assessment. As for ending up in the 20s that's very pessimistic given the competition.

I think you misunderstood me.

When I said, "it could really waver between 5 and 25," what I was saying is that the Celts could be a top 5 "future rankings" team, or they could be toward the bottom.  Where those picks end up will make a huge difference in that regard.

What you posted above is what I understood. I think the likelihood of the Cs varying from 5-15 is reasonable, but I don't see us falling back into the bottom 10 in any reasonable scenario. There are a lot very poorly owned/managed teams that eat up a bunch of the slots and will until they get new ownership. BKN, NYK, SAC, MIN, CHA, LAL, DEN, and PHX. CLE would be there too except Lebron wanted to go home. That doesn't leave many slots open in the bottom 10 and given our strong management, strong cap room, and picks, I can't see a scenario where we end up filling them.

Last year Boston had the 16th best record with Utah, Brooklyn, and Phoenix within 2 wins of Boston.  Milwaukee was the only team within 5 wins better than Boston (i.e. 14th had 45 wins). 

And yet you don't see how Boston could end up outside of the top 15 over the next 3 seasons.  I get that this is a Celticsblog, but let's base things on reality here.

I said being in the bottom 10 was unreasonable given the future assets they have combined with their current assets vs a lot of teams that are screwed for at least the next three years. I also said 5-15 is reasonable.

I didn't say that they couldn't fall out of the top 15.

[Moranis]

Honestly it could really waver between 5 and 25 based on how all the draft picks coming down the pike over the next few years pan out, especially the Nets picks.

Pelton and Ford have the Nets dead last and I see nothing to reasonably contradict that assessment. As for ending up in the 20s that's very pessimistic given the competition.

I think you misunderstood me.

When I said, "it could really waver between 5 and 25," what I was saying is that the Celts could be a top 5 "future rankings" team, or they could be toward the bottom.  Where those picks end up will make a huge difference in that regard.

What you posted above is what I understood. I think the likelihood of the Cs varying from 5-15 is reasonable, but I don't see us falling back into the bottom 10 in any reasonable scenario. There are a lot very poorly owned/managed teams that eat up a bunch of the slots and will until they get new ownership. BKN, NYK, SAC, MIN, CHA, LAL, DEN, and PHX. CLE would be there too except Lebron wanted to go home. That doesn't leave many slots open in the bottom 10 and given our strong management, strong cap room, and picks, I can't see a scenario where we end up filling them.

Last year Boston had the 16th best record with Utah, Brooklyn, and Phoenix within 2 wins of Boston.  Milwaukee was the only team within 5 wins better than Boston (i.e. 14th had 45 wins). 

And yet you don't see how Boston could end up outside of the top 15 over the next 3 seasons.  I get that this is a Celticsblog, but let's base things on reality here.

I said being in the bottom 10 was unreasonable given the future assets they have combined with their current assets vs a lot of teams that are screwed for at least the next three years. I also said 5-15 is reasonable.

I didn't say that they couldn't fall out of the top 15.

It is not unreasonable for a team that finished 16th to drop only 5 spots over the next 3 years, especially as teams behind said team have their younger players with much higher ceilings develop.   

[colincb]

Honestly it could really waver between 5 and 25 based on how all the draft picks coming down the pike over the next few years pan out, especially the Nets picks.

Pelton and Ford have the Nets dead last and I see nothing to reasonably contradict that assessment. As for ending up in the 20s that's very pessimistic given the competition.

I think you misunderstood me.

When I said, "it could really waver between 5 and 25," what I was saying is that the Celts could be a top 5 "future rankings" team, or they could be toward the bottom.  Where those picks end up will make a huge difference in that regard.

What you posted above is what I understood. I think the likelihood of the Cs varying from 5-15 is reasonable, but I don't see us falling back into the bottom 10 in any reasonable scenario. There are a lot very poorly owned/managed teams that eat up a bunch of the slots and will until they get new ownership. BKN, NYK, SAC, MIN, CHA, LAL, DEN, and PHX. CLE would be there too except Lebron wanted to go home. That doesn't leave many slots open in the bottom 10 and given our strong management, strong cap room, and picks, I can't see a scenario where we end up filling them.

Last year Boston had the 16th best record with Utah, Brooklyn, and Phoenix within 2 wins of Boston.  Milwaukee was the only team within 5 wins better than Boston (i.e. 14th had 45 wins). 

And yet you don't see how Boston could end up outside of the top 15 over the next 3 seasons.  I get that this is a Celticsblog, but let's base things on reality here.

I said being in the bottom 10 was unreasonable given the future assets they have combined with their current assets vs a lot of teams that are screwed for at least the next three years. I also said 5-15 is reasonable.

I didn't say that they couldn't fall out of the top 15.

It is not unreasonable for a team that finished 16th to drop only 5 spots over the next 3 years, especially as teams behind said team have their younger players with much higher ceilings develop.   

Like who?

[tarheelsxxiii]

The two factors weighted the lightest --the reputation of the city and the franchise (8%), and what kind of draft picks they expect the team to have in the future (8%) -- seem just as relevant as good coaching and spending habits... definitely not half as important.

My perception could be skewed given we have the former, though, and desperately need the latter.

[Smitty77]

Could someone tell me where the Charlotte Hornets ranked overall?

Thanks,

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

To help settle a dispute with a Hornets' fan and buddy of mine (I live just miles from their home arena in Charlotte), could someone tell me where Charlotte finished overall on this measure.

Thanks again,

Smitty77

[D.o.s.]

To help settle a dispute with a Hornets' fan and buddy of mine (I live just miles from their home arena in Charlotte), could someone tell me where Charlotte finished overall on this measure.

Thanks again,

Smitty77

25th overall.

After a disappointing return to the lottery in 2014-15, the Hornets made an aggressive win-now move by swapping 2014 lottery pick Noah Vonleh to Portland for Nicolas Batum. Adding Batum and drafting Wisconsin star Frank Kaminsky should upgrade Charlotte's shooting in the short term and could get the Hornets back to the playoffs.

Looking over a longer window, however, there are concerns ahead. Batum and center Al Jefferson can both be unrestricted free agents next summer. So while Charlotte has plenty of cap flexibility, the team will either have to pay heavily to re-sign the starters or replace them.

On the plus side, the Hornets were able to lock in forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to a team-friendly four-year, $52 million extension. Kidd-Gilchrist and point guard Kemba Walker, the team's two young building blocks, are signed for a combined $25 million a year through 2018-19, a reasonable sum as the cap increases.