Wade hurt

[Eddie20]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

Is anyone actually surprised by this? Miami has been extremely stupid with how they have managed their players over the last month since Dragic went down.

At best they were going to get a first round matchup with Atlanta or Cleveland with no Bosh. For a team like us with almost no playoff experience, this can be a good thing. For a team that has had the majority of their team in the last 4 finals, a sweep and more wear and tear on wade it is not (adding insult to injury) making the playoffs cost them a top 10 pick.

Although there is reportedly no "structural damage to the knee" do they really want to lose him for all of next year when they would presumably have bosh, whiteside, dragic and him and for next year (plus mcroberts, a top ten pick and potential free agents)?

And with all that we have our little 10 TP bet going on...

Are you still optimistic about that?

Uh, yeah. Very.


Remaining schedule...

Pistons
Pacers
H- Hornets
H- Bulls
H- Raptors
H- Magic
76ers

Win the tiebreaker vs Boston or Brooklyn.

The writer for the Miami Herald doesn't share your optimism

With Wade hurt again, this now truly feels like a season on the brink for a team that has advanced to the NBA Finals for four consecutive seasons but now might miss out of the playoffs completely.

The Heat has lost five of its last seven games and now travels to Detroit with Wade hurting, Hassan Whiteside injured, Luol Deng gimpy, Udonis Haslem sick, Chris Andersen less than healthy, Michael Beasley in pain and Chris Bosh, Josh McRoberts and Shabazz Napier either watching from the bench in suits or back in Miami recovering from surgery. The loss to the Cavaliers dropped the Heat (34-41) into a tie with the Boston Celtics for eighth in the Eastern Conference standings. The Charlotte Hornets are one back in the loss column.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article17270891.html#storylink=cpy

Who's entirely healthy at this time of the year? Wade is questionable for Detroit so even if he's out it's reasonable to think he'll be back soon. Deng, Whiteside, Haslem, and Bird are all playing. Napier was stuck on the bench and getting DNPCD's. McRoberts didn't contribute all year. Bosh has been out for a while now and record wise they didn't suffer.

The fact I think they'll make it has less to do with them, but more of an indictment of the teams they're battling it out for. That said, their top 4 guys (Dragic, Wade, Whiteside, Deng) are pretty good.

By comparison the Celtics are pretty healthy and just got a really unexpected boost in Sullinger being available for a few minutes. If you don't think the Heat are unusual banged up when they have multiple starters battling knees injuries and their own beat writer is commenting on it, I don't really know what to tell you. Every team battling the Heat is significantly healthier than they are.

You could say they're healthy, but if you want to be pessimistic, like the Heat writer (who I've never heard of before) then you could say Sullinger is dealing with a stress fracture and weight issues, Thomas has a bone bruise to his tailbone, and Olynyk has a laceration to his eye. I mean you're mentioning Whiteside, who is playing with a laceration to his hand, so it's all relative.

I am getting confused are you a heat fan or a Celtics fan? I am not trolling you, but am confused by your comment about the Heat writer. Do you follow the Heat and know their writers? I don't know, but this is on front of their sports section of Miami Herald (not exactly bleacher report). I also don't get how you can compare swelling in knees to a black eye. I get that Whiteside's injury is least serious but he has also talked about how much it bothers him.

I live in Miami so I know who covers the team (Jackson, Cote, Skolnick might still write some).

I despise the Heat, but I'm also realistic. If you combine both rosters the starting lineup would have one C's player (PF spot), but the rest would be comprised of Wade, Dragic, Whiteside, and Deng. I think the C's have better depth, but the Heat are more talented 1-4.

[csfansince60s]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Not sure where I want the team to "be bad" comes from. I reread my post more than once and I can't seem to find that in there, but I'm sure that you know what I meant better than I do.

What I don't want is for us to lose potentially 5-6 draft positions for a Pyrrhic victory. It is my preference that this team fight like crazy till the end, gain that experience and confidence fighting for a playoff spot and have us somehow not make the playoffs, preferably by the other playoff contender pretenders winning more games than we win. The difference in 5-6 draft slots is huge in trying to trade up, if that is what we want to do. If not, it gives us a better chance to get a better player.

[csfansince60s]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

[SHAQATTACK]

Excuse me .....I need to blow my nose ...

[SparzWizard]

Good. Hope he stays injured for the rest of the season and I ain't even kidding. I wish injuries on players that I strongly detest.

[Beat LA]

Oh darn (sarcasm)... Of course, knowing Miami, they'll probably just miss the playoffs and somehow (sarcasm) wind up with a top 3 pick.  Sigh. 

[fairweatherfan]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

Eh, I understand the mixed feelings but if we can pull out this game we'll be 19-11 in the last 30, otherwise 18-12.  That's .600+ ball for a bit less than half a season; I'll take that, and I definitely don't think it's backing in.

[celticsclay]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

Eh, I understand the mixed feelings but if we can pull out this game we'll be 19-11 in the last 30, otherwise 18-12.  That's .600+ ball for a bit less than half a season; I'll take that, and I definitely don't think it's backing in.

Yea psychologically it is very hard to convince people to see things that don't align with a decision they have already made. I think if you polled most Celtics fans and asked for their record over the last 30 games very few would put us at 18-12 or 19-11.

I've always known this, but the whole tanking debate has been a vivid reminder of how hard it is to change people's mind once it has been made up.

[csfansince60s]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

Eh, I understand the mixed feelings but if we can pull out this game we'll be 19-11 in the last 30, otherwise 18-12.  That's .600+ ball for a bit less than half a season; I'll take that, and I definitely don't think it's backing in.

Yea psychologically it is very hard to convince people to see things that don't align with a decision they have already made. I think if you polled most Celtics fans and asked for their record over the last 30 games very few would put us at 18-12 or 19-11.

I've always known this, but the whole tanking debate has been a vivid reminder of how hard it is to change people's mind once it has been made up.

Since Feb 1st, we are 18-12 not including tonight. We are 4-6 against teams with winning records, 14-6 vs the losers.

While we beat Memphis by 3 and the Hawks by 1 as well as the Suns when they were reeling after the deadline and the Pels, we lost to the Lakers, Kings and Pistons. Of our 14 wins vs losers, we beat Philly 3 times and the Knicks twice. We beat the losers most of the time, but we really struggle vs the chalk.

I love the individuals we have on this team and how they play with fire and enjoy playing together as a team under Stevens and love the future of this team and love how Danny has situated us with IT, Jerebko, Datome, Crowder, the number of draft picks as well as cap space/TEs we have to use, BUT we struggle mightily against winning teams, and that's who we will face in the playoffs.

Instant gratification vs delayed gratification? I've got to go with the latter.

[SHAQATTACK]

Love to see Indy beat Wade the Thug Sunday.

[celticsclay]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

Eh, I understand the mixed feelings but if we can pull out this game we'll be 19-11 in the last 30, otherwise 18-12.  That's .600+ ball for a bit less than half a season; I'll take that, and I definitely don't think it's backing in.

Yea psychologically it is very hard to convince people to see things that don't align with a decision they have already made. I think if you polled most Celtics fans and asked for their record over the last 30 games very few would put us at 18-12 or 19-11.

I've always known this, but the whole tanking debate has been a vivid reminder of how hard it is to change people's mind once it has been made up.

Since Feb 1st, we are 18-12 not including tonight. We are 4-6 against teams with winning records, 14-6 vs the losers.

While we beat Memphis by 3 and the Hawks by 1 as well as the Suns when they were reeling after the deadline and the Pels, we lost to the Lakers, Kings and Pistons. Of our 14 wins vs losers, we beat Philly 3 times and the Knicks twice. We beat the losers most of the time, but we really struggle vs the chalk.

I love the individuals we have on this team and how they play with fire and enjoy playing together as a team under Stevens and love the future of this team and love how Danny has situated us with IT, Jerebko, Datome, Crowder, the number of draft picks as well as cap space/TEs we have to use, BUT we struggle mightily against winning teams, and that's who we will face in the playoffs.

Instant gratification vs delayed gratification? I've got to go with the latter.

The bold is definitely a fair point. I would argue there is not a whole lot of delayed gratification gained if we pick 10th instead of 15th, but I can at least understand that argument.

Saying we are beating the bad teams and slightly below .500 against the teams with winning records isn't real a huge indictment against the team. That is kind of what good teams do. Do you realize the clippers, raptors, wizards, thunder, mavericks and pelicans are all below .500 vs winning teams? Heck even teams like san Antonio and Houston are only 1 or 2 games over vs the winning teams. The fact is for a 30 game stretch the Celtics have played like a good team. if they made the playoffs it would be really inaccurate to call it backing in, or not acknowledge how well they have played for 3 months.

[csfansince60s]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

Eh, I understand the mixed feelings but if we can pull out this game we'll be 19-11 in the last 30, otherwise 18-12.  That's .600+ ball for a bit less than half a season; I'll take that, and I definitely don't think it's backing in.

Yea psychologically it is very hard to convince people to see things that don't align with a decision they have already made. I think if you polled most Celtics fans and asked for their record over the last 30 games very few would put us at 18-12 or 19-11.

I've always known this, but the whole tanking debate has been a vivid reminder of how hard it is to change people's mind once it has been made up.

Since Feb 1st, we are 18-12 not including tonight. We are 4-6 against teams with winning records, 14-6 vs the losers.

While we beat Memphis by 3 and the Hawks by 1 as well as the Suns when they were reeling after the deadline and the Pels, we lost to the Lakers, Kings and Pistons. Of our 14 wins vs losers, we beat Philly 3 times and the Knicks twice. We beat the losers most of the time, but we really struggle vs the chalk.

I love the individuals we have on this team and how they play with fire and enjoy playing together as a team under Stevens and love the future of this team and love how Danny has situated us with IT, Jerebko, Datome, Crowder, the number of draft picks as well as cap space/TEs we have to use, BUT we struggle mightily against winning teams, and that's who we will face in the playoffs.

Instant gratification vs delayed gratification? I've got to go with the latter.

The bold is definitely a fair point. I would argue there is not a whole lot of delayed gratification gained if we pick 10th instead of 15th, but I can at least understand that argument.

Saying we are beating the bad teams and slightly below .500 against the teams with winning records isn't real a huge indictment against the team. That is kind of what good teams do. Do you realize the clippers, raptors, wizards, thunder, mavericks and pelicans are all below .500 vs winning teams? Heck even teams like san Antonio and Houston are only 1 or 2 games over vs the winning teams. The fact is for a 30 game stretch the Celtics have played like a good team. if they made the playoffs it would be really inaccurate to call it backing in, or not acknowledge how well they have played for 3 months.

I kind of sensed as I was researching and writing that what you proffered in the bold above is actually the case.

Good teams beat the teams that they are supposed to.

Hey, all us on here all want the same thing: championships, ultimately, but at the least, being competitive for those championships. And, you know what, the process of getting there is a big part of the fun. Kind of like the journey being the thing to be truly savored, not just the destination (the Station). I lose sight of that sometimes.

And aside from the common thread of Celtics love, that's the thing I enjoy about this board: we all have different ideas of the best way to get to the same place, and that makes you question both yourself and others and makes for a healthy exchanging of thoughts.

Go Cs and TP for the respectful, cogent manner in which you write even dissenting opinions.

[celticsclay]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

No fan of Wade, but I'm not thrilled about this. Everything seems to be going our way in terms of backing into the playoffs.

My ideal scenario was for us to fight fiercely and just miss the playoffs, giving all the kids the hunt for the playoffs taste/experience and then just falling short and getting the 10th-11th pick rather than the 15th or 16th.

Too many things going our way...where was all this "luck" from '10-'13???

why even follow this team if u want them to be bad and lose

Also is playing over .500 ball for a couple of months really backing in?

Yes, especially if pretty much everyone is backing up. The Eastern Conference is a joke. Better to reign in hell, though than serve in heaven, huh?

EDIT: More specifically, I don't want to make the playoffs because we suck less than everyone else vying for the spots.

Eh, I understand the mixed feelings but if we can pull out this game we'll be 19-11 in the last 30, otherwise 18-12.  That's .600+ ball for a bit less than half a season; I'll take that, and I definitely don't think it's backing in.

Yea psychologically it is very hard to convince people to see things that don't align with a decision they have already made. I think if you polled most Celtics fans and asked for their record over the last 30 games very few would put us at 18-12 or 19-11.

I've always known this, but the whole tanking debate has been a vivid reminder of how hard it is to change people's mind once it has been made up.

Since Feb 1st, we are 18-12 not including tonight. We are 4-6 against teams with winning records, 14-6 vs the losers.

While we beat Memphis by 3 and the Hawks by 1 as well as the Suns when they were reeling after the deadline and the Pels, we lost to the Lakers, Kings and Pistons. Of our 14 wins vs losers, we beat Philly 3 times and the Knicks twice. We beat the losers most of the time, but we really struggle vs the chalk.

I love the individuals we have on this team and how they play with fire and enjoy playing together as a team under Stevens and love the future of this team and love how Danny has situated us with IT, Jerebko, Datome, Crowder, the number of draft picks as well as cap space/TEs we have to use, BUT we struggle mightily against winning teams, and that's who we will face in the playoffs.

Instant gratification vs delayed gratification? I've got to go with the latter.

The bold is definitely a fair point. I would argue there is not a whole lot of delayed gratification gained if we pick 10th instead of 15th, but I can at least understand that argument.

Saying we are beating the bad teams and slightly below .500 against the teams with winning records isn't real a huge indictment against the team. That is kind of what good teams do. Do you realize the clippers, raptors, wizards, thunder, mavericks and pelicans are all below .500 vs winning teams? Heck even teams like san Antonio and Houston are only 1 or 2 games over vs the winning teams. The fact is for a 30 game stretch the Celtics have played like a good team. if they made the playoffs it would be really inaccurate to call it backing in, or not acknowledge how well they have played for 3 months.

I kind of sensed as I was researching and writing that what you proffered in the bold above is actually the case.

Good teams beat the teams that they are supposed to.

Hey, all us on here all want the same thing: championships, ultimately, but at the least, being competitive for those championships. And, you know what, the process of getting there is a big part of the fun. Kind of like the journey being the thing to be truly savored, not just the destination (the Station). I lose sight of that sometimes.

And aside from the common thread of Celtics love, that's the thing I enjoy about this board: we all have different ideas of the best way to get to the same place, and that makes you question both yourself and others and makes for a healthy exchanging of thoughts.

Go Cs and TP for the respectful, cogent manner in which you write even dissenting opinions.

TP back at you. I still get surprised whenever I look at the Celtics numbers for the last 3 months. It really is pretty mind blowing how long they have played good. I think with the latest Heat news, Deng possibly out for the season, Whiteside missing yesterday's game etc. We have as a good a shot as we have had at point this season. While people can agree or disagree all day whether this is a good thing, with 5 games left there isn't a lot of chance for our draft slot to change much anymore.

[celticsclay]

Wade injured himself during last night game.
Well, I got excited at first because I thought a player injured him, but not even.
Why I don't feel any compassion what so ever for this guy.
Reminds me what Tommy said (shout) about Wade the other day : "He's a THUG"
That makes me laugh...

Is anyone actually surprised by this? Miami has been extremely stupid with how they have managed their players over the last month since Dragic went down.

At best they were going to get a first round matchup with Atlanta or Cleveland with no Bosh. For a team like us with almost no playoff experience, this can be a good thing. For a team that has had the majority of their team in the last 4 finals, a sweep and more wear and tear on wade it is not (adding insult to injury) making the playoffs cost them a top 10 pick.

Although there is reportedly no "structural damage to the knee" do they really want to lose him for all of next year when they would presumably have bosh, whiteside, dragic and him and for next year (plus mcroberts, a top ten pick and potential free agents)?

And with all that we have our little 10 TP bet going on...

Are you still optimistic about that?

Uh, yeah. Very.


Remaining schedule...

Pistons
Pacers
H- Hornets
H- Bulls
H- Raptors
H- Magic
76ers

Win the tiebreaker vs Boston or Brooklyn.

The writer for the Miami Herald doesn't share your optimism

With Wade hurt again, this now truly feels like a season on the brink for a team that has advanced to the NBA Finals for four consecutive seasons but now might miss out of the playoffs completely.

The Heat has lost five of its last seven games and now travels to Detroit with Wade hurting, Hassan Whiteside injured, Luol Deng gimpy, Udonis Haslem sick, Chris Andersen less than healthy, Michael Beasley in pain and Chris Bosh, Josh McRoberts and Shabazz Napier either watching from the bench in suits or back in Miami recovering from surgery. The loss to the Cavaliers dropped the Heat (34-41) into a tie with the Boston Celtics for eighth in the Eastern Conference standings. The Charlotte Hornets are one back in the loss column.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article17270891.html#storylink=cpy

Who's entirely healthy at this time of the year? Wade is questionable for Detroit so even if he's out it's reasonable to think he'll be back soon. Deng, Whiteside, Haslem, and Bird are all playing. Napier was stuck on the bench and getting DNPCD's. McRoberts didn't contribute all year. Bosh has been out for a while now and record wise they didn't suffer.

The fact I think they'll make it has less to do with them, but more of an indictment of the teams they're battling it out for. That said, their top 4 guys (Dragic, Wade, Whiteside, Deng) are pretty good.

By comparison the Celtics are pretty healthy and just got a really unexpected boost in Sullinger being available for a few minutes. If you don't think the Heat are unusual banged up when they have multiple starters battling knees injuries and their own beat writer is commenting on it, I don't really know what to tell you. Every team battling the Heat is significantly healthier than they are.

You could say they're healthy, but if you want to be pessimistic, like the Heat writer (who I've never heard of before) then you could say Sullinger is dealing with a stress fracture and weight issues, Thomas has a bone bruise to his tailbone, and Olynyk has a laceration to his eye. I mean you're mentioning Whiteside, who is playing with a laceration to his hand, so it's all relative.

Does the heat writer really seem pessimistic still after Deng, Anderson and Whiteside missed the game yesterday and Deng may be out for the season. For a laugh go to rotoworld.com, the front page of the NBA section lists 9 heat players and their status for Tuesday's games. I play daily fantasy sometimes and that is the most I have ever seen for one team. While many of them are probable, you can't say this is not a crazy banged up team.