Minor Bass trade idea

[kozlodoev]

Bass for Nick Collison, Perry Jones, Andre Roberson, future lotto protected 1rst

Either of Nick Collison and the lottery-protected first is alone more value than Brandon Bass, and you want to tack them together, and add PJ3 on top? LOL.

I dont think Nick Collison is more valuable than Bass... But i do agree that getting a first rounder for Bass isnt happening... But Bass for Nick Collison and PJ3 is only slightly lopsided in our favor..

Oops, I didn't realize Collison is 33 already. It seems it wasn't that long ago that I remember him getting drafted ...

[paulball2007]

Only way Bass is traded is if it doesn't jeopardize future financial flexibility or the C's get a young, up and coming player in return.  The only way the C's take on long term commitments is if it's for guys like Klove or other stars to pair with Rondo.  If that ship has sailed then it's about cutting payroll and keeping financial flexibility.  If Rondo is traded then next year is just another bridge year with a high draft pick.  After next season the contracts of Green (if he opts in) and Wallace become big expiring assets.  I really think that it was more about getting to the 2015-2016 season and beyond to build a championship caliber team going forward.  After next season the salary commitments really shrink, especially if Rondo is traded.  I think the team wanted fireworks but no one wanted to light the spark for the C's.  I think we can expect another development year and hope the lottery plays in our favor this time.

[slamtheking]

(1) Bass to OKC

I think this is a good idea for Oklahoma. Bass gives OKC some extra bench offense. Right now Ibaka is their only jump-shooting big which leaves their spacing vulnerable whenever he is on bench. Bass solves that. Bass capable of playing PF alongside big bodied centers like Perk or Adams and also capable of playing PF alongside Ibaka at C in speed lineup. Gives OKC improved offense and lineup flexibility.

Oklahoma are very fond of Nick Collison though and with good reason. He is a very good defensive PF and very capable backup center. Smart team defender. Good passer. High BBIQ. Really good teammate. Been with the team a long time. Well respected in locker room. OKC have been loyal to many key players. So unsure whether they do this but it's definitely worth consideration on their part. Good trade idea.

They won't give up the draft pick though. I think a Collison for Bass swap by itself is fairly even. By the time you throw in a few cap fillers (like Perry Jones), I reckon that's it. All Ainge can get out of OKC.

(2) Bass to Pacers

I think this is a very good home for Indiana and for Bass. The Pacers had a lot of trouble matching up with teams that had big men who could step out on the perimeter and some trouble with teams like Miami who went small on them. Bass is a big improvement over Luis Scola in those areas.

I would think the trade would need to be changed to Scola + filler for Bass. They couldn't afford both Scola and Bass. The Pacers also have a payroll situation going on. A contract extension for Lance Stephenson could put them up against the luxury tax so their willingness to take on an extra mil or two for Bass could be effected by that. Boston might have to eat Chris Copeland's contract ($3mil) to make a Bass deal happen while allowing Indy to avoid luxury tax -- but if Ainge did that then Ainge could surely get a first round draft pick out of Indiana for his troubles. Fair chance at late first without Copeland too. Certainty with Copeland.

Strong possibility for Bass trade here.

TP Who -- well thought out response and a much more realistic scenario.

as much as Bass gets beat on here, he could definitely help a contending team off the bench.  the question is can we find a trading partner that can send us back something of value.  What I would consider value for Bass is a either a serviceable center or young, unproven player or an expiring contract of a non-productive player and a future 1st.

[Gainesville Celtic]

I wonder if DET with SVG in charge wouldn't be another landing spot.

Bass was in his doghouse at the end of the 2011 season, but enjoyed his breakout and best seasons statistically under Stan Van, and VG i think saw Bass' hustle.

[Eja117]

Bass for Nick Collison, Perry Jones, Andre Roberson, future lotto protected 1rst

Either of Nick Collison and the lottery-protected first is alone more value than Brandon Bass, and you want to tack them together, and add PJ3 on top? LOL.

I think generally Bass has tended to have a better career (at least offensively) than Nick C and PJ3 has done absolutely nothing in this league.
I think a future protected first wouldn't be so much to pay for an upgrade.

OKC doesn't do much with their late firsts anyway. Craig Brackins anyone?

Maybe they could/would send us rights to some euro stashes too

[Endless Paradise]

OKC picked up Reggie Jackson and Ibaka with late firsts.  They absolutely value their first round draft picks.

Either way, the fact that Bass may have had a better career than Collison and Jones doesn't really address that he's essentially duplicating what Ibaka does on offense to a lesser degree (since Ibaka has started to stretch his range out to the 3 point line) without the defensive, rim-protecting impact.  OKC's not going to surrender much for Bass.  He doesn't make them better to any considerable degree, seeing as what he has over Collison in pure scoring ability, he lacks in playmaking and passing.

You want to talk about upgrading their starting center or getting a good starting shooting guard?  Sure.  Inconsistent bench play was an issue, but Bass isn't the guy worth that package for OKC.

[Eja117]

To me getting back a pretty useless Nick C and a pretty underwhelming PJ3 is just not enough incentive to help another team.

If Nick C were so great they wouldn't keep drafting bigs but they have drafted about 4-5 bigs or sorta bigs in a row now.

If we solve their problem they have to pay something for it

[Endless Paradise]

You're not solving their problem.  Brandon Bass isn't the guy taking them over the top.

[RRNoLookPass]

I don't see them giving up Collison And a future first for Bass. OKC really likes Collison, and he has the size to play backup center, which Bass really doesn't. Bass' defense is certainly very underrated by some people, and OKC could definitely use him when Ibaka is injured like what happened in the playoffs this yr, but I don't think they want to sacrifice their only decent backup center without a surefire replacement.

[Who]

OKC really likes Collison, and he has the size to play backup center, which Bass really doesn't. Bass' defense is certainly very underrated by some people, and OKC could definitely use him when Ibaka is injured like what happened in the playoffs this yr, but I don't think they want to sacrifice their only decent backup center without a surefire replacement.

I think Ibaka's capacity to play center is much improved from earlier years. He is stronger physically and smarter in his team defense. Ibaka has been much more effective at center in last two years vs previously. I don't think they need Collison's ability to play backup center because of Ibaka's growth along with Perk and Adams. Having a PF with an offensive game is more valuable in balancing that big man rotation than another undersized center / defensive PF in my opinion.