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Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2014, 01:01:09 AM »

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I do not think Danny Ainge thought we would be contending in just to years. Our rebuild is at least 3. Jeff Green was suppose to break out and take over PP shoes in some way.....he didn't , he actually did worse than the previous year. That was a big setback.

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2014, 01:07:41 AM »

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looks like a lot of Cs fans are ready to move on from Rondo. They really think we should usher in Smart, and just move on.

Last season there was a lot of talk about Stevens and Rondo collaborating we do not hear that talk anymore. Could it be that the Cs have decided to move on.

A lot, in my opinion will depend on whether the Cs get Love. How much energy went into that anyway? The hanging out with the Patriots, the tweet from Papi, the meeting with Rondo at the Sox game. Did Love sucker all these people?

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2014, 01:20:49 AM »

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It's a plan with several options that depend on what deals are available and who the Celtics are able to draft.  It's flexible enough that if a superstar becomes available, the Celtics can make a competitive offer, with enough hope for the future that there is no pressing urge to make a bad deal in an attempt to shave a few years off the process.

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Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2014, 01:34:47 AM »

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If we are gonna trade Rondo, it should be for our future center. It is not gonna be saunders from the bucks because dude smokes a lot of pot and can slack off. We should trade Rondo to Minnesota for  Gorgui Dieng,Very promising defensive center ( nearly rookie of the year) and two first rounders. Flip does this because he is desperate to keep Love and needs any stars he can get.Most likely, Rondo and LOve both leave after a year and maybe we can get one or two of them back next year in free agency.

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Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2014, 07:39:17 AM »

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I have some major questions with the idea that the Cs are going to use Rondo and cap space to bring in FAs in 2015 and make this a 2 year rebuild.

1.  Who comes in 2015? The top members of that group will be Leonard, Love, Aldridge, Rondo, M Gasol, Thompson, A Jefferson,Gay, Hibbard, D Jordan, and a few im prob missing. Who out of this list is likely to stay with their current team? Out of the players left who are the Cs targets.

2. Can the players assembled in the above list beat the Heat if they reconstruct the team the way it looks this offseason. James, Bosh, Wade and a fourth piece Lowery?

3. With Rondo currently 28 and James 29 with DA ever be able to put enough talent around Rondo for the Cs to over take James in the ECF?

4. Are the Cs better off rebuilding around under 24 yr olds and developing a team for when Lebron is out of his prime (currently 29 so figure 3 years he will start falling out of his prime).

5. If 2015 FA is the team plan then why where they not more active in some one sided deals this month? Afflalo was traded for a bargain price, Asik for a protected first. Why no get in on both those deals and retain their bird rights for next off-season? 


I hate to be negative and I have total faith in Danny Ainge as a GM but I don't think a Rondo lead team is getting the Cs back to championship contention. I think its going to take some educated draft day luck and stevens ability to develop players. I think DA is off to a great start with Smart and Young. If AB can resign and get healthy that is a very promising 3 guard rotation. Add to that the offensive talents that Sully and KO have displayed and I think the Cs are moving in the right direction.

My #1 goal of this off-season would be to add a young SF with an all-star ceiling. Even at the expense of trading Rondo, Green, Bass and some other long term assets (future 1st). Parsons, Hayward or Barnes would be on top list as options. MKG and Porter would be on my second tier of options.

My #2 goal would be to add a center so as to not hinder the development of Sully and KO. I think the 2015 draft will have a strong crop and I would hold out on trying to find a long term answer with hopes of getting a stud in the draft. I personally like the idea of defensive center by committee with a combo of Biyombo ( who is likely 100% out of bobcats rotation) and one of the following Steimsma, Aldrich, Thabeet. Add to that some minutes for Fav. After giving KO and Sully 30min each the center by committee would split 36min depending who stevens is having better luck with.     
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Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2014, 08:53:38 AM »

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t might be better to go into hibernation and wait until Lebron is an old man to come out of our cave, buy personally I would rather be the team that takes him down and ends the Heats run much like we did to Lebrons Cavs.

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2014, 10:50:35 AM »

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As far as I can remember, when we traded KG and PP, everyone looked to the summer of 2015 and was in agreement that this was likely a 2 year rebuild, in hopes to bring in talent to go with resigning Rondo. Everyone was on board from the owners to it's star player to the fans to the media. 

It wasn't until the fireworks comment and Love's visit did we all start thinking this could be a 1 year deal. 

Now that Love didnt pan out it seems like it's not a 1 year and everyone is saying "No Love = Trade Rondo".

Well, what happened to that original plan we had where Rondo resigns with us and brings another star with him in 2015 when his contract is up and half the league is a free agent.

It's like we all forgot that was an option after this Love thing didn't pan out we all kinda got angry about it and want to take our anger out by trading Rondo NOW and not being patient like I thought we all originally intended.

Also, next year if we are still rebuilding... doesn't it make sense to keep Rondo if only because he's going to create about 10-15 open looks a game for the players you are trying showcase and increase the trade value of.  He's the perfect PG to have on your team when rebuilding.  In the 2nd half of last year when Rondo got back on the court the scoring of Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradley, Green and Bass all went UP.

We need Rondo next year to help us improve the value of our players... and to give us a realistic chance in 2015 at creating a contender, lets not shoot ourselves in the foot by just trading him away.. Remember he's not Howard or even Love, he's not asking for a trade.. he's repeatedly saying he wants to resign.

We are halfway through the 2-year rebuild plan that Danny set in motion last summer. Lets not give up on it now.
preaching to the choir brother.  been saying the summer/offseason to watch for is 2015.  too many things start to fall into place that offseason.  Bass and Anthony are off the books.  Green (if he opts in) and Wallace are expiring deals that would make good salaries to match in a deal for an all-star.  We will have picked up at least one more top prospect with our own lottery pick in 2015 (and who knows what happens with the Clips pick).  Sully, KO, Smart and Young will have had a year of development to either show they're building blocks or trade pieces.  Rondo is off the books and with good cap management, his resigning can be manipulated to have the lowest cap impact either by resigning to a lower amount quickly or if signing him to a higher amount (99% likely IMO) let the lower cap hold sit against the cap.

I'm ok with the C's biding their time for another year.  If there's no signs of significant improvement next offseason I'll be a lot more concerned about the direction of the franchise

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2014, 10:52:05 AM »

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As far as I can remember, when we traded KG and PP, everyone looked to the summer of 2015 and was in agreement that this was likely a 2 year rebuild, in hopes to bring in talent to go with resigning Rondo. Everyone was on board from the owners to it's star player to the fans to the media. 

It wasn't until the fireworks comment and Love's visit did we all start thinking this could be a 1 year deal. 

Now that Love didnt pan out it seems like it's not a 1 year and everyone is saying "No Love = Trade Rondo".

Well, what happened to that original plan we had where Rondo resigns with us and brings another star with him in 2015 when his contract is up and half the league is a free agent.

It's like we all forgot that was an option after this Love thing didn't pan out we all kinda got angry about it and want to take our anger out by trading Rondo NOW and not being patient like I thought we all originally intended.

Also, next year if we are still rebuilding... doesn't it make sense to keep Rondo if only because he's going to create about 10-15 open looks a game for the players you are trying showcase and increase the trade value of.  He's the perfect PG to have on your team when rebuilding.  In the 2nd half of last year when Rondo got back on the court the scoring of Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradley, Green and Bass all went UP.

We need Rondo next year to help us improve the value of our players... and to give us a realistic chance in 2015 at creating a contender, lets not shoot ourselves in the foot by just trading him away.. Remember he's not Howard or even Love, he's not asking for a trade.. he's repeatedly saying he wants to resign.

We are halfway through the 2-year rebuild plan that Danny set in motion last summer. Lets not give up on it now.
preaching to the choir brother.  been saying the summer/offseason to watch for is 2015.  too many things start to fall into place that offseason.  Bass and Anthony are off the books.  Green (if he opts in) and Wallace are expiring deals that would make good salaries to match in a deal for an all-star.  We will have picked up at least one more top prospect with our own lottery pick in 2015 (and who knows what happens with the Clips pick).  Sully, KO, Smart and Young will have had a year of development to either show they're building blocks or trade pieces.  Rondo is off the books and with good cap management, his resigning can be manipulated to have the lowest cap impact either by resigning to a lower amount quickly or if signing him to a higher amount (99% likely IMO) let the lower cap hold sit against the cap.

I'm ok with the C's biding their time for another year.  If there's no signs of significant improvement next offseason I'll be a lot more concerned about the direction of the franchise

there are many impatient fans in Boston.

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2014, 11:12:51 AM »

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I have some major questions with the idea that the Cs are going to use Rondo and cap space to bring in FAs in 2015 and make this a 2 year rebuild.
questions are good -- shouldn't be expected to take it on blind faith

1.  Who comes in 2015? The top members of that group will be Leonard, Love, Aldridge, Rondo, M Gasol, Thompson, A Jefferson,Gay, Hibbard, D Jordan, and a few im prob missing. Who out of this list is likely to stay with their current team? Out of the players left who are the Cs targets.
valid point -- it's one thing to say "we'll get a top FA".  it's another to actually figure out WHO we could get.  I'm of the opinion that Rondo can be kept.  Depending on the draft next year, I'd probably target Gasol because he fills a need more than the others and might be willing to move on from Memphis.

2. Can the players assembled in the above list beat the Heat if they reconstruct the team the way it looks this offseason. James, Bosh, Wade and a fourth piece Lowery?
yes, very much so.  Miami's been to the finals the past 4 straight years but without a Spurs collapse and Ray's miracle shot last year, they'd have just one ring to show for their collusion.  Teams will lesser star talent but with better cohesion have shown that Lebron can indeed be beaten with his 'super friends'.

3. With Rondo currently 28 and James 29 with DA ever be able to put enough talent around Rondo for the Cs to over take James in the ECF?
same answer as above.  any doubts -- look back on how the C's fared against Miami in the playoffs with an aging Ray, PP and KG as well as the multitude of injuries the C's had to endure.  Put some really good players with Rondo that are healthy and I think Bron can be sent packing before he gets to the Finals

4. Are the Cs better off rebuilding around under 24 yr olds and developing a team for when Lebron is out of his prime (currently 29 so figure 3 years he will start falling out of his prime).
it's certainly an option to throw in the towel without trying but I'm not sold on that being the best option.  Bron had to carry the major workload for that team this year and Wade is fading quickly.  Bosh is a good player but disappeared in the finals.  that team can be taken down now as the Spurs showed.

5. If 2015 FA is the team plan then why where they not more active in some one sided deals this month? Afflalo was traded for a bargain price, Asik for a protected first. Why no get in on both those deals and retain their bird rights for next off-season? 
good question.  I think it's because that retaining their rights impacts the cap and the ability to sign other FAs.  Afflalo and Asik are nice complimentary pieces to have if they're in support roles.  I think the idea is to get the big-time player on the team first and then fill in around that player.

I hate to be negative and I have total faith in Danny Ainge as a GM but I don't think a Rondo lead team is getting the Cs back to championship contention. I think its going to take some educated draft day luck and stevens ability to develop players. I think DA is off to a great start with Smart and Young. If AB can resign and get healthy that is a very promising 3 guard rotation. Add to that the offensive talents that Sully and KO have displayed and I think the Cs are moving in the right direction.
agree the team is moving in the right direction.  I think Rondo can lead a team to a title in the sense that he can bring the fire (in the playoffs only -- have to see him get fired up in the regular season this time around) but he definitely needs to be paired with at least one player who's better than him -- certainly one that can be a clutch scorer.

My #1 goal of this off-season would be to add a young SF with an all-star ceiling. Even at the expense of trading Rondo, Green, Bass and some other long term assets (future 1st). Parsons, Hayward or Barnes would be on top list as options. MKG and Porter would be on my second tier of options.
disagree on this.  any kind of all-star would be helpful but I question where that would get us.  in the lottery most likely and with a mid-lottery pick at best.  I'm not advocating tanking by any means but I question why add a player at this time that will have a questionable impact on the direction of the team.  As for who you're suggesting would fit your all-star potential criteria -- those 3 guys aren't it.  They may end up being average SFs in this league.  they're not even at Jeff Green's level yet and I truly doubt any of them would surpass him.  I'm no fan of Green but I recognize he's pretty much an average SF in this league

My #2 goal would be to add a center so as to not hinder the development of Sully and KO. I think the 2015 draft will have a strong crop and I would hold out on trying to find a long term answer with hopes of getting a stud in the draft. I personally like the idea of defensive center by committee with a combo of Biyombo ( who is likely 100% out of bobcats rotation) and one of the following Steimsma, Aldrich, Thabeet. Add to that some minutes for Fav. After giving KO and Sully 30min each the center by committee would split 36min depending who stevens is having better luck with.     
agree - need a center.  The options you proposed would be end of the bench guys on a decent roster.  would hopefully be able to do a little better -- someone who's at least the quality of a solid back up center on a good roster.  I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Emeka Okafor for a year or maybe Greg Oden if he checks out healthy and can last the year.  main goal is to keep Sully and KO from having to play major minutes at Center.

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2014, 11:16:14 AM »

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As far as I can remember, when we traded KG and PP, everyone looked to the summer of 2015 and was in agreement that this was likely a 2 year rebuild, in hopes to bring in talent to go with resigning Rondo. Everyone was on board from the owners to it's star player to the fans to the media. 

It wasn't until the fireworks comment and Love's visit did we all start thinking this could be a 1 year deal. 

Now that Love didnt pan out it seems like it's not a 1 year and everyone is saying "No Love = Trade Rondo".

Well, what happened to that original plan we had where Rondo resigns with us and brings another star with him in 2015 when his contract is up and half the league is a free agent.

It's like we all forgot that was an option after this Love thing didn't pan out we all kinda got angry about it and want to take our anger out by trading Rondo NOW and not being patient like I thought we all originally intended.

Also, next year if we are still rebuilding... doesn't it make sense to keep Rondo if only because he's going to create about 10-15 open looks a game for the players you are trying showcase and increase the trade value of.  He's the perfect PG to have on your team when rebuilding.  In the 2nd half of last year when Rondo got back on the court the scoring of Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradley, Green and Bass all went UP.

We need Rondo next year to help us improve the value of our players... and to give us a realistic chance in 2015 at creating a contender, lets not shoot ourselves in the foot by just trading him away.. Remember he's not Howard or even Love, he's not asking for a trade.. he's repeatedly saying he wants to resign.

We are halfway through the 2-year rebuild plan that Danny set in motion last summer. Lets not give up on it now.
preaching to the choir brother.  been saying the summer/offseason to watch for is 2015.  too many things start to fall into place that offseason.  Bass and Anthony are off the books.  Green (if he opts in) and Wallace are expiring deals that would make good salaries to match in a deal for an all-star.  We will have picked up at least one more top prospect with our own lottery pick in 2015 (and who knows what happens with the Clips pick).  Sully, KO, Smart and Young will have had a year of development to either show they're building blocks or trade pieces.  Rondo is off the books and with good cap management, his resigning can be manipulated to have the lowest cap impact either by resigning to a lower amount quickly or if signing him to a higher amount (99% likely IMO) let the lower cap hold sit against the cap.

I'm ok with the C's biding their time for another year.  If there's no signs of significant improvement next offseason I'll be a lot more concerned about the direction of the franchise

there are many impatient fans in Boston.
yup.  many think another title is just as simple as Danny snapping his fingers to get the players they want that they think will get us that title. 

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2014, 11:24:22 AM »

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Smart makes Rondo redundant.

It is best to trade Rondo for a young big while he still has value.

Are you a real human or simply a robot that basically posts the same thing in every thread here? Since you tell us all that Rondo stinks, why would anyone trade anything for him?

As far as the rebuild goes, I think we are looking at 3-5 years before a true, contending team lives in Boston.

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2014, 11:32:34 AM »

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Ainge will probably never get what he wants for Rondo.  Not because of the injury or that he hasn't been a good leader or anything like that.  But because there are so many good point guards right now, probably more than ever.  If Rondo's cost is too high, teams will look elsewhere for a point guard.

Re: The 2-year rebuild and Rondo
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2014, 06:14:54 PM »

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A number of poster predicted a 3-5 year rebuild to return to contention, though hopefully the celtics are on the upswing after two years and see light at the end of a rather short tunnel.

As for rondo, I hope you are correct. He does often make passes that allows others to score better\easier.

But I confess to you my brothers and sisters that by my own grevious fault I have doubts as to whether rondo's skill set works best with this crew. I honestly don't know.

But I do know that over the past two seasons, pre and post injury, rondo has not added wins to the celtics. Indeed, prior to his injury two years ago the team was below .500 with rondo and had a better record without him.

Nonetheless, I applaud your optimism and hope you are correct.

correct. I was one who predicted a 3 to 5 year rebuild. still beats 20 plus years of darkness.
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