Why I doubt the Timberolves are really considering a Golden State trade for Love

[Waew]

danny can identify the bluffs which is what austin referred to.

[chambers]

The warriors have to make this deal as they cant afford to keep thompson and lee. Then curry has to resigned

This way you just worry about loves next deal. Better for a balanced lineup also

If the wolves take the celts offer they will start another long rebuild. That means trade pek, rubio and likely not get the 1:1 value back

The celts package to me is the wolves last resort and they will only take such a deal by the last hours of the 2015 trade deadline.

Rubio sucks. They wouldn't need to trade him. Pekovic is okay but he's injured half his career.
They aren't making the playoffs in the Western conference with
Rubio,Klay,Shabazz,Lee, Pekovic  and Dieng.

That team doesn't have any stars.Terrible shooting team.Terrible defensive team.
Just stay mediocre for 3 or 4 years until they have to tank.

They need to bite the bullet and accept if they want a winning basketball team and a championship contender, they need to build properly.
They don't have any stars now. Rubio is a popular NBA starter but he'll never be a star. You don't make the playoffs in the West for the next few years with David Lee and Rubio as your best two players.

[crimson_stallion]

I disagree with the OP.

David Lee has been a career double double guy who (aside from a lack of three point shot) is basically a poor man's Kevin love.   Thompson may not be much more than Martin, but he's also still quite young...which Martin is not.

If Minny wants established players (rather than wanting to take a risk on the unknown) then these two players are more valuable than any of the young assets Boston is likely to offer (Sully, Olynyk, Green?) and more valuable than any of the Celtics furure picks,  because for all they know Boston could dramatically improve this season (especially if they are getting Love) and make the playoffs,  ensuring those picks have modest value

Of your looking for maximum rebuilding potential the Boston assets are great,  but If  you want known entities with confirmed value then Boston can't offer much outside of maybe Green,  Bradley and Rondo...and I don't think either of those guys is in the conversation right now.

[LooseCannon]

I've been saying this for a while. Minn. would be a bunch of idiots not to take our deal, they'll look even worse if they accept someone elses offer so they can shoot for the 8 seed and fall short, and they end up in a worse spot than they are now in 2 yr's.

I've yet to see anyone give a convincing argument that Minnesota is not a bunch of idiots.

[317]

I've been saying this for a while. Minn. would be a bunch of idiots not to take our deal, they'll look even worse if they accept someone elses offer so they can shoot for the 8 seed and fall short, and they end up in a worse spot than they are now in 2 yr's.

I've yet to see anyone give a convincing argument that Minnesota is not a bunch of idiots.

TP for you

[knuckleballer]

I've been saying this for a while. Minn. would be a bunch of idiots not to take our deal, they'll look even worse if they accept someone elses offer so they can shoot for the 8 seed and fall short, and they end up in a worse spot than they are now in 2 yr's.

I've yet to see anyone give a convincing argument that Minnesota is not a bunch of idiots.

Really?  You think signing a mediocre Joe Smith illegally losing 5 first round picks was idiotic?  Certainly, drafting Flynn and Rubio over Curry was smart. 

[kraidstar]

I disagree with the OP.

David Lee has been a career double double guy who (aside from a lack of three point shot) is basically a poor man's Kevin love.   Thompson may not be much more than Martin, but he's also still quite young...which Martin is not.

minnesota finished the season 9 games behind the 8-seed in the west. adding an old, poor-man's love (lee) and a young, slightly rich-man's martin (thompson) are not the answers to the wolves' problems. this trade would be an epic disaster for the wolves.

[kraidstar]

I've been saying this for a while. Minn. would be a bunch of idiots not to take our deal, they'll look even worse if they accept someone elses offer so they can shoot for the 8 seed and fall short, and they end up in a worse spot than they are now in 2 yr's.

I've yet to see anyone give a convincing argument that Minnesota is not a bunch of idiots.

Really?  You think signing a mediocre Joe Smith illegally losing 5 first round picks was idiotic?  Certainly, drafting Flynn and Rubio over Curry was smart. 

actually, stern reduced their sentence and they only ended up giving up three of those picks. but still, that's brutal. for joe freaking smith. no wonder KG was angry about having no help around him.

[loco_91]

I think the potential of this happening has been blown out of the water.
Realistically, Flip Saunders is too smart to give up a potential rebuilding deal from the Celtics for a Golden State package of Klay Thompson and David Lee.(Or Barnes too).

By seeing these reports, I actually think that Danny hasn't offered anything decent to Golden State yet, and Flip is trying to put as much crap out there as he can to wedge some more stuff out of the Celtics.

Keep in mind a Celtics package means the Wolves own 2015 pick comes back to them from Phoenix as a likely top 5 pick in 2015. (they traded their own 2015 pick to the Suns but it's top 12 protected).

Klay Thompson. Why wouldn't Flip want Klay? He's Curry's wingman. He's a great three point shooter. He's about to turn 25 years old. His defense has gotten better this season.

Okay...
Lets compare Klay Thompson to Kevin Martin, who the Wolves currently have.

2014 NBA season:

Klay's    PER  14.3
K Mart's PER  16.3

Klay 3 point shooting     41.7 %
K Mart 3 point shooting  38.7%

Klay Offensive rating 108
Klay Defensive rating 106

K Mart Offensive rating 110
K Mart Defensive rating 109

Thompson's team mates Iguadala and Bogut are going to sway team defense in Klay's favor, although I do agree Klay is a good defender. Not spectacular, but good.

Thompson's problem is that he doesn't dribble penetrate, and that's his major downfall and why he'll unlikely be anything more than Kevin Martin with better defense but less dribble penetration.
He attempts 2 free throws a game.

Warriors should trade him now while his value is high. He's over rated because he's played next to Curry on offense and next to Iggy and Bogut on defense.
A team like Minny with a horrid shooting point guard will mean Thompson's 3 point shooting gets iced statistically- teams will flood Thompson, whereas they can't do that vs GSW because of Curry's shooting ability.

It makes me laugh seeing reports of 'posturing' from the Warriors to include Klay because it's the perfect time for GWS to unload Thompson before he demands $10 million+ and they
a) can't afford it with Curry, Iggy, Bogut and hopefully an opted in Love.
b)already realize he's not worth that much as a 3 point shooter and above average defender.(strong role player)
c) they get Kevin Love in return.

I seriously doubt that the Wolves would be considering Klay Thompson as the centrepiece of a deal. They get Barnes too? Wow! Does everyone know Barnes stinks? Thompson's a solid role player like Kevin Martin but that's all he is.

Flip Saunders and Glen Taylor basically can't make the Wolves a playoff team. They don't have the assets. Their two options to make them a playoff team are:
Option 1) Keep Love and put better players around him.
Option 2) blow it up and build correctly around Rubio and Dieng. I would dump Rubio in a rebuild because he sucks too, but that's not as important because they'll need to fill salary somewhere.

We all know that option 1 above is not happening.

If people think that a team of

Rubio
Klay Thompson
Shabazz Muhammed
David Lee
Pekovic.

with Dieng and a few mid first rounders off the bench,

is even sniffing the playoffs, you're delusional.

That team wins...maybe 35 games? Gets the Wolves a nice top 12 pick next year though- but nothing good enough to trade to other teams for a star like a top 5 pick would get you.
And then you decide if you want to overpay Klay to stay after his 12 month holiday in Minny.

At that point there will be an overpaid Klay, an overpaid Rubio, an overpaid (expiring) Lee and Pekovic.
Hopefully Shabazz becomes a good player, hopefully Dieng does the same.

And on and on the mediocrity bus continues on its way through Minnesota, while Minny fans wish they had some assets or could make a trade for a star somehow...coming to the conclusion that it's time to blow it up and collect assets in 2019- something they should have done in 2014. I don't care if they haven't made the playoffs for x amount of years.
They won't make the playoffs anyway. Not with the Bulls package, not with the Warriors package. The only way they make the playoffs is by building from the ground up.

100% agree. If they want contributors now, why don't we offer KO, Sully and Green? I don't think Klay is really worth more than  KO + Sully combined.