Love-less rebuild ideas

[joepatsfan]

Two categories:

Keep Rondo:
1. Trade for Carmelo (S&T)
2. Trade for Josh Smith
3. Trade for Asik
4. Trade for Perk

Obviously not all of these but they're options. I'd prefer going after Smith and Asik and hopefully keep Sully in those deals.... Rondo, Bradley, Smith, Sully, Asik isn't bad.

Trade Rondo:
1. Don't F up the draft.
2. Check Embiid's medicals long and hard if he falls.
3. Package the picks for studs... ?
4. Don't F up the draft. I don't care who DA takes he better turn into something if he's a lotto pick


But, obviously, my first choice, get freakin KLove and start something big

[Future Celtics Owner]

Draft Embiid at 6

Draft Kyle Anderson at 17

re-sign Bradley and Bayless

Keep future picks and have another big draft next year.

What about Rondo?  I doubt he stays in this scenario.

Yeah, and now would be the time to deal him. It's really hard to find a good trade partner for him. At first I included trading Rondo to Sac for #8, and taking Aaron Gordon.

In which case we could draft best PG available at 17.

Unless we trade Rondo to the Lakers for #7 and draft Smart.

i know you guys are high on Gordon. I can respect that. I am high on Randle Vonleh and Smart. If any of them drop I would trade for them...even if we give up Sully. I think Randle is actually a big upgrade on Sully. Am I the only one who thinks this?

[joepatsfan]

Unless we trade Rondo to the Lakers for #7 and draft Smart.

i know you guys are high on Gordon. I can respect that. I am high on Randle Vonleh and Smart. If any of them drop I would trade for them...even if we give up Sully. I think Randle is actually a big upgrade on Sully. Am I the only one who thinks this?
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Yes you are. Randle has no shot outside the paint, has only a left hand and when it's in his right hand he has one move, a spin, to get it to the left side and he's undersized but small. Sully at least has the biggest ass I've seen to box out.

If I was 6'9 I could defend this kid I swear. Absolutely shade him to the right corner and force him to dribble with the right and wait until he makes that dumb spin back to the left and swipe it.

Randle, at best, is a 18-9 player in the NBA, Sully's ceiling could be 20/10. Likely scenario is 14-7 for Randle and 16-9 for Sully.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Unless we trade Rondo to the Lakers for #7 and draft Smart.

i know you guys are high on Gordon. I can respect that. I am high on Randle Vonleh and Smart. If any of them drop I would trade for them...even if we give up Sully. I think Randle is actually a big upgrade on Sully. Am I the only one who thinks this?

Yes you are. Randle has no shot outside the paint, has only a left hand and when it's in his right hand he has one move, a spin, to get it to the left side and he's undersized but small. Sully at least has the biggest ass I've seen to box out.

If I was 6'9 I could defend this kid I swear. Absolutely shade him to the right corner and force him to dribble with the right and wait until he makes that dumb spin back to the left and swipe it.

Randle, at best, is a 18-9 player in the NBA, Sully's ceiling could be 20/10. Likely scenario is 14-7 for Randle and 16-9 for Sully.
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Randle did what he was told to by Calipari, to beast and dominate inside until some stops you, no one stopped him so he just kept doing it all the way to the finals. The zbo comparisons did not come from nowhere. He shot great in hs, he just tweaked his game for the sake of the team. And he did pretty well.

Yes you are. Randle has no shot outside the paint

This is easily proven false. Its ok a lot of people think that as well. Randle attempted the same amount of free throws as Sully (7.3 about) 1st year in college and shot a better percentage......not by much but better. (look it up)

If Sully is so much better as a shooter and Randle can't hit a shot outside the paint then Sully should not have had a worse free throw.

[joepatsfan]

This is easily proven false. Its ok a lot of people think that as well. Randle attempted the same amount of free throws as Sully (7.3 about) 1st year in college and shot a better percentage......not by much but better. (look it up)

If Sully is so much better as a shooter and Randle can't hit a shot outside the paint then Sully should not have had a worse free throw.
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They shoot 70.6 (randle) and 70.4 (sully) from the line freshman year... Sully then shot 76.8% his sophomore year...  Free throws don't mean much to aren't guarded. But Sullinger also shot 74% and 77% in the NBA from the line, so no real comparison there. Sully is now an 80% foul shooter. Randle missed a ton of FTs in the title game.

Julius Randle can not pick and pop as well as Sully and couldn't shoot off the dribble either. Never mind stretching the floor and hitting NBA 3's too.

Randle's upside is no more, if not less, than Sullinger's.

[smokeablount]

If we aren't building around Love who else would you like to see the C's try and acquire? Get creative and have fun!

Here's my idea:

Trade 1
Green and Bogans to Detroit for Smith and #38 2014

Boston gets Rondo's buddy.

Detroit frees themselves of Smith at the expense of the #38 pick and gets Green who fits better with Monroe/Drummond.

Trade 2
Bass, Anthony, Sullinger, Wallace, #17 2014, Clippers 2015, and Philly 2015 to Knicks for Carmelo (s&t)

The second deal isn't realistic, but the first deal of Green and Bogans for Smith (I doubt they throw in a pick, we might have to) is intriguing, whether we get Love or not.

If we get Love and still have JG/KB, those aren't the guys Houston wants for Asik. They want all cap relief for free agency pursuits. But Green should mesh better with Monroe and Drummond in Detroit, and Smith seems definitively like the guy they want to trade even though he has the lowest value.

If they did this trade we'd get the best player in the deal and a guy who is a rim protector, albeit not a 7 footer, who could also keep Rondo in Boston.  A Love/Rondo/Smith big 3 plus some support would be a second round playoff team in the East. 

If we don't get Love, dealing Green and Bogans for Josh Smith would put us in a position to make a Love-like run at Carmelo Anthony, and we'd still have the TPE, all the young assets and picks, and Bass to eat some salary.  Melo/Rondo/Smith also would be a second round playoff team. Better than Melo/Rondo/Asik?  I don't know, but to me Smith seems like a better asset.

[arctic 3.0]

Green and 17 for Monroe
TPE AND PHILLY 2nd rounders for gortat
Draft Gordon
Sign pp with MLE
Rondo
Bayless
Gordon
Monroe
Gortat

Bench: Pressey, Pierce, sully, Oly, Vitor

Use sully& picks to pick up upgrade at 2 at deadline

No to Bayless as a starting SG and neither WAS or DET would accept either of those deals..

You're not taking into account team need in the Detroit trade.
They have to get the most out of the smith acquisition since he's pretty untraceable right now.
Smith needs to move to the 4, he is a ball dominant player as is Jennings.
They need a 3 who doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.
Green is the perfect fit as a third option.
Detroit also lost their first rounder when they dropped to 9. 18 gives them a first rounder in a deep draft.
I'd say it's a pretty good trade for them.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the green trade Ainge hinted at.
Washington could loose Gortat for nothing.
We give them flexibility with the TE and picks to use as coin as they look to make the jump.
If loves a no go tgen these trades are a good second option.
Pairing low post and high post bigs, keeping the 6 and most of our future picks.