Why won't Olynyk or Sullinger be traded for picks?

[Future Celtics Owner]

I think Sully makes a good case for CHA or SAC wanting to trade the pick for him. Both have great offensive centers and need a steady pf. Also Sully has not hit his prime by any means .

[Celtics4ever]

You might be right, Saric could turn into the next Illyasova: a bean pole of disappointing "potential."

I found this alarming about him but it says a lot of nice things about him.  But great shooters generally can shoot at the free throw line regardless of the excuses this fellow makes for him.

One other statistic of note that I want to point out. When you just look at his raw numbers on some draft sites and don?t do any research, you will see that Saric shot 50% from the free throw line this year. That was in the Adriatic League, where he went 20 for 40.

This is alarming as well.   The Fiba three point line is 22 ft 1.7 in.   The NBA is 23 ft 9 in.  Guys usually don't get a better stroke farther out either.

The biggest red flag offensively across all leagues is his three point shooting. Whether it is in tournaments, in national competition, or in regional leagues, Saric hovers between 30 and 34 percent from deep. He takes about two per game and his form looks fine, he is just very inconsistent. And of course, the biggest worry is how will he perform against NBA caliber athletes on the defensive end? There is no real data available to predict that, but I will say that I have seen a lot of readers give the benefit of the doubt to prospects or free agent targets that they like, saying that they believe in Monty?s ability to teach defense and improve their capabilities within a team concept. I noticed far fewer people giving this kid that benefit of the doubt, and I?ve got to say that it feels like there is a lot of Euro bias.

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/2013/06/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-dario-saric/

One might surmise that he isn't a pure shooter.  Euros usually shoot the lights out.   Maybe he is still growing and uncoordinated who knows?  But usually Euros don't have to develop their shot because they teach the fundamentals of shooting so darn well.   Now his basketball IQ is off the charts.  He might be the steal of the draft but he might not.  Sounds like a nice fit in a motion system.   He is Croatian which if one had to pick a country beside the USA for NBA players that would be the one you would want as they have produced a lot of good pros.  I rather see us trade the pick than gamble on him.  But that is just me.

Fran Francilla stated this about him and Chad Ford agreed.  This is from last year mind you.

I?ve studied a lot of tape of Dario Saric who has been on the scene forever.  There are things that really concern me about him, but he?s certainly a talented player.

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2013/05/espn-nba-draft-combine-conference-call-transcript/

What are these concerns?  I found these notes.

Defensively, Saric struggled to stay in front of quicker, stronger wing players on the perimeter, and he didn't seem to put great effort into his work here, preferring to instead gamble excessively for steals.

More concerning was the poor body language he displayed at times, getting easily frustrated with his teammates, referees and opposing players, and showing something of a bad temper. There are concerns that the attention he's received at such an early age, for instance being anointed ?the next Toni Kukoc? by the Croatian media, has gone to his head.

Saric showed decent touch from the perimeter, but remains unreliable for stretches. Shooting the ball extremely well on the first day of practice, but not as well the next, Saric has a somewhat unorthodox release that sometimes leads to the ball coming off his hand with less than ideal rotation. When Saric was knocking down shots from the midrange and perimeter, he made plays on a regular basis in practice regardless of who was defending him, but he's still working on becoming consistent with this part of his game, which is a huge key for his development.


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[LatterDayCelticsfan]

I'm very much a bird in hand guy, and I reckon its not wise to trade to trade to very recent picks who have panned out for picks which might not.

[hwangjini_1]

Because a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush...

Please do not fall for the "this draft is the best ever" rhetoric.  Nobody truly knows how good any of these players will be.   Ask Portland if they want Greg Odom or Durant?  Crap shoot.

Sully and Olynyk were steals at their slot and both will contribute on any NBA team.  Trading them for the idea of what Wiggins or Exum COULD BE, is not smart GMin .

Now if Cleveland wants to give the Celts the #1 pick for either, sure the odds might change in your favor since you can evaluate all the players and choose one who can contribute asap, but to say that Nick Stauskas from Michigan at #13 is a better prospect than Sully and Olynyk is far more risky than staying put with what you got. 

So no I would not trade either for the 13th pick and I do not think Danny A. will fall for the fools good in the draft v. two guys who contribute right now.

I cannot name three guys better than Sully right now or when Sully played for Ohio State in this draft.  Remember Sully dominated college basketball when he was there.  He is not a slouch and would of given Wiggins real problems if they matched up.  In fact Wiggins could not guard Sully, Sully would eat him up in the post.

I am starting to believe that this draft turns out to be a huge bust.  Sure there are some good players and maybe a few stars could come out, but with the injury news, players who have been untested and all young players littering this draft, there is just as much speculation as fact.

Would you trade draft picks for Kevin Love?  If yes, why, this draft should bring in 10 Kevin Love type players according to the know-it-alls in BBall.  According to the pundits everyone should dump all their players not named Duncan, James and Paul for any player drafted in this lottery.  Hype not facts.

NBA tested v. prospects.

Good post. And it raised a related question in my mind.

If sully and olly were both in this draft as opposed to 2 and 1 year ago, where would they go? Obviously there would be no "history" in the nba to go on, only scouting reports.

Sully, without any negative reports on his back would, I think, be around the 9-12 range. But those reports might push him into the late 20s. There is so much talent, why take a risk, GMs might think.

As for olly, similarly, he would fall into the 20s. Perhaps due to size someone picks him in the late teens, but not sooner.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully, without any negative reports on his back would, I think, be around the 9-12 range. But those reports might push him into the late 20s. There is so much talent, why take a risk, GMs might think.

So do you take the chance of Embiid if he falls?

[hwangjini_1]

Sully, without any negative reports on his back would, I think, be around the 9-12 range. But those reports might push him into the late 20s. There is so much talent, why take a risk, GMs might think.

So do you take the chance of Embiid if he falls?

Depends on the reports. Each back injury is different. For sully, people pretty much believed he would get an operation sooner or later, but that the problem was correctable by surgery.

Embiid? No idea at all. If similar to sully, then snap him up and wait for the recovery. If it is more serious, the the doctors will have a major voice.