Rondo gone if no blockuster deal becomes available?

[Monkhouse]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/05/with_6th_pick_danny_ainge_s_got_something_to_deal

Though it may be the last thing Celtic followers who went through this past season will want to hear, sources indicate the club is ready to go through another year of treading water if no blockbuster deals are available.

If that indeed is the case, then trading Rondo away is probably the best/safest choice. Going through another long year will be a hard sell in re-signing him.

T-Wolves are smoking that good good if they seriously think the Wolves can convince Love to commit to re-sign...

Nothing about the Wolves scream anything other than first round playoff exit.

Love is most likely on his way to BOS... If the Cavs/GSW don't wow the Wolves FO, I can see Love being sent here.

The Cavs and their #1 are tough to beat.  I saw someone saying we should offer Sully + Green + our #6 pick + #17 pick + the Clips pick for Love, which would granted top the #1 overall pick, but then why would Kevin Love resign when his starting SF is Gerald Wallace?  If Cleveland jacks the price up for these guys, then we'll have to just tank again next year. 

I think that we should get one of Gordon or Saric, get a Center and ride out next year.  With a healthy Rondo, one of those two guys (who are both proven winners) and Sully playing in position, we should be at least watchable.  Then, all of our bad contracts become expiring next year and we still have like 7 1st rounders in the next 3 years.  We could swing a deal much easier next year than this year, plus next year's draft is going to be better than this one.  Tanking sucks to watch, but I don't want to give up all our assets for a mediocre team because I was impatient.

I don't think you understand. Love is not going to want to re-sign in Cleveland.

That alone holds all leverage, because the Cavs aren't trading away their treasured first pick for a one year rental of Love.

No matter what anyone says about value, Love is going to want to join a team that will eventually grow to develop to be a championship team.

The Cavs suck. They have the longest drought of sports success in Cleveland Indians, Browns, and Cavaliers.

They aren't winning any time, and they historically have had the most upsets in QBs, and the Cavaliers have too many question marks, and not even post season success for Love to seriously consider the possibility of re-signing in such a questionable franchise.

It sucks for the people of Cleveland, because their very nice, and they are patient. So we'll see. I think the Cavs draft Wiggins/Embiid, and try to see if their top prospects can lead them to a playoff berth.

The Browns haven't won since '64, and the Indians won the series in 1948,.

[gpap]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/05/with_6th_pick_danny_ainge_s_got_something_to_deal

Though it may be the last thing Celtic followers who went through this past season will want to hear, sources indicate the club is ready to go through another year of treading water if no blockbuster deals are available.

If that indeed is the case, then trading Rondo away is probably the best/safest choice. Going through another long year will be a hard sell in re-signing him.

T-Wolves are smoking that good good if they seriously think the Wolves can convince Love to commit to re-sign...

Nothing about the Wolves scream anything other than first round playoff exit.

Love is most likely on his way to BOS... If the Cavs/GSW don't wow the Wolves FO, I can see Love being sent here.

The Cavs and their #1 are tough to beat.  I saw someone saying we should offer Sully + Green + our #6 pick + #17 pick + the Clips pick for Love, which would granted top the #1 overall pick, but then why would Kevin Love resign when his starting SF is Gerald Wallace?  If Cleveland jacks the price up for these guys, then we'll have to just tank again next year. 

I think that we should get one of Gordon or Saric, get a Center and ride out next year.  With a healthy Rondo, one of those two guys (who are both proven winners) and Sully playing in position, we should be at least watchable.  Then, all of our bad contracts become expiring next year and we still have like 7 1st rounders in the next 3 years.  We could swing a deal much easier next year than this year, plus next year's draft is going to be better than this one.  Tanking sucks to watch, but I don't want to give up all our assets for a mediocre team because I was impatient.

I don't think you understand. Love is not going to want to re-sign in Cleveland.

That alone holds all leverage, because the Cavs aren't trading away their treasured first pick for a one year rental of Love.

No matter what anyone says about value, Love is going to want to join a team that will eventually grow to develop to be a championship team.

The Cavs suck. They have the longest drought of sports success in Cleveland Indians, Browns, and Cavaliers.

They aren't winning any time, and they historically have had the most upsets in QBs, and the Cavaliers have too many question marks, and not even post season success for Love to seriously consider the possibility of re-signing in such a questionable franchise.

It sucks for the people of Cleveland, because their very nice, and they are patient. So we'll see. I think the Cavs draft Wiggins/Embiid, and try to see if their top prospects can lead them to a playoff berth.

The Browns haven't won since '64, and the Indians won the series in 1948,.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I mean realistically, if you're Kevin Love, how does Cleveland seem any less appealing than Boston?

Cleveland has Kyrie who is just as good if not better than Rondo.

I also personally think the Lebron thing is a possibility.

I know you can't sign 3 max contracts at the same time and all that, but if there's a way to make it work then Love, Kyrie and Lebron could easily be the best team in the East.

Certainly, the Celtics have a much prouder legacy than the stinkin' Cavs. But other than that, don't see too much of a difference.

Sure, the Cavs have failed miserably at acquiring a legit center but then again, Celts don't really have a legit center either.

I agree with you that ultimately, Cleveland just keeps their pick, drafts Embiid and goes from there.

But I do also think the Cavs could be a sleeper in the Kevin Love scenario.

[wdleehi]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/05/with_6th_pick_danny_ainge_s_got_something_to_deal

Though it may be the last thing Celtic followers who went through this past season will want to hear, sources indicate the club is ready to go through another year of treading water if no blockbuster deals are available.

If that indeed is the case, then trading Rondo away is probably the best/safest choice. Going through another long year will be a hard sell in re-signing him.

T-Wolves are smoking that good good if they seriously think the Wolves can convince Love to commit to re-sign...

Nothing about the Wolves scream anything other than first round playoff exit.

Love is most likely on his way to BOS... If the Cavs/GSW don't wow the Wolves FO, I can see Love being sent here.

The Cavs and their #1 are tough to beat.  I saw someone saying we should offer Sully + Green + our #6 pick + #17 pick + the Clips pick for Love, which would granted top the #1 overall pick, but then why would Kevin Love resign when his starting SF is Gerald Wallace?  If Cleveland jacks the price up for these guys, then we'll have to just tank again next year. 

I think that we should get one of Gordon or Saric, get a Center and ride out next year.  With a healthy Rondo, one of those two guys (who are both proven winners) and Sully playing in position, we should be at least watchable.  Then, all of our bad contracts become expiring next year and we still have like 7 1st rounders in the next 3 years.  We could swing a deal much easier next year than this year, plus next year's draft is going to be better than this one.  Tanking sucks to watch, but I don't want to give up all our assets for a mediocre team because I was impatient.

I don't think you understand. Love is not going to want to re-sign in Cleveland.

That alone holds all leverage, because the Cavs aren't trading away their treasured first pick for a one year rental of Love.

No matter what anyone says about value, Love is going to want to join a team that will eventually grow to develop to be a championship team.

The Cavs suck. They have the longest drought of sports success in Cleveland Indians, Browns, and Cavaliers.

They aren't winning any time, and they historically have had the most upsets in QBs, and the Cavaliers have too many question marks, and not even post season success for Love to seriously consider the possibility of re-signing in such a questionable franchise.

It sucks for the people of Cleveland, because their very nice, and they are patient. So we'll see. I think the Cavs draft Wiggins/Embiid, and try to see if their top prospects can lead them to a playoff berth.

The Browns haven't won since '64, and the Indians won the series in 1948,.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I mean realistically, if you're Kevin Love, how does Cleveland seem any less appealing than Boston?

Cleveland has Kyrie who is just as good if not better than Rondo.

I also personally think the Lebron thing is a possibility.

I know you can't sign 3 max contracts at the same time and all that, but if there's a way to make it work then Love, Kyrie and Lebron could easily be the best team in the East.

Certainly, the Celtics have a much prouder legacy than the stinkin' Cavs. But other than that, don't see too much of a difference.

Sure, the Cavs have failed miserably at acquiring a legit center but then again, Celts don't really have a legit center either.

I agree with you that ultimately, Cleveland just keeps their pick, drafts Embiid and goes from there.

But I do also think the Cavs could be a sleeper in the Kevin Love scenario.

Cleveland has shown they do not know how to build a team around their stars.  They have shown terrible management despite being lucky in the draft lotto. 


Boston has shown the ability to build a team around it's stars.


Cleveland stars want out because of management.


Boston stars for the most part (Ray) have been positive about the Boston management.



You here about other players talking about he respect playing in Boston and in front of their fans. 

I can't remember players saying that about Cleveland. 

[BigAlTheFuture]

I like the McLemore + #8 idea. Walking away from the draft with Smart and Vonleh would be a very successful draft, IMO.

Agreed. Hopefully, the young players develop, albeit through growing pains, and we have better look in the Okafor sweepstakes.

I personally want in on the Karl Towns Jr. sweepstakes more...

I like Myles Turner

[Monkhouse]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/05/with_6th_pick_danny_ainge_s_got_something_to_deal

Though it may be the last thing Celtic followers who went through this past season will want to hear, sources indicate the club is ready to go through another year of treading water if no blockbuster deals are available.

If that indeed is the case, then trading Rondo away is probably the best/safest choice. Going through another long year will be a hard sell in re-signing him.

T-Wolves are smoking that good good if they seriously think the Wolves can convince Love to commit to re-sign...

Nothing about the Wolves scream anything other than first round playoff exit.

Love is most likely on his way to BOS... If the Cavs/GSW don't wow the Wolves FO, I can see Love being sent here.

The Cavs and their #1 are tough to beat.  I saw someone saying we should offer Sully + Green + our #6 pick + #17 pick + the Clips pick for Love, which would granted top the #1 overall pick, but then why would Kevin Love resign when his starting SF is Gerald Wallace?  If Cleveland jacks the price up for these guys, then we'll have to just tank again next year. 

I think that we should get one of Gordon or Saric, get a Center and ride out next year.  With a healthy Rondo, one of those two guys (who are both proven winners) and Sully playing in position, we should be at least watchable.  Then, all of our bad contracts become expiring next year and we still have like 7 1st rounders in the next 3 years.  We could swing a deal much easier next year than this year, plus next year's draft is going to be better than this one.  Tanking sucks to watch, but I don't want to give up all our assets for a mediocre team because I was impatient.

I don't think you understand. Love is not going to want to re-sign in Cleveland.

That alone holds all leverage, because the Cavs aren't trading away their treasured first pick for a one year rental of Love.

No matter what anyone says about value, Love is going to want to join a team that will eventually grow to develop to be a championship team.

The Cavs suck. They have the longest drought of sports success in Cleveland Indians, Browns, and Cavaliers.

They aren't winning any time, and they historically have had the most upsets in QBs, and the Cavaliers have too many question marks, and not even post season success for Love to seriously consider the possibility of re-signing in such a questionable franchise.

It sucks for the people of Cleveland, because their very nice, and they are patient. So we'll see. I think the Cavs draft Wiggins/Embiid, and try to see if their top prospects can lead them to a playoff berth.

The Browns haven't won since '64, and the Indians won the series in 1948,.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I mean realistically, if you're Kevin Love, how does Cleveland seem any less appealing than Boston?

Cleveland has Kyrie who is just as good if not better than Rondo.

I also personally think the Lebron thing is a possibility.

I know you can't sign 3 max contracts at the same time and all that, but if there's a way to make it work then Love, Kyrie and Lebron could easily be the best team in the East.

Certainly, the Celtics have a much prouder legacy than the stinkin' Cavs. But other than that, don't see too much of a difference.

Sure, the Cavs have failed miserably at acquiring a legit center but then again, Celts don't really have a legit center either.

I agree with you that ultimately, Cleveland just keeps their pick, drafts Embiid and goes from there.

But I do also think the Cavs could be a sleeper in the Kevin Love scenario.

Cavs are a sleeper, I definitely don't doubt that.

The argument I'm making is that the track record for success is little to none.

Kevin Love would be shooting himself in the foot, if he was a QB being drafted by the Browns. There was a running joke about how QBs go to the Browns, just to implode and suck, and that the moment any QB gets drafted, they become a bust.

Not exactly the best reputation around for the Cavs, who also have had a fall out with Mike Brown, experienced similar problems, and while the Cavs have Kyrie/Waiters. They don't have anything else. Bennett was probably the worst pick to choose for first, and Tristan Thompson has a long way to go before becoming a starter on a contender.

Its all just a matter of principle.

If you're a free agent like Love/LBJ, would you rather go to the Cavs or BOS? Out of the two, which do you think has the potential to win rings, and which doesn't?

[gpap]

Time to think positive then.

Love will be coming to Boston!!

Green, Sully, Joel Anthony's expiring and a S/T of Avery plus our #6, #17 in this year's draft and the 2015 Clippers pick for Love and Kevin Martin.

Let's get this baby done!

[D.o.s.]

Time to think positive then.

Love will be coming to Boston!!

Green, Sully, Joel Anthony's expiring and a S/T of Avery plus our #6, #17 in this year's draft and the 2015 Clippers pick for Love and Kevin Martin.

Let's get this baby done!

Why not wait until he's already cleaned out someone else's coffers then swoop in like Houston did with Dwight?

[Monkhouse]

Time to think positive then.

Love will be coming to Boston!!

Green, Sully, Joel Anthony's expiring and a S/T of Avery plus our #6, #17 in this year's draft and the 2015 Clippers pick for Love and Kevin Martin.

Let's get this baby done!

Want to avoid Martin as much as possible, because it seems like if Love is coming here, so is Martin.

At worst, it gives us a secondary scorer, who has a great 3 pt shot. His defense is unfortunately the worse thing about Martin.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Time to think positive then.

Love will be coming to Boston!!

Green, Sully, Joel Anthony's expiring and a S/T of Avery plus our #6, #17 in this year's draft and the 2015 Clippers pick for Love and Kevin Martin.

Let's get this baby done!

That is an absurd overpay and even if we did it, we would have a mediocre team at best. Love wouldn't resign with us if we had Rondo / Martin / Chris "d league" Anderson / Love / Vitor.  That's worse than Minny by a wide margin

[blink]

Time to think positive then.

Love will be coming to Boston!!

Green, Sully, Joel Anthony's expiring and a S/T of Avery plus our #6, #17 in this year's draft and the 2015 Clippers pick for Love and Kevin Martin.

Let's get this baby done!

Cmon that is too much for love.  Are you serious about giving up Green, Sully, AB and (3) 1st round picks?  Too much....

[Neurotic Guy]

I mean realistically, if you're Kevin Love, how does Cleveland seem any less appealing than Boston?

Certainly, the Celtics have a much prouder legacy than the stinkin' Cavs. But other than that, don't see too much of a difference.

I'm usually not too big on praising my hometown over other places -- Cleveland might be a fine place to live and play.   And Kevin Love is his own person -- who knows what enters his head when he thinks of Boston v. Cleveland.  My hunch, though, is that Boston will be more appealing.  I think Danny and Brad make a big difference.  Also, I think the history and the engaged fanbase might matter to him.  He might picture himself as the next great Celtics player in a long line of greats.  He might picture his number in the rafters in Boston.  Also, Cleveland is one destination where weather doesn't favor the other team.   

But Cleveland does have the R&R Hall of Fame.  And his uncle is probably enshrined there. 

[slamtheking]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/05/with_6th_pick_danny_ainge_s_got_something_to_deal

Though it may be the last thing Celtic followers who went through this past season will want to hear, sources indicate the club is ready to go through another year of treading water if no blockbuster deals are available.

If that indeed is the case, then trading Rondo away is probably the best/safest choice. Going through another long year will be a hard sell in re-signing him.

T-Wolves are smoking that good good if they seriously think the Wolves can convince Love to commit to re-sign...

Nothing about the Wolves scream anything other than first round playoff exit.

Love is most likely on his way to BOS... If the Cavs/GSW don't wow the Wolves FO, I can see Love being sent here.

The Cavs and their #1 are tough to beat.  I saw someone saying we should offer Sully + Green + our #6 pick + #17 pick + the Clips pick for Love, which would granted top the #1 overall pick, but then why would Kevin Love resign when his starting SF is Gerald Wallace?  If Cleveland jacks the price up for these guys, then we'll have to just tank again next year. 

I think that we should get one of Gordon or Saric, get a Center and ride out next year.  With a healthy Rondo, one of those two guys (who are both proven winners) and Sully playing in position, we should be at least watchable.  Then, all of our bad contracts become expiring next year and we still have like 7 1st rounders in the next 3 years.  We could swing a deal much easier next year than this year, plus next year's draft is going to be better than this one.  Tanking sucks to watch, but I don't want to give up all our assets for a mediocre team because I was impatient.

pretty much what I've been saying as well.  Love's not enough to get us anywhere besides bottom of the playoffs.  Best option, IMHO, is to stand pat for another year and we'll have much better assets and finances going into the next offseason.

the fact Rondo's contract would be up is not a problem.  It could actually play to the C's favor much like it did for Miami with Wade-->contract is up, player still can be resigned with Bird rights and the cap hold based on the expired contract is less than the actual amount he'll be signed for.  if Rondo sees the team moving in the right direction, I would fully expect Danny being able to resign him.  too many Chicken Littles thinking he's automatically leaving if he doesn't resign this offseason

[Irish Stew]

I think that the trade that gpap mentions for Love creates a good framework to create a deal that is fair to both teams and not the usual one-sided deals for the Celtics that dominate this site. My only disagreement is that I don't believe that the Wolves would be interested in taking back Jeff Green who is no longer a highly talented player with untapped potential but a 27 year old who shot 41% last year with a very ordinary 34% 3point percentage. Could we not, instead, substitute all of our nonguaranteed contracts (Pressey, Johnson, Babb and Bogans). The total is roughly 8 million as opposed to Green's 9.2 million. The Wolves could cut them and have the total remake that they need based around all of the draft choices that we give them plus salary cap relief.