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Re: Doc had Big Baby escorted off their bench
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 12:37:14 PM »

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Davis is an asset and provides a little offense off the bench. He's not a bad player especially as a backup. I like what Doc did though, behave or I will bench you or send you home. Show your players who have complete control

Yeah, let me know when he sends an insubordinate superstar home.

I thought he brought Big Baby in to do just this...seriously.


Re: Doc had Big Baby escorted off their bench
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2014, 02:22:00 PM »

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Davis is an asset and provides a little offense off the bench. He's not a bad player especially as a backup. I like what Doc did though, behave or I will bench you or send you home. Show your players who have complete control

Yeah, let me know when he sends an insubordinate superstar home.

Exactly.  That was the thing about Rivers that was sickening....(That and the whole overt tanking thing prior to Garnett, Allen and Thibodeau).  His first year watching Payton make a mockery of an NBA player on the defensive end and to have Rivers chewing out rookies and bench players at mid court during timeouts.  Calling players out during press conferences etc.  None of Rivers' wrath has applied to his best players.

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2014, 02:30:04 PM »

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Re: Doc had Big Baby escorted off their bench
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 11:15:13 AM »

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Rivers had Davis removed from the bench during the Clippers’ victory over the Rockets on Saturday in Houston after the two exchanged words.

Davis, who joined the Clippers last month after being cut by the Magic, was taken out of the game in the second quarter when he yelled something at Rivers. According to the Los Angeles Times, Rivers responded by saying, “Sit your big [expletive] down.”
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2014, 01:18:39 PM »

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Re: Doc had Big Baby escorted off their bench
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2014, 02:06:57 PM »

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Davis is an asset and provides a little offense off the bench. He's not a bad player especially as a backup. I like what Doc did though, behave or I will bench you or send you home. Show your players who have complete control

Yeah, let me know when he sends an insubordinate superstar home.

Exactly.  That was the thing about Rivers that was sickening....(That and the whole overt tanking thing prior to Garnett, Allen and Thibodeau).  His first year watching Payton make a mockery of an NBA player on the defensive end and to have Rivers chewing out rookies and bench players at mid court during timeouts.  Calling players out during press conferences etc.  None of Rivers' wrath has applied to his best players.

On the other hand when have we seen a great coach reign in a superstar with very firm hand?

I like Rivers. And i saw improvement in Pierce's game during the Rivers era, even prior to the KG deal. No one is perfect. Rivers certainly isn't perfect. But he is one of the better coaches in the NBA.


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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2014, 02:16:24 PM »

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Larry Brown and Allen Iverson seemed to have a pretty great relationship, even if it was contentious at times.
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2014, 03:12:38 PM »

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Larry Brown and Allen Iverson seemed to have a pretty great relationship, even if it was contentious at times.

hmmm. Larry Brown was a very good coach, even though he would burn fast on each team. The Larry Brown Allen Iverson dynamic is something that would be great to learn more about. From what i recall their relationship has been mostly referred to as contentious. I think they grew to respect each other in hind sight.

I also think they won because Brown coached the rest of the team really well, and Iverson basically did his thing with all out effort every night.

Iverson was an MVP talent surrounded by good defenders. Yet the Sixers won 50 games or more only once with him. The east was pretty bad then too. The second best team in the East that same year only won 52 games.

Was Larry Brown a good disciplinarian of Iverson? I can't fully say yes or no. But i lean towards no. Iverson did his thing throughout his career.

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2014, 11:39:20 PM »

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Larry Brown and Allen Iverson seemed to have a pretty great relationship, even if it was contentious at times.

hmmm. Larry Brown was a very good coach, even though he would burn fast on each team. The Larry Brown Allen Iverson dynamic is something that would be great to learn more about. From what i recall their relationship has been mostly referred to as contentious. I think they grew to respect each other in hind sight.

I also think they won because Brown coached the rest of the team really well, and Iverson basically did his thing with all out effort every night.

Iverson was an MVP talent surrounded by good defenders. Yet the Sixers won 50 games or more only once with him. The east was pretty bad then too. The second best team in the East that same year only won 52 games.

Was Larry Brown a good disciplinarian of Iverson? I can't fully say yes or no. But i lean towards no. Iverson did his thing throughout his career.

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On Allen Iverson, before exiting, remarks unprompted:

"I'm not going to be there on Allen's day, and I'm sick. We've got a game and I can't get the TV people to change the time.

"But I just want to say this since I have a group here. I know a lot of people think we banged heads and stuff like that, but I know God put me here to coach him. He might not think that, but I feel that way. The more I'm away from it, and the more I meet young people, and people stop me everywhere, I realize the impact he had on our game. I'm thrilled that you guys are doing it (the jersey retirement) for him, because nobody deserves it more than he does. And in this community, I think he was accepted the right way, and that makes me feel great."
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Larry Brown: “[Allen Iverson was the] greatest competitor of all time, toughest kid of all time, maybe the greatest athlete I’ve ever seen. I can’t walk in an airport, walk into a gym where the kids in the gym don’t come to me and ask me about Allen and tell me he’s their favorite player of all time.  And everywhere I go in airports, people look at me and they, ‘You’re Allen’s coach.’”

Bryant Gumbel: “When’s the last time you talked to him?”

Larry Brown: “He was here about a month ago. He spoke to our team, Bryant, and it was the most unbelievable talk I’ve ever heard.  Our kids were spellbound.  And he was so open and honest with ‘em.  He talked about the good things he did and the things he’d like to change, which weren’t a lot.
http://nba.si.com/2014/02/28/allen-iverson-larry-brown-sixers-best-player/

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You can't talk about the Sixers without talking about Iverson and Brown, and their much-publicized contentious relationship. You couldn't draw up two more completely different personalities. Being on the inside, what was it like to see that unfold?

PC: It was difficult because they were at each other's throats, and there was the one time when Larry Brown called me and Iverson called me because (Brown) sat him on the bench in Detroit—I wasn't there—and I got a call that night because I saw that he sat him. And I heard there was a blast on the bus and Larry Brown wanted him traded the next day. And Iverson called me, which was rare, and he wanted him fired. So I said, "We'll meet in the conference room at the practice facility." And all the team is waiting outside the glass with the assistant coaches, and inside the room was Larry Brown on one side of the table, Allen Iverson and me on the other side and Billy King toward the end of the table. And I think Tony DiLeo, our scouting director, was also there.

It was really ugly, like really. Allen came in ready to kill someone. I've never seen him in such a foul mood. He wanted no part with this coach, none. This was my fourth year and (Brown's) third year. It got really ugly, and I remember saying—to this day, I don't think Larry Brown likes me because of this, because I made him sit down in this meeting, but it was the catalyst that turned our whole world around—"You two, I'm not going to trade him, Larry, and I'm not going to fire you. There's no way." I said, "You guys don't understand. You both are so talented, the best of what you do in your business. You're so headstrong. If you were to look in the mirror, you'd see each other. You both have a common goal; you just go about it in different ways."

With that I said, "Allen, the coach doesn't like when you ******** him when he takes you out of the game. That's disrespectful. Would you do that to your father or to your mother?" And he looked at me and he said, "No." I said, "I don't care how much you want to play; it's the coach's plan whether you play or not." I looked at coach and said, "Larry, Allen doesn't like when you treat him like the white prison guard that says, 'Sit down, *****.' " And Larry went, "What?" He looked at me and I said, "That's what (Iverson) said. He said he feels that you are disrespecting him." So they both were looking at each other. I said, "You both are looking at each other in a wrong way."

What I said at the time, then they started to talk. And Allen got up, walked all the way around the table and hugged him. I remember it to this day. That was the beginning; that was the real turnaround, I'll tell you.

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JZ: It's interesting how it took about three years with Iverson and Brown together for things to really hit the fan.

PC: Listen, I was the one; Larry doesn't like to discipline his players. He doesn't feel the pros should be disciplined at the professional level. So it was me who got the call when Allen missed a practice after being in New York, before they went to Boston and I sat him out a game. It's me in Miami when I go to drop my bags off in the training room, and I hear, "Allen missed the shootaround this morning." I'm like "****." So Billy King and I go in the locker room, and we sit him down and said, "You're not playing tonight." He said, "What the****?" I said, "No, you're not playing tonight. You chose, not me." I looked him in the eyes and said, "Did I miss practice? No. You missed practice."

And he knows and Larry knows no one wants to not let him play because you've got the whole audience out there waiting for him, you've got all the media waiting for him. So I now have to go face the media and his mother. "Why aren't you playing him?" I'm like, "****." I said to her, "It's easy, he missed practice." I believe in discipline. I believe that until this day. I think he really loved me and I loved him. I sat him down and talked to him about it. He was the one; he stopped it finally.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1987626-ex-76ers-boss-pat-croce-opens-up-on-allen-iverson-talks-pirate-treasure-more
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