Rondo and Green just don't mesh together?

[vinnie]

One of them should go and it surely should not be Rondo.

[sed522002]

Green had plenty of touches tonight and Rondo was really making an effort to get him the ball early at the beginning of the game...just one those games (that happens often).

[RRNoLookPass]

Green averages 16 pts on 13.3 shots.  Even without knowing anything else, you should know that that's not efficient, regardless of whether the first number leads the team and the second number comes in second.  He's not efficient because his three point shooting isn't good enough to make up for below-average shooting on twos and a mediocre free throw attempt rate.

Green's defense has been pretty poor this season.  I think he's been below-average on defense, below-average as a playmaker and below-average on the boards for his position and yeah, his scoring is at best mediocre.  He's not a statsheet-stuffer or a two-way difference maker.  I think he's been pretty close to Nick Young this season.

16 points on 13.3 shots is far from "not efficient." It's when a players matches his ppg with shot attempts per game that you start knocking on their efficiency. And yeah, he's been pretty close to Nick Young if all you look at is scoring. But oh wait, there's this thing called defense, and rebounding. And green is significantly better than Nick Young at both.

You think he's been below average on defense? Well do you have any numbers to back that up? ...Because opinions and facts are two different things. If you think Green is not a two-way difference maker, you've evidently never watched him defend some of the toughest SF's in the league (Lebron, Durant, etc) and do a far better job than most other SF's can.

[RRNoLookPass]

for the record, Rip and Billups averaged 17.5 and 17 points respectively, and also, Jeff Green wouldn't be starting on that Pistons team.

For the record, neither of those numbers are far off from Greens scoring average, by any means. And to say Jeff Green wouldn't be starting on that Pistons team is widely debatable. If you think Tayshaun Prince was such an irreplaceable stud in 2004, you may want to go back and check the numbers.

I know most of these posts are from a cpl wks ago, but I saw no harm in responding since the thread had already been brought back to life.

As for the actual thread topic-- Green not meshing with Rondo-- I can see where that argument could be made. Although there are times when Green just doesn't seem to mesh with anyone.
It seems like whenever he has a huge game and goes off for 30 or 40, he is either red-hot from 3p land, or just driving to the rack like crazy, drawing fouls, etc. So often in those situations, it doesn't really matter who is passing him the ball.
With that being said, I think it is a little extreme to say we need to just get rid of Rondo or Green, simply because they don't appear to mesh well in some games.

[ddb]

I don't think Green meshes well with anyone in 3 out of every 4 games.  Pretty simple.  He forgets that he's an NBA player 75% of the time

[Galeto]

Green averages 16 pts on 13.3 shots.  Even without knowing anything else, you should know that that's not efficient, regardless of whether the first number leads the team and the second number comes in second.  He's not efficient because his three point shooting isn't good enough to make up for below-average shooting on twos and a mediocre free throw attempt rate.

Green's defense has been pretty poor this season.  I think he's been below-average on defense, below-average as a playmaker and below-average on the boards for his position and yeah, his scoring is at best mediocre.  He's not a statsheet-stuffer or a two-way difference maker.  I think he's been pretty close to Nick Young this season.

16 points on 13.3 shots is far from "not efficient." It's when a players matches his ppg with shot attempts per game that you start knocking on their efficiency. And yeah, he's been pretty close to Nick Young if all you look at is scoring. But oh wait, there's this thing called defense, and rebounding. And green is significantly better than Nick Young at both.

You think he's been below average on defense? Well do you have any numbers to back that up? ...Because opinions and facts are two different things. If you think Green is not a two-way difference maker, you've evidently never watched him defend some of the toughest SF's in the league (Lebron, Durant, etc) and do a far better job than most other SF's can.

Do you have any numbers about his defense?  You talk about the difference between facts and opinions and then proffer an opinion with no numbers.  Nice.

Anyway, Green's true shooting percentage and equivalent shooting percentage, two stats that deal with scoring efficiency, are both below league average.  Further, your original statement, that Green was efficient because, by golly, he was actually leading the team in scoring while not leading it in shots (by about 0.2 per game at the time! Wow!)no longer applies because he's nudged ahead of Bradley in shots per game.