I like the way the Celtics play without Rondo

[BballTim]

These threads are so ridiculous it isn't funny. They beat the WORST team in the NBA tonight hands down. I think they ought to trade Rondo and build the team around Jeff Green, Sully (who I love), and Kelly Olynyk. My guess is they would win the championship next year with those three at the core.

Its a good start to me. Also they do have something in common. They play better without Jhog or Rondo in the lineup.

Rondo is terrible. He needs to go. Phil Pressey is much better. They would have won more championships if not for Rondo. I can't take it anymore..........

They could of won it all without Rondo. The main reason we won 2008 was not bc of Rondo. It was bc of the big three.

You get it right?

  True. And the main reason we went to the ECF in 2012 was Rondo, and the main reason we got stomped the first round in 2013 was no Rondo. You get it, right?

The main reason we went to the EFC in 2012 was not bc of Rondo.  It was still bc of the big three. Rondo had lots of space to work with

  Your scouting report is at least 3 years out of date. It's probably not worth mentioning to someone who's observations are as demonstrably wrong as yours but it wasn't the big three carrying Rondo (when he was healthy) in the playoffs since 2008.

[Boris Badenov]

These threads are so ridiculous it isn't funny. They beat the WORST team in the NBA tonight hands down. I think they ought to trade Rondo and build the team around Jeff Green, Sully (who I love), and Kelly Olynyk. My guess is they would win the championship next year with those three at the core.

Its a good start to me. Also they do have something in common. They play better without Jhog or Rondo in the lineup.

Rondo is terrible. He needs to go. Phil Pressey is much better. They would have won more championships if not for Rondo. I can't take it anymore..........

They could of won it all without Rondo. The main reason we won 2008 was not bc of Rondo. It was bc of the big three.

You get it right?

  True. And the main reason we went to the ECF in 2012 was Rondo, and the main reason we got stomped the first round in 2013 was no Rondo. You get it, right?

The main reason we went to the EFC in 2012 was not bc of Rondo.  It was still bc of the big three. Rondo had lots of space to work with

  Your scouting report is at least 3 years out of date. It's probably not worth mentioning to someone who's observations are as demonstrably wrong as yours but it wasn't the big three carrying Rondo (when he was healthy) in the playoffs since 2008.

Please, don't debate it, there's no debating obvious facts with him..lol..Just call it a draw and leave it be..lol.

Calling it a "draw" does a disservice to the concept of a draw.

[sed522002]

These threads are so ridiculous it isn't funny. They beat the WORST team in the NBA tonight hands down. I think they ought to trade Rondo and build the team around Jeff Green, Sully (who I love), and Kelly Olynyk. My guess is they would win the championship next year with those three at the core.

Its a good start to me. Also they do have something in common. They play better without Jhog or Rondo in the lineup.

Rondo is terrible. He needs to go. Phil Pressey is much better. They would have won more championships if not for Rondo. I can't take it anymore..........

They could of won it all without Rondo. The main reason we won 2008 was not bc of Rondo. It was bc of the big three.

You get it right?

  True. And the main reason we went to the ECF in 2012 was Rondo, and the main reason we got stomped the first round in 2013 was no Rondo. You get it, right?

The main reason we went to the EFC in 2012 was not bc of Rondo.  It was still bc of the big three. Rondo had lots of space to work with

  Your scouting report is at least 3 years out of date. It's probably not worth mentioning to someone who's observations are as demonstrably wrong as yours but it wasn't the big three carrying Rondo (when he was healthy) in the playoffs since 2008.

Please, don't debate it, there's no debating obvious facts with him..lol..Just call it a draw and leave it be..lol.

Calling it a "draw" does a disservice to the concept of a draw.

Ok, whatever..call it what you want to call it then.

[Boris Badenov]

These threads are so ridiculous it isn't funny. They beat the WORST team in the NBA tonight hands down. I think they ought to trade Rondo and build the team around Jeff Green, Sully (who I love), and Kelly Olynyk. My guess is they would win the championship next year with those three at the core.

Its a good start to me. Also they do have something in common. They play better without Jhog or Rondo in the lineup.

Rondo is terrible. He needs to go. Phil Pressey is much better. They would have won more championships if not for Rondo. I can't take it anymore..........

They could of won it all without Rondo. The main reason we won 2008 was not bc of Rondo. It was bc of the big three.

You get it right?

  True. And the main reason we went to the ECF in 2012 was Rondo, and the main reason we got stomped the first round in 2013 was no Rondo. You get it, right?

The main reason we went to the EFC in 2012 was not bc of Rondo.  It was still bc of the big three. Rondo had lots of space to work with

  Your scouting report is at least 3 years out of date. It's probably not worth mentioning to someone who's observations are as demonstrably wrong as yours but it wasn't the big three carrying Rondo (when he was healthy) in the playoffs since 2008.

Please, don't debate it, there's no debating obvious facts with him..lol..Just call it a draw and leave it be..lol.

Calling it a "draw" does a disservice to the concept of a draw.

Ok, whatever..call it what you want to call it then.

OK. I'll call it "a long series of factually/logically incorrect complaints about Rondo that have been completely shot down."

[tstorey_97]

Much of the back and forth on the number one topic here is that professional basketball is a team sport.

Such and such player simply can't take credit for much of anything can he? He can put up crazy stats:

Carmelo Anthony

Play his heart out as one of the best in league history:

Kevin Garnett as a Timberwolf

Get dusted in playoff finals after playoff finals:

Jerry West

But still, he's just another really good player who has absolutely nothing until he has a team that allows him to be a "champion. "

[sed522002]

These threads are so ridiculous it isn't funny. They beat the WORST team in the NBA tonight hands down. I think they ought to trade Rondo and build the team around Jeff Green, Sully (who I love), and Kelly Olynyk. My guess is they would win the championship next year with those three at the core.

Its a good start to me. Also they do have something in common. They play better without Jhog or Rondo in the lineup.

Rondo is terrible. He needs to go. Phil Pressey is much better. They would have won more championships if not for Rondo. I can't take it anymore..........

They could of won it all without Rondo. The main reason we won 2008 was not bc of Rondo. It was bc of the big three.

You get it right?

  True. And the main reason we went to the ECF in 2012 was Rondo, and the main reason we got stomped the first round in 2013 was no Rondo. You get it, right?

The main reason we went to the EFC in 2012 was not bc of Rondo.  It was still bc of the big three. Rondo had lots of space to work with

  Your scouting report is at least 3 years out of date. It's probably not worth mentioning to someone who's observations are as demonstrably wrong as yours but it wasn't the big three carrying Rondo (when he was healthy) in the playoffs since 2008.

Please, don't debate it, there's no debating obvious facts with him..lol..Just call it a draw and leave it be..lol.

Calling it a "draw" does a disservice to the concept of a draw.

Ok, whatever..call it what you want to call it then.

OK. I'll call it "a long series of factually/logically incorrect complaints about Rondo that have been completely shot down."

Sounds right.

[chambers]

I disagree that the team plays better without Rondo. He clearly makes us a better side.
However, he has had the luxury of playing with a crop of excellent jumpshooters for pretty much his entire career.
Bass and KG have been in the top 3 to 5 jump shooters in the NBA for  quite some time now at the power forward position. They've both been number 1. It's true that their spacing helps Rondo- but it's also Rondo's pinpoint passing that assists them to an extent as well. They need each other essentially.
Pierce is much the same at the small forward position as a jumpshooter. I won't begin to talk about Ray Allen.

Bottom line is that Rondo makes pretty much any team he plays on a better team. If he's hot and hitting his jumpshots and threes AND surrounded by excellent shooters like we had from 2008- 2013 then it's hard to fathom that we still lost to Miami.(brag...I went to most of those ECF games in Boston and Miami and I still shake my head thinking about how lucky Miami were).

The good news for us is that he's worked on his shooting while he's been out with the injury. He's also bulked up around his upper body/torso which has presumably helped his shot but also given him the ability to take contact around the basket more which he knew he'd need if he was going to become a more consistent scorer.

His assists may go down slightly due to lack of talent around him
on the whole, but his scoring should go up given his improved strength and shooting technique.

At the end of the day you may like the way the C's play without Rondo but you're 1000% crazy if you think they play better without him.

[SHAQATTACK]

Seeing Rondo hit his open jumpers was the missing part of his game.    Now he can make teams pay for leaving him the open jumper .

I'm confident if Rondo was perfectly healthy at the start of the season.  We would have another 5-10 wins.

I like the newer look Rondo with outside shot .  And a more mature confidence on court.

[dreamgreen]

I like it this year because it gives us a chance to lose every night.

If you like it for a different reason, like you think they are better without him than you should watch the games.

[nickagneta]

At the end of the day you may like the way the C's play without Rondo but you're 1000% crazy if you think they play better without him.

Most intelligent thing written in this thread. TP.