DA now owns one of the most coveted trade chips in the NBA.

[Arok325]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

Well I for one am glad you are not the GM of this team. I disagree completely. Danny is simply hedging his bets. The worst thing this team could be is a perennial 7 or 8 seed or team that barely misses the playoffs. Do you want to be a Milwaukee Bucks for the next 5 years or a Cleveland Cavs? The difference is that the Cavs have gotten some nice picks and now have Irving. I guess you would prefer to be a Bucks and have Larry Saunders???

The stupid thing to do is to pretend that our team could compete next year and risk it all on blind luck that we would somehow be ok even though we wouldn't be preparing for the future at all.

[Sketch5]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

I think people forget how bad this team was the beginning of last season before the injuries. Not much better with the injuries and horrible in the playoffs. Maybe Rondo and Sully get us out of the first round, but from how the beginning went, not sure. Indy would have been a horrible match up for us. Too may young legs.

How is it cowardly to be smart. They weren't winning the next two seasons, people need to realize that. KG has bone spurs, and PP's shot was flat all season which means no legs. Rondo wont be back 100% till half way threw the season or maybe even next.

The cowardly thing would have been to keep the band together and then tank after they retire were you don't know whos in the drafts and with out any multiple pics.

Both Nets and Celtics GM's are no cowards. The Russian is willing to be bad for 10 years to get a ring in the next two, and DA is willing to be bad for the next few to be contending for the next 10. Cowards take the easy rout, this was not easy...

[manl_lui]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

I won't exactly say cowardly, but more like acquiring assets. Think of it as chess or even poker. Danny understands what he has in his hand and making the most out of it.

[Jonny CC]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

I think people forget how bad this team was the beginning of last season before the injuries. Not much better with the injuries and horrible in the playoffs. Maybe Rondo and Sully get us out of the first round, but from how the beginning went, not sure. Indy would have been a horrible match up for us. Too may young legs.

How is it cowardly to be smart. They weren't winning the next two seasons, people need to realize that. KG has bone spurs, and PP's shot was flat all season which means no legs. Rondo wont be back 100% till half way threw the season or maybe even next.

The cowardly thing would have been to keep the band together and then tank after they retire were you don't know whos in the drafts and with out any multiple pics.

Both Nets and Celtics GM's are no cowards. The Russian is willing to be bad for 10 years to get a ring in the next two, and DA is willing to be bad for the next few to be contending for the next 10. Cowards take the easy rout, this was not easy...

Totally agree with you.  It took a HUGE set of stones to trade PP and KG.  There was nothing cowardly about it.  He actually did what he felt was best for the team regardless of emotion or personal admiration for the players he dealt. 

[Finkelskyhook]

The only thing....As a fan who bought tickets far in advance and used vacation time....Only to see some of the most shamelessly embarassing tanked ineptitude the last time...

The only thing I ask is that whoever the coach, the GM, or who is on the roster...That they put their best effort to win every night. 

I'll pay to watch a team scrap like Obie's teams did with average personnel...But I won't pay NBA ticket prices to watch NBDL personnel because the GM decides to sit healthy players. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

Well I for one am glad you are not the GM of this team. I disagree completely. Danny is simply hedging his bets. The worst thing this team could be is a perennial 7 or 8 seed or team that barely misses the playoffs. Do you want to be a Milwaukee Bucks for the next 5 years or a Cleveland Cavs? The difference is that the Cavs have gotten some nice picks and now have Irving. I guess you would prefer to be a Bucks and have Larry Saunders???

The stupid thing to do is to pretend that our team could compete next year and risk it all on blind luck that we would somehow be ok even though we wouldn't be preparing for the future at all.

We already have assets, cap space and draft picks of our own. We have a GM who's very good enough to use those assets to be better than the Bucks without having to suck.

You underestimate what losing brings to a team, to the players who are competitive and has a lot of pride. All while we are still not even certain we will get a great draft selection next year, or will be able to flip whatever assets we acquire for an established player.

We could win in one fell swoop, and I hope we do, but we're also risking a Sacramento Kings like rebuild in which they haven't recovered yet, because we have no winning mentality, no leaders and no identity.

We have a as much big of a chance on being the Sacramento Kings than being the Cavaliers if we tank, and there's a risk of ruining team chemistry.

I'd rather compete with what I have and be the Bucks, being in the playoffs, competing and gaining experience for the young guys all while we try to figure out what additions we can bring to make our situation better, than be mediocre and hope we gut lucky, because we may not be.
 

[rondohondo]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

Well I for one am glad you are not the GM of this team. I disagree completely. Danny is simply hedging his bets. The worst thing this team could be is a perennial 7 or 8 seed or team that barely misses the playoffs. Do you want to be a Milwaukee Bucks for the next 5 years or a Cleveland Cavs? The difference is that the Cavs have gotten some nice picks and now have Irving. I guess you would prefer to be a Bucks and have Larry Saunders???

The stupid thing to do is to pretend that our team could compete next year and risk it all on blind luck that we would somehow be ok even though we wouldn't be preparing for the future at all.

We already have assets, cap space and draft picks of our own. We have a GM who's very good enough to use those assets to be better than the Bucks without having to suck.

You underestimate what losing brings to a team, to the players who are competitive and has a lot of pride. All while we are still not even certain we will get a great draft selection next year, or will be able to flip whatever assets we acquire for an established player.

We could win in one fell swoop, and I hope we though, but we're also risking a Sacramento Kings like rebuild in which they haven't recovered yet, because we have no winning mentality, no leaders and no identity.

we have no cap space actually , and wouldn't til 2015 if we let kg and pp go

What assets did we have ? a rondo coming back from acl? sully after back surgery? AB who is a one trick pony?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

Well I for one am glad you are not the GM of this team. I disagree completely. Danny is simply hedging his bets. The worst thing this team could be is a perennial 7 or 8 seed or team that barely misses the playoffs. Do you want to be a Milwaukee Bucks for the next 5 years or a Cleveland Cavs? The difference is that the Cavs have gotten some nice picks and now have Irving. I guess you would prefer to be a Bucks and have Larry Saunders???

The stupid thing to do is to pretend that our team could compete next year and risk it all on blind luck that we would somehow be ok even though we wouldn't be preparing for the future at all.

We already have assets, cap space and draft picks of our own. We have a GM who's very good enough to use those assets to be better than the Bucks without having to suck.

You underestimate what losing brings to a team, to the players who are competitive and has a lot of pride. All while we are still not even certain we will get a great draft selection next year, or will be able to flip whatever assets we acquire for an established player.

We could win in one fell swoop, and I hope we though, but we're also risking a Sacramento Kings like rebuild in which they haven't recovered yet, because we have no winning mentality, no leaders and no identity.

we have no cap space actually , and wouldn't til 2015 if we let kg and pp go

What assets did we have ? a rondo coming back from acl? sully after back surgery? AB who is a one trick pony?

Yes. Those guys.

You're calling it right now because they haven't played the season yet. With the core we have they could emerge and play better than last season and raise their stock. We have picks, 2 in 2015. Terry, Lee and Bass have value and if Danny plays it smart, which I think I can, he can flips those in to little assets as well. Those are viable assets that we can flip for a player who can add to a Rondo/Green core. All while we're still competing, not tanking and not risking losing that winning mentality and team chemistry we have and not wasting ROndo and Green's prime.

[rondohondo]

DA is a coward if his idea to win in the future is to suck so we can land a superstar.

Really?  Were the Cavs cowards to land Lebron?  Or how about the Bulls to land Derrick Rose?  PP and KG have maybe 1-2 more decent seasons between them before they retire.  Not to mention Doc wanted out after becoming sick with Rondo and almost getting into a fistfight with his 'team leader'.


The writing was on the wall and DA chose to blow it up and take his chances rather than hang on to his 'big three' too long.  I don't see it as cowardly, but smart as a long term team-building strategy.  Maybe you can argue he could have gotten more or a better deal, but the overall reasoning behind the moves appears sound.

That Bulls and Cavs team did not give up a chance to compete to land their respective #1 picks, we did. That's the difference. They we're bad teams to begin with, we are not with KG, Paul, Green and a healthy Rondo.

Danny is building a team that cannot compete for the Championship right now so it can compete in the future. I agree it's smart, but it's cowardly.

It's cowardly for him for not trusting what he can do with what he have. His best idea to win in the future is to suck now. What a great GM.

Well I for one am glad you are not the GM of this team. I disagree completely. Danny is simply hedging his bets. The worst thing this team could be is a perennial 7 or 8 seed or team that barely misses the playoffs. Do you want to be a Milwaukee Bucks for the next 5 years or a Cleveland Cavs? The difference is that the Cavs have gotten some nice picks and now have Irving. I guess you would prefer to be a Bucks and have Larry Saunders???

The stupid thing to do is to pretend that our team could compete next year and risk it all on blind luck that we would somehow be ok even though we wouldn't be preparing for the future at all.

We already have assets, cap space and draft picks of our own. We have a GM who's very good enough to use those assets to be better than the Bucks without having to suck.

You underestimate what losing brings to a team, to the players who are competitive and has a lot of pride. All while we are still not even certain we will get a great draft selection next year, or will be able to flip whatever assets we acquire for an established player.

We could win in one fell swoop, and I hope we though, but we're also risking a Sacramento Kings like rebuild in which they haven't recovered yet, because we have no winning mentality, no leaders and no identity.

we have no cap space actually , and wouldn't til 2015 if we let kg and pp go

What assets did we have ? a rondo coming back from acl? sully after back surgery? AB who is a one trick pony?

Yes. Those guys.

You're calling it right now because they haven't played the season yet. With the core we have they could emerge and play better than last season and raise their stock. We have picks, 2 in 2015. Terry, Lee and Bass have value and if Danny plays it smart, which I think I can, he can flips those in to little assets as well. Those are viable assets that we can flip for a player who can add to a Rondo/Green core. All while we're still competing, not tanking and not risking losing that winning mentality and team chemistry we have and not wasting ROndo and Green's prime.

trading those pieces isn't getting anything that will put us over the top though . If we trade them for say a millsap we are tied into even more salary for the future. KG an PP will be gone within two years, then you are stuck with a core of Rondo, Millsap, Green and no draft picks we are getting from the Nets.

Leaves us in the 6-8 range in the east for the next 3+ years with no cap room, no 8 first round picks over the next 4 years, and no KG and PP.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I'm right with you too.
We can be a serious contender by 2015.

Let's really be serious. We are looking at 2017-18 for any kind of serious contention.

well vinnie, 4 to 5 years beats the living hell out of 22 years now does it not?