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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2013, 05:15:13 PM »

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I'd rather see Shav and Wilcox than either. We should try going big.
WE ARE NOT A BIG TEAM. My head is going to explode. If we want to play big we need to get quality bigs (not Shav and Wilcox).

As for T-Will over Crawford, I think Crawford's offensive potential warrants the 10+mins he sees. He has that burst that Terry is supposed to show (and can be just as streaky).

If he is getting any playing time it should cut into Terry's court time and should be early if Terry is struggling. Give him a few possessions and see if his size can knock JR off his game and if it fails we can still go back without losing too much.

I'm not ready to give up on Terry though. He really struggled last night, but I still think there is hope that he can find his stroke and be a 4th quarter difference maker. One big game might be enough to get him in the groove.
ok, let's call it going regular since us going big means we are running out a conventional line up.

We lost the battle of the boards yesterday, Shav would have helped in that. When your team is struggling to score bringing in someone that can get an offensive board to help the offense would have been exactly what the doctor ordered.

In post game Doc said he needs to find a way to give Jeff Green more of a rest. You can expect his minutes to be at least partly filled by a big.

In the first game we got bench minutes out of two combo guards and a two, at some point we need some bench minutes from bigs.
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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2013, 05:35:42 PM »

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I would rather see T Will over Jason Terry. He was Terry-able.

The Celtics played their best basketball of the season after rondo got hurt.  Doc played the bench and they ran and moved the ball.  In the first game I could of sworn Rondo was the PG - no ball movement, brick after brick...gave the game away in the 4th and couldn't finish.

Play Wilcox, Shav-licek, Williams and White.  See what you have.  Move the ball, run - its the only chance they have.

Otherwise forget-about-it.  Doc and small ball and playing the old guys 40 minutes and nobody else, is a recipe for disaster anyway.
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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2013, 05:37:46 PM »

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In this series, I agree.  You give up a little bit of offense with T-Will out there, but on the other hand I think he can really bother JR Smith with his defense.

Is the problem with T-Will not the opposite?

Suspect defender, good facilitator/slasher.

I've seen Williams play some excellent one-on-one defense for us this season.

Jordan Crawford is unquestionably the superior offensive player, but he's undisciplined and cheats too much on defense.  Williams has the length and athleticism to stick to Smith.

Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2013, 05:50:07 PM »

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Doesn't matter to me. I don't think either is going to be very productive either way. Neither is ready to contribute in the playoffs at this point in their career. They just aren't that good.

Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2013, 06:08:56 PM »

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In this series, I agree.  You give up a little bit of offense with T-Will out there, but on the other hand I think he can really bother JR Smith with his defense.

Is the problem with T-Will not the opposite?

Suspect defender, good facilitator/slasher.

I've seen Williams play some excellent one-on-one defense for us this season.

Jordan Crawford is unquestionably the superior offensive player, but he's undisciplined and cheats too much on defense.  Williams has the length and athleticism to stick to Smith.

I remember him defending Kyrie Irving really well but he doesn't have the rep of being a good defender. Articles I've read talk about him not knowing the rotations yet.

I kind of got off track there. Forgot that we're talking about playing T-Will at the expense of J-Craw.

I was thinking of the Jet and not J-Craw. Right now, the Jet has literally given us nothing so anything is superior offensively.

Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2013, 07:17:08 PM »

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crawford was a overreaction move by Danny. If you are not going to get a legit sg that can help , than you just leave the team alone.

Its like buying a crappy new car when the older car was more reliable.

Jason Collins has been dearly missed since he has been gone imo. Not that he is going to score 10 points or grab you 10 rebounds, but he was a key vet. Plus his height at least somewhat neutralized or made it tough for opposing bigs to get their ways with us.

Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2013, 07:21:05 PM »

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crawford was a overreaction move by Danny. If you are not going to get a legit sg that can help , than you just leave the team alone.

Its like buying a crappy new car when the older car was more reliable.

Jason Collins has been dearly missed since he has been gone imo. Not that he is going to score 10 points or grab you 10 rebounds, but he was a key vet. Plus his height at least somewhat neutralized or made it tough for opposing bigs to get their ways with us.

Strongly disagree; I may be Collins' biggest fan but I believe Crawford has and will be more important than Collins.

He wouldn't have been that helpful, though he might've made a "big" difference against certain opponents (not the Knicks)

I like the high-upside Crawford who could potentially explode for 30 on any night (maybe soon :) ).
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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2013, 07:25:38 PM »

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I'd rather see Shav and Wilcox than either. We should try going big.
WE ARE NOT A BIG TEAM. My head is going to explode. If we want to play big we need to get quality bigs (not Shav and Wilcox).

As for T-Will over Crawford, I think Crawford's offensive potential warrants the 10+mins he sees. He has that burst that Terry is supposed to show (and can be just as streaky).

If he is getting any playing time it should cut into Terry's court time and should be early if Terry is struggling. Give him a few possessions and see if his size can knock JR off his game and if it fails we can still go back without losing too much.

I'm not ready to give up on Terry though. He really struggled last night, but I still think there is hope that he can find his stroke and be a 4th quarter difference maker. One big game might be enough to get him in the groove.
ok, let's call it going regular since us going big means we are running out a conventional line up.

We lost the battle of the boards yesterday, Shav would have helped in that. When your team is struggling to score bringing in someone that can get an offensive board to help the offense would have been exactly what the doctor ordered.

In post game Doc said he needs to find a way to give Jeff Green more of a rest. You can expect his minutes to be at least partly filled by a big.

In the first game we got bench minutes out of two combo guards and a two, at some point we need some bench minutes from bigs.
If Doc's going to cut down on Green's minutes, which he needs to because he can't play 46 a game, then yeah it should be Wilcox or possibly Shav (probably Wilcox). I totally agree. But those minutes shouldn't be coming at the expense of Crawford or even Terry (despite how poorly he has played).

I don't think what Shav brings in terms of rebounding makes up for some of his major flaws, in particular picking up a boatload of fouls (both real calls and rookie calls) and his failures on defense. I have no problem seeing him out there for 5-7 minutes, but thats giving Green a rest in the front court.

We lost yesterday because of turnovers. If we could cut those down to 13/14 we averaged and we could easily have won that game. Thats 6/7 possessions that make the difference in a 7 point game.

Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2013, 07:36:40 PM »

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crawford was a overreaction move by Danny. If you are not going to get a legit sg that can help , than you just leave the team alone.

I think it was an acceptance by Ainge that, without Rondo, the team doesn't really have a shot at a title this season, so steps should be made to increase the chances for next season.
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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2013, 07:37:38 PM »

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crawford was a overreaction move by Danny. If you are not going to get a legit sg that can help , than you just leave the team alone.

Its like buying a crappy new car when the older car was more reliable.

Jason Collins has been dearly missed since he has been gone imo. Not that he is going to score 10 points or grab you 10 rebounds, but he was a key vet. Plus his height at least somewhat neutralized or made it tough for opposing bigs to get their ways with us.
Crawford for Jason Collins is unbelievable value and an excellent move by Danny.

Crawford provides so much more to this team with his scoring ability and future potential than Collins's steady but largely unimportant presence.

I think that Shav can provide pretty much everything that Collins could if not more given his energy. Crawford on the other hand can provide the bench scoring punch that Terry has failed to, has potential to improve in the future and if nothing else could be a great trade chip next year.

There are plenty of Danny's moves this season that haven't worked out that you could attack, but this shouldn't be one.

Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2013, 09:47:53 PM »

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Surprised this wasn't about him getting minutes over Terry.
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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2013, 10:00:00 PM »

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I think Doc dives a little further into the bench tuesday. I like Crawford he can be a guy that can change a game if he's hot. But I agree Twill should play he can handle the rock and make decent passes, something Avery doesn't do well.

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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2013, 10:01:34 PM »

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Surprised this wasn't about him getting minutes over Terry.

Agree.

Doc was praising Crawford a lot after last game.
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Re: I would rather see Terrence Williams get mins over Crawford
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2013, 10:02:41 PM »

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And just for reference:

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Rivers said he’ll consider adding a big man to the mix (not tipping his hand if it would be Shavlik Randolph or Chris Wilcox), but said he’ll remain guard-heavy against New York while eying addition minutes for Crawford. “I thought Jordan should have played more in the second half. It’s funny, he didn’t score, but he created baskets. And, I’ll tell you, he’s buying in defensively and if he can continue to do that, then he has a chance to help us.”
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