Trade Idea: Pierce, Melo, etc. For Howard

[Celtics4ever]

I have heard the kings want Melo but not heard any other interest.   I don't think his summer league performance helped.

[kozlodoev]

I have heard the kings want Melo but not heard any other interest.   I don't think his summer league performance helped.

Don't know how you heard such thing. He signed, so he cannot be traded for a while.

[jambr380]

Some are acting like this is an absurd propsal. Obviously Pierce isn't the centerpiece in the deal, mostly a contract (which could also be used in a three-way deal). Melo isn't nearly enough, but we have a lot of assets right now. Unfortunately we aren't able to trade many of them for a little bit as they all just signed.

I don't see how Danny isn't going nuts trying to figure out a way to get Dwight or even J. Smith - if not now, definitely at the deadline if they are still available.

Hopefully Pierce will remain and contriute this year, though.

[samjones]

Per Sam Amick:
Source familiar with Lakers-Cavs-Magic talks says potential trade not dead, but in holding pattern. Teams seem to be weighing options, with Magic, in particular, seeing what else might be out there. http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/1365d0bc-142f-4f53-9544-dd47983ff532/?source=twitter

Same guy who said the Magic hoped to wrap this up in early August, which would be when rookies like Melo and Sullinger could be traded, or the Houston rookies, if it's still 30 days after contract signed in this new CBA.

For his talent, Howard would be worth Pierce, Bradley, Melo, and Sullinger, and maybe more in draft picks. Abdul Jabbar was traded by the Milwaukee Bucks decades ago for center Elmore Smith, guard Brian Winters, and rookies Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgeman.. But the Celtics would have to be sold on Howard's priorities and fit into the team concept.

[Neurotic Guy]

We'd all hate to see Paul go, but the most secure path to NBA success is getting franchise players and building around them.   I get shivers thinking about KG/Howard together for the next 2 years.  I don't think KG would mind DH taking over the 5 spot.

But I agree with those who are dubious of Orlando biting on the packages mentioned in this thread. 

[SHAQATTACK]

WOuld DA work a deal that would bring us BYNUM and Howard to LA.   That would be a AAAA STAR game to watch what a rating that would get on TV...the hate factor would be off the charts....

[goCeltics]

ainge would do that in a millisecond, he would also add in suggs and bradley in the deal plus 2 first. No way the magic would do it, cos they wanna dump salary and because the c's are against the apron so no way they can take junk back from orlando other than maybe duhon or richardson

However once the howard deal sorts itself out i think the lakers are going to want to dump gasol and get a perimeter guy, like igu. The lakers are in luxury tax hell next year, and if igu opts out and they offer him a g wallace type of deal where he gets around 10 mill, they will save the lakers a boat load of money in terms of tax, and probably get a better fit of a player in terms of having someone to put on durrant/lebron and also space the floor.

If philly refuses to trade igu, think the lakers might be interested in a pierce gasol swap. Pierce has that opt out which makes him a valuable trade chip to a tax paying team, and the lakers were rumored to be interested a pierce gasol swap before.


If you don't think gasol is on the market, kobie just stated that as long as his a laker he wants gasol on the team, talk about a kiss of death. 

[kp4000]

With so many young players like Melo, Sullinger and Bradley, plus future draft picks, and a matching salary piece in Pierce, what would be an acceptable price to gamble on Howard without an agreed-upon extension? Celts are loaded with assets.
The rookie contracts can't be traded immediately, but they can at some point. 30 days?
Or is Pierce untouchable?

If I was the Orlando GM and u purposed this trade idea to me I would laugh right in your face. 

[samjones]

In the end, it's all relative. It's not about a great offer, but about the best offer. Who's going to make an offer that provides the best foundation for Orlando to start over? If they were planning to compete immediately, would they have let Ryan Anderson go? Their roster is a mess. Without Dwight, they have no chance of competing. Orlando may have to take the best of a group of mediocre offers.

I agree that if Bynum agreed to an extension of his contract and a trade to Orlando, that that trade trumps all. But what's Bynum's incentive to sign and leave L.A.? Would you trade Howard for a one-year rental of Bynum if you were Orlando, knowing that Dallas has a lot of cap space next summer?

Once that L.A. scenario is eliminated, where to you see a superior offer coming from during the summertime? Can Orlando afford to wait for December 15th? If they can wait, then their options may expand and the Celtics' hand weaken.

Do you think Houston's assets are superior, or Orlando wants a huge trade exception as the outcome of this trade?  How many teams want to take the risk of trading for Howard without a signed extension? Who else will join in the bidding this summer besides the L.A Lakers and Houston? Will Minnesota offer Rubio and Love? Will the Clippers offer Paul and Griffin? Will NY offer Chandler and Anthony? Will Miami offer Wade and Bosh? How many teams have the confidence that once Howard arrives, he'll sign a contract extension with them rather than bolting for Dallas in the summer? Howard knows that Dallas is there as a last resort next summer if he can't get Brooklyn or L.A.

Seems like the pool of contenders is narrowed to the two L.A. teams, the two NY teams, and Houston. Boston and Miami are the only other teams I can imagine with the confidence to bid.

[SHAQATTACK]

yea buddy ...I can see Howard signing an extension in Minn.. .......it would serve right if he was landed there

heck....it would be like landing on the moon..

[TripleOT]

Howard's actions are determining his trade value.  If he says he won't sign an extension with certain teams, his value to those teams lessens considerably.

I'm guessing he will be traded right before training camp to the Lakers.  The Magic will be forced to either take Bynum and hope to re-sign him, or a pu pu platter from the Rockets, who will take the gamble on Bynum re-signing in Houston.   

[relja]

So basically we give one of the greatest players of the past decade and valuable rookie prospects for a one year rent of Dwight just so he can whine about going to Miami because all gives a [dang] about is nightlife and money?

No thanks.
That drama queen doesn't even deserve to play.

[crimson_stallion]

Yeah, lets just give up our franchise player, a potential future defensive stud and some other bits and pieces to get a guy who will screw with management, get Doc fired, make half our team feel like leaving, and then miss half the season with back problems (while missing the other half with suspensions and foul trouble).

Or on second thoughts, lets not!